"I am the only one in this room........"

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"Local sheriff's department had an incident where a lab tech accdentally fired about 8 rounds out of a Tec-9. While loading for ballistics testing, the tech couldn't get the mag to seat properly, so he smacked the bottom of the mag on the bench. This caused the upper to slightly seperate from the lower, far enough to (1) release the bolt forward and (2)cause the striker to miss the trigger transfer bar and slam forward from inertia, all fo which resulted in the gun going full auto for the seven roudns in the magazine."

And, you don't think that was just a little stupid?
 
Back in the days of Usenet, Fidonet and WWIVnet, there was one genius who proclaimed that the lead round nose was the best bullet to use in single action revolvers.

When pressed, he admitted that he'd been practicing his quick draw, and managed to shoot himself in the leg.

On two separate occasions.

"If it'd been hollowpoints, I could have been hurt a lot worse!"

Attempts at an intervention via logic as to the intelligence of playing quickdraw with a loaded revolver failed miserably. I've always wondered (a) if he managed to lose round #3; and (b) if it may have hit something vital...
 
FOX NEWS: UT police chief shoots self in ankle...

www.foxnews.com

I read over a news report on Fox that a small town PD chief shot himself in the ankle with an unknown firearm. :uhoh:

The item states the chief was "teaching a class" and shot his weapon off.

Just another example of careless/reckless conduct with firearms...:rolleyes:

Rusty
 
Yep. Let's make fun of cops. They're the only ones who ever messed up with a firearm. Hey, let's laugh at his potential career-ending injury too. How about we laugh at the fact that since it's a small town, he probably doesn't get paid too much and the medical bills this guy has to pay too.
 
That was step one in the negligence that lead to him shooting himself.
Yes it probably was indeed, and it is one of the cardinal rules of gun safety overlooked by the sillly "4 Rules" of gun safety - the one about making sure you always use the correct ammunition. Dummy ammunition would have been the appropriate type to use, or so it seems.
 
Is there any evidence the officer said anything along the lines of "I am the only one in this room...", or are we just assuming that because he is a police officer, he must feel that he is better than us, and him having a ND is some sort of comeupance?
 
Yep. Let's make fun of cops. They're the only ones who ever messed up with a firearm. Hey, let's laugh at his potential career-ending injury too. How about we laugh at the fact that since it's a small town, he probably doesn't get paid too much and the medical bills this guy has to pay too.
 
Sorry I should have read the posts before you. Carry on. This is however another example of complacancy becoming very painful and embarrasing.
 
One of the dirty little secrets of our chosen sport is that if you are at it long enough you either have had, or are likely to have an ND, or to be politic, an accidental discharge.
The only thing between us and disaster is strict adherence to the four"main rules". Makes no difference if you are a Police Chief or teenage hunter,gun accidents are no respecter of persons.
Stay safe,
FF
 
its a good thing that police department uses the .40 Short&weak and not the 10mm or that poor gent would be missing a leg and declaring a new fault line under that police station ;)
 
More info. http://www.sltrib.com/ci_9169511

This incident is very sad. The witnesses who say the chief was acting irresponsibly with the weapon were in the concealed carry class. Presumably some were gunnies, without an axe to grind. If they say he was muzzle sweeping the class, etc. I tend to believe them. I think the Chief needs to be be disciplined fairly strongly for this.

It just goes to show that even among LEOs, there are plenty of buffoons.
 
even among LEOs, there are plenty of buffoons.

Indeed! Those critters are everywhere...but you don't have to be one to have an unintentional discharge. All it takes is split second of complacency or failing to maintain your focus.

Once, when I roared up to a friend's house to show him my new scooter...his wise father spoke to me:

"When you get to the point that you're not afraid of it any more...it's time to get rid of it."

Might be worth mentioning that he lost a leg from the knee down in a motorcycle wreck about 20 years prior...

If you lose that fine edge of nervousness when you're handling a gun...it might be best to step back and reevaluate...because just about the time you THINK you're so skilled or experienced that it can't happen to you...BANG!
 
Updated Details

http://www.standard.net/live/news/132317/


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RIVERDALE -- Witnesses to Police Chief Dave Hansen's self-inflicted gunshot wound accuse officials of trying to cover up for the chief through the official version of events released to the news media.

Two West Haven residents attending the concealed weapons permit class Hansen taught Saturday told the Standard-Examiner on Monday that Hansen was extremely careless while handling the loaded Glock 40 pistol before the shooting.

They said police responding to the incident ignored the dozen people at the class until hours later, not even asking if anyone else had been hit by a bullet or shrapnel.

"It's all a bunch of lies, and they're trying to cover up what really happened," said Lewis Walker, who attended the class with his wife and friends.

"The chief's brother (state Rep. Neil Hansen, D-Ogden) was just on TV saying the chief was showing us how to clear a weapon when the gun went off, but that's bull.

"The chief said he was going to show us the rifling in the barrel of the gun, and he was pointing it around at all of us in the class. He was trying to disassemble the gun under the table when it went off.

"Nobody thought anything about the gun being loaded. We were told the gun is the chief's personal sidearm, but it looked to me like he didn't know anything about the gun.

"When the gun went off, we thought it must have been a blank he was using to impress us, but then he hollered, 'I'm hit,' and he fell over and told us to call 911."

Walker said Hansen then placed the smoking gun on the table in front of him with several other guns. Walker, fearing having a loaded gun unattended, said he put the weapon in the hallway outside the room while confusion reigned in the library, where the class was being taught.

Walker's neighbor, Bart Ulm, said he was in the rest-room when the gun discharged, but Hansen's actions before then had made him very nervous, including when Hansen said the Glock sidearms are used by police and military personnel because they don't have a safety mechanism to keep the gun from being fired accidentally.

"He said he was going to show us the rifling in the barrel, but then he pulled out a full magazine and a round from the chamber," Ulm said. "Right then, I was very leery, because there's no need to have live ammo in a gun in the class, but I figured he's the chief, so he must know what he's doing.

"I never saw him put the clip or the bullet back in the gun, but there was a gentleman in front of me blocking my view, so that's when it could have happened.

"I went to the bathroom, and that's when I heard the gunshot and people screaming, 'Officer down, officer down.' I went back to the room and called 911. There had been a dozen people in the room when I went to the bathroom, but some of them were already gone by the time I got back. Nobody told anyone they had to stay. Nobody asked if anyone else was hurt.

"In fact, when police officers came to the room, they told me to leave. The EMTs wouldn't come into the room until the police officers got there," Ulm said. "I told one of the first officers who responded that the gun had been placed in the hallway and he should secure it, but he looked at me like who was I to tell him how to do his job?

"In fact, the officer was joking with the chief, telling him, instead of shooting himself, he should have used the Taser."

Walker said he and other witnesses left the police station shortly after the 10:30 a.m. shooting without having been interviewed by police.

He said he was contacted around 5 p.m. by Sgt. Kevin Fuller. When Walker asked Fuller about the time lapse between the incident and the interview, Fuller responded, "That's the way we deal with it," Walker said.

"I think Riverdale police are just trying to keep this quiet and act like the chief is a hero, but if you ask me, he's really stupid," Walker said. "His state certification to teach concealed weapons classes should be taken away from him. This was totally gross negligence."

Police Sgt. Karen McIntosh said all officers were instructed Monday morning to refer questions to City Attorney Steve Brooks.

Monday evening, Mayor Bruce Barrows chastised the Standard-Examiner for what he said was a reporter's "unprofessional behavior" on Saturday when police would not release information after the shooting.

When informed that the official version of events on Saturday was being challenged by eyewitnesses, Burrows said Hansen deserved the privacy guaranteed by a federal law and that no further comment would be made until the department's internal investigation was completed.

Police Lt. James Ebert said earlier Monday that Hansen, 54, was recovering from the shooting and had been released from the hospital. He did not know when the chief would return to duty.

Hansen has been with the department since 1985, according to the department's Web site, www.riverdalecity.com.

"One of the first things the chief told us in the class was that you treat every weapon as though it's loaded," Ulm said. "When he was waving that pistol around, we didn't know it was loaded, but he could have hit someone in that class.

"I don't care how long someone has been a cop, or how long they've been handling weapons. As a weapon handler, you need to use caution."
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(I posted the full text because articles quickly disappear or become unavailable on the Standard's website)
 
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I will send abuse to ANYONE who handles a firearm carelessly. THE SOLDIERS IN MY SQUAD certainly don't get a pass, and neither do cops.

Showing them the rifling? Any reason why this would be necessary in THIS class escapes me. And Impact Guns is two exits up the freeway. They have redguns for sale.
 
Pretty amazing how the original report totally whitewashes the incident according to the second report. How would you have a jammed round if it was a classroom training event?
 
Yes it probably was indeed, and it is one of the cardinal rules of gun safety overlooked by the sillly "4 Rules" of gun safety...

Calling the '4 rules' silly is a little irresponsible. granted there are other 'rules' which could be followed that would make you even more safe but simplicity is key. Start adding more rules & people won't remember or care to follow them all. The '4 rules' are the basic things that if followed at all (reasonable) times will keep you & everyone else around you safe.

These rules don't prevent ND's from happening, they only prevent injury from one if it does occur.

Yep. Let's make fun of cops. They're the only ones who ever messed up with a firearm. Hey, let's laugh at his potential career-ending injury too. How about we laugh at the fact that since it's a small town, he probably doesn't get paid too much and the medical bills this guy has to pay too.

I seriously doubt that (most) people here are making fun of him 'just' because he is a cop. (However, it's easy to forgive those that do to some degree because of the arrogance of some in the LE field that 'mere civilians' aren't qualified to carry.) If the attitude is that ANYONE should get a pass after having a NEGLIGENT discharge it will weaken the social stigma attached to such events. "I'm really sorry that I killed him but but it wasn't my fault. Just like the last time..."

I hope that if that ever happens to me that others will use me as an example of how being NEGLIGENT & not following the '4 rules' caused it to happen.
 
Doing a demonstration with a live round is not only stupid, but dangerous as you all can see! Why wasn't he demonstratiing with a snap cap at the very least?
 
"An unfortunate accident that could have been a lot worse."


It was not an accident. It was an act of irresponsible negligence. He should be glad that the bullet hit him instead of a member of his class.

BTW: The "chief" is the brother of a Utah politician.
 
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