I am a Democrat for RKBA

[Waywatcher]

There are anti gun republicans.

There are pro gun Democrats.

Pigeonholing people into parties and then judging them is going to result in unfavorable results for gun owners; there aren't enough pro gun republicans, let alone republicans, to establish a majority in the senate or take the presidency. The only way republicans got the House was through gerrymandering; house Democrats nationwide received more votes than house republicans, all tallied.

We, as gun owners, need to be a bipartisan group, or we will surely lose.

*I think it is easy for people to forget Romney's AWB history, he's no friend of RKBA either.

 

[GiorgioG]

I'm not sure how anyone can be proud to be a member of either party here. The fact is neither party gives a crap about this country's long term future - all they care about is the next sound bite they can use in the next election and fundraising.

Don't believe it? Republicans doubled the national debt from 2000-2008...and Democrats are poised to do the same. So much for being the fiscally conservative party (no, 9/11 is not an excuse IMO.) Think they'll continue to back the 2nd amendment in the long run? I think that's delusional - the more concentrated urban population centers get (historically democratic), the more marginalized the pro-gun voters get...all you have to do is look at NY as a prime example...The state senate "republicans" rolled over....why? Because ultimately NYC has a 2:1 population ratio with the rest of the state (who are very much pro-gun.)

Republicans have to "reinvent" themselves for 2014-2016 (it's always about the next election), they won't turn their backs completely as they still want keep our votes...but you'll see them give in on things like universal background checks...not because they can't stop it (they can in the House.), but because all they care about is getting re-elected. That's the bottom line - every single decision, vote these politicians make is with an eye towards the next election.

As such, I have no party affiliation, because they both suck.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

I am in fact , in most cases, a single issue voter for RKBA. That isn't to say that I'd vote for someone with a platform in opposition to my beliefs in other respects. The 2nd *is* the big acid test for me.



To hm: as I remind my older family members; I didn't leave the Democratic Party ~ it left me. Never forget to remind fellow Dems that President Kennedy was a proud NRA Life-Member.

 

[radiotom]

I'm not sure how anyone can be proud to be a member of either party here. The fact is neither party gives a crap about this country's long term future - all they care about is the next sound bite they can use in the next election and fundraising.

Don't believe it? Republicans doubled the national debt from 2000-2008...and Democrats are poised to do the same. So much for being the fiscally conservative party (no, 9/11 is not an excuse IMO.) Think they'll continue to back the 2nd amendment in the long run? I think that's delusional - the more concentrated urban population centers get (historically democratic), the more marginalized the pro-gun voters get...all you have to do is look at NY as a prime example...The state senate "republicans" rolled over....why? Because ultimately NYC has a 2:1 population ratio with the rest of the state (who are very much pro-gun.)

Republicans have to "reinvent" themselves for 2014-2016 (it's always about the next election), they won't turn their backs completely as they still want keep our votes...but you'll see them give in on things like universal background checks...not because they can't stop it (they can in the House.), but because all they care about is getting re-elected. That's the bottom line - every single decision, vote these politicians make is with an eye towards the next election.

As such, I have no party affiliation, because they both suck.

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[TheGrimReaper]

With all due respect, voting for someone that is openly anti-gun is not the best way to support the 2A. At this point, we all sink or swim together since you and the majority voted for this man. I did not. The only sure way is to not vote for those who are openly antigun. Sorry, but are you trying to pick a fight with those of another political persuasion? Not a THR post at all. You are not off to a good start convincing me or anyone from your tone.




Very well said Sir!

 

[Bovice]

You voted for Obama?

Then the tax increases and attacks on our rights are partially your fault. You cannot stand for what we believe in and vote how you did.

 

[SaxonPig]

The problem is that the platform of the Democrat Party, their official position, is disarmament of the citizens. The official position of the Democrat Party is to destroy the 2A. This is not arguable, it's what their platform committee has voted on and issued every election year for a long time. IMO if you ID yourself as a Democrat it's hard to distance yourself from the party's goals.

Same with Republicans, of course. This is why I call myself unaffiliated. I don't agree completely with either party.

 

[akv3g4n]

I'm independent as neither party seems to be able to support civil liberties across the board. It really bothers me.
I think that as defenders of the RKBA we really need to work hard to embrace non traditional gun owners though. There are plenty of women, LGBTs, minorities and others that can feel that they are not welcome in the club even though they enjoy shooting and feel strongly about the second amendment. The more diverse that we can make our movement, the better chance we have of securing our rights in the future. JMHO.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

You can be pro-gun and an Obama voter.

It's obvious what most here think of the wisdom of that choice, so I'm not sure if I would recommend admitting it.

But the logic is very simple: If gun rights are your most important voting issue, voting for Obama was a foolish thing to do. But if you have a lot of other issues you think are more important, and you agree with Obama on those, then it only makes sense to vote for the person with whom you agree the most, if you vote at all.

 

[mbt2001]

I'm independent as neither party seems to be able to support civil liberties across the board. It really bothers me.
I think that as defenders of the RKBA we really need to work hard to embrace non traditional gun owners though. There are plenty of women, LGBTs, minorities and others that can feel that they are not welcome in the club even though they enjoy shooting and feel strongly about the second amendment. The more diverse that we can make our movement, the better chance we have of securing our rights in the future. JMHO.

Amen...

 

[Cesiumsponge]

Sorry, but most presidents including Republicans in my lifetime have passed stricter gun laws. Both parties are guilty. Don't forget to point at your own party while you're busy ridiculing the opposing party.

Neither party is a friend of freedom. Both have made strides in different areas to curb freedoms outside of second amendment issues. You're fooled if you think you're "on the right team".

 

[ol' scratch]

I vote for Democrats, Republicans and Libertarians. The single most important issue for me is the 2nd amendment. There are pro 2nd Democrat politicians. I vote in every election and I keep track of my politicians.

I did not vote for Obama or Romney. They both supported gun control at various points. I voted for a third party. I will not vote for any politician who supports an AWB.

One thing I have said to many people regarding gun control is that if gun control isn't political suicide, why did Obama wait until his second term to unveil it? Politicians are smart. They realise that too.

 

[Vonderek]

I guess I have learned from this thread that there are differing degrees of "pro-gun". Those who think they can vote in anti-2A politicians because they agree with them on other issues are not "pro-gun" in my book and should be prepared for the consequences of their vote as those in the UK and elsewhere who did likewise. And should accept responsibility for their complicity.

 

[JFrame]

Just read the 2012 Party Platforms of the respective parties regarding the Second Amendment:

Democrat Party Platform

We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements--like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole--so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.

GOP Platform

We uphold the right of individuals to keep and bear arms, a right which antedated the Constitution and was solemnly confirmed by the Second Amendment. We acknowledge, support, and defend the law-abiding citizen’s God-given right of self-defense. We call for the protection of such fundamental individual rights recognized in the Supreme Court’s decisions in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago affirming that right, and we recognize the individual responsibility to safely use and store firearms. This also includes the right to obtain and store ammunition without registration. We support the fundamental right to self-defense wherever a law-abiding citizen has a legal right to be, and we support federal legislation that would expand the exercise of that right by allowing those with state-issued carry permits to carry firearms in any state that issues such permits to its own residents. Gun ownership is responsible citizenship, enabling Americans to defend their homes and communities. We condemn frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers and oppose federal licensing or registration of law-abiding gun owners. We oppose legislation that is intended to restrict our Second Amendment rights by limiting the capacity of clips or magazines or otherwise restoring the ill-considered Clinton gun ban. We condemn the reckless actions associated with the operation known as “Fast and Furious,” conducted by the Department of Justice, which resulted in the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol Agent and others on both sides of the border. We applaud the Members of the U.S. House of Representatives in holding the current Administration’s Attorney General in contempt of Congress for his refusal to cooperate with their investigation into that debacle. We oppose the improper collection of firearms sales information in the four southern border states, which was imposed without congressional authority.

Individuals within the respective parties may vary on their opinions. But when taken collectively, as a PARTY, as to which direction to take the Second Amendment (and I would argue the Constitution in general), there is no doubt that the Democrat Party is committed to weakening those rights.


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[Arkansas Paul]

I'm sick and *censored* tired of the *censored* damned Liberal bashing based on a single issue when you really have a problem with ALL Liberal issues.

Actually, this is a blanket statement that in many cases, mine included, is just outright false.
I am very fiscally conservative. I am very socially liberal.
I am against entitlement programs, a lifetime culture of welfare, and too much money going to foreign aid.
At the same time, I am for gay rights, and basically the government staying out of people's personal lives altogether, as long as they're not infringing on anyone else's.

When it comes time to vote however, yes, my main focus is on the 2A.

You say you voted for Obama and then said you are concerned about your gun rights.
Sorry, but you created this problem, you shouldn't get to complain about it at all.
It would be like letting a fox live in your henhouse and then expressing concern for your chickens.

 

[JustinJ]

Unless one voted for Gary Johnson they really have no right criticizing anybodies else's presidential vote regarding gun rights.

 

[fallout mike]

Hm also voted for him bc he was going to end the wars. We have since sent troops into several other countries. Is there any reason you voted for him that he has actually accomplished? Besides not having a budget, running up the highest deficit in the history of the world, apologizing to every nation in the world for us evil americans, bowing down to every leader of every country he meets, signing the ndaa, unleashing 10,000 drones on the US citizens, this RKBA thing , fast and furious, just off the top of my head. And most of this was from the first term. Oh, and he hasn't gotten approval from congress for getting us involved in all these other skirmishes bc he says he doesn't have to bc he takes his orders from from the UN. So, apparently you were for all these things bc you voted for him again. All sounds perfectly logical to me.

 

[bainter1212]

I am a pro gun liberal. I voted for Obama the first time around, neither of the clowns the second time around. Seems that most of you are outright attacking the OP, basically saying "you're with us or you're against us". This is fallacious and illogical. Plus, what do you expect us liberals to do??? Vote for a party that thought it was OK to go to war for NO REASON????? Who thinks that legislation like the Patriot Act is somehow OK? That thinks killing americans overseas without a trial is perfectly acceptable????? That thinks telling women what to do with their bodies is somehow in accordance with "respecting individual rights"??? How about wanting to deport successful college graduates, who happen to have been brought here illegally when they were four???
While I love the Bill of Rights, the truth is the Bush administration was so abusive of their power that it pushed me WAY to the left for a very, very long time. Also, as an intellectual, the anti-intellectualism that blares from loudspeakers from the Right makes me sick to my stomach. Am I an "elitist" because I read books??? If you want pro gun liberals to switch over and vote Republican, it's a bit late. You have only yourselves to blame for that one. I will continue to vote liberal for the COUNTLESS other reasons that exist. I will continue to write my legislators asking them to respect the RKBA.
Rant over, sorry for being long winded.

 

[Robert]

Remember, we are a firearms website. Any discussion other than one focused on firearms and the RKBA are off topic and could lead to posts being deleted and the thread being locked.

 

[fallout mike]

Arkansas Paul, are you saying you are against us borrowing money from china, and then we give foreign aid to them. So, in essence, we borrow from them to give it to them, plus we have to pay back the loan to them plus interest. That sounds like a nice system to me.

 

[JShirley]

ubduly curtail

right

Cognitive dissonance. At the same time, it is annoying, tiresome, and really just stupid to frequently read posts from Christians who don't understand separating church and state, who are willing to support the rights of everyone- except those they disagree with, who automatically assume everyone here is just like them. That's not only mentally unrigorous, it shows a willingness to trample on some rights in the name of ideology.

John

 

[fallout mike]

Im not sure we are attacking the op. Just his reason for voting for him. Which his viewshas been known since before he ever ran the first time.

 

[feedthehogs]

OP,
Leave the koolaid brainwashing to sites like DU.

Leaving all other candidates aside, you voted for a guy going back to his community activism days of being anti gun and carried that thru to his reign as president. You can not convince a studied 2nd amendment supporter that voting for him and saying you support firearms is nothing but a big fat oxymoron.

Voting comes not down to gay issues, abortion issues, economy issues, union issues, etc.

It comes down to one thing and one thing only. Which candidate is going to uphold the constitution and bill of rights and not abuse and ignore them.

The rest of the issues are fodder for bored individuals looking to stomp on other peoples rights.

 

[JFtheGR8]

OP,
Leave the koolaid brainwashing to sites like DU.

Leaving all other candidates aside, you voted for a guy going back to his community activism days of being anti gun and carried that thru to his reign as president. You can not convince a studied 2nd amendment supporter that voting for him and saying you support firearms is nothing but a big fat oxymoron.

Voting comes not down to gay issues, abortion issues, economy issues, union issues, etc.

It comes down to one thing and one thing only. Which candidate is going to uphold the constitution and bill of rights and not abuse and ignore them.

The rest of the issues are fodder for bored individuals looking to stomp on other peoples rights.

Well said. I have nothing to add to that.


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[sarge83]

Without the 2nd Amendment the other amendments have no teeth. In the past you could count on the courts, media, congress or the executive branch to oppose any usurpation of our basic Rights now all are in bed to strip us of those Rights. The 2nd Amendment is the last line of defense. When it falls the others are low hanging fruit ripe to be picked by tyrants of either party when ever another Sandy Hook like event occurs. If the 2Nd Amendment dies then just wait for some terrorist event where the Internet was used and the lock down to occur. After all if it saves just one life we need to throw away all our freedoms, right...

As for the original post I know a few Democrats/liberals who claim to support gun Rights but vote for those who would take those Rights away. Sort of like cutting off your nose despite your face. No need to argue with them other, it is a waste of your time and theirs.