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Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by sonny, Dec 31, 2002.

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  1. sonny

    sonny Member

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    I dare anyone to rank "common" handgun cartriges in the order that they would least like to be "shot" with.
    Yea,....I know nobody wants to get shot but the purpose of this exersise is to make people commit to their "stopping power " beliefs in a open forum.
    For the sake of the exersise let's not make shot placement an issue......or for that matter please don't include "super bullets" or anything that would tip the scales in an unfair way.In other words please "generalize"

    #1 .50
    #2 .38
    #3 .22

    Get it?.....I look foward to some of the debates on members choices......The longer the list the better .....Feel free to make comments or notes when your list is done......If this goes over well maybe I'll try it in the rifle forum.

    Well.....Rank-em! :ar15:
     
  2. Wil Terry

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    Well sonny...I have taken hits from a 22 Short, a 12Guage

    shotgun, and a 45 automatic, and I'm still here ugly and sweet as ever.
    None of it was any fun at all and all hurt equally.
    Lists such as you solicit are a waste of time and space on a website.
     
  3. 91101

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    OK I'll play :D

    1. .454 Casull
    2. .50 AE
    3. .45 ACP
    4. .44 Mag
    5. 10mm
    6. .357 Mag
    7. .40 S&W
    8. .38 spc
    9. 9mm
    10. .380
    11. .22 lr
    12. .25 ACP

    I know there are others that fit in the middle of that list (like the .41 mag) but ya just don't see alot of them out there.

    Save for a few exceptions I follow the "bigger hole" theory...
     
  4. sonny

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    Will Terry.........I said,

    Yea,....I know nobody wants to get shot but the purpose of this exersise is to make people commit to their "stopping power " beliefs in a open forum.

    Everyone's got an opinion,You have made your's clear,If you don't want to contribute .... you don't have to...But I wonder ...do you think I am suggesting in some sort of way that getting shot is "fun"?....Do you think the way I posed the question in not in good taste?.....I think you may be taking it a little to seriously...Sorry if you got offended.
     
  5. krept

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    I hereby swear that I wouldn't want to be shot with a .22 LR, but I won't choose carry one for defense and I don't think it's a great stopper.

    I would rather be shot by the smaller, slower bullet than the heavier, faster ones.
     
  6. Mike Irwin

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    .357 Mag.
    .44 Mag.
    .45 Colt/.45 ACP
    all others...
     
  7. 91101

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    Wil, I totally disagree with this statement:

    "Lists such as you solicit are a waste of time and space on a website."

    Sonny said:

    "the purpose of this exersise is to make people commit to their "stopping power " beliefs in a open forum."

    What's a waste of time about that?

    Michael
     
  8. tlhelmer

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    All of them!:rolleyes:
     
  9. sonny

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    I wonder why firearm owners feel that is almost "TABOO" to rank stopping power....sure alot of it is debatable...but so what.
    It is pretty much understood that there is no one right answer but I often learn something new in stopping power debates ....maybe not something that would make a big difference in real life ...but some of these debates take on lives of there own which I sometimes enjoy.
     
  10. Shaughn Leayme

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    Any of them is my opinion.

    A 45 hurts just as much as a 38 which equally hurts just as much as a 22 and any and all can kill you dead and there isn't no degree of dead ....just dead.

    Rating them as far as effectiveness/usefulness that is different all together and would give one a more realistic view than that you would get by asking which you do not want to get shot with.

    No flame or attack intended, just the way I see it.
     
  11. sonny

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    O.K ......Let me pick apart my own post so I can prove my wisdom.

    #1,,,It is not polite to dare people...you are new on this forum and you will not make any friends here by"daring people"

    #2...Nobody WANTS to get shot ...It is in bad taste to even say that.

    #3...asking people to state their beliefs is a very personal subject it is borderlile offensive.

    #4...Shot placement IS an issue how could you ask us to not consider it.

    #5...Why can't we include "super bullets"? if they are availlable they should be cosidered as well.

    #6...Generalizing is dangerous it could make the difference in a life or death situation.

    #7...You are wasting space on this board....we need more room for .....mall ninja ...posts...and whatnot.

    Did I miss anything?
     
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  12. priv8ter

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    I'll play

    In the interest of fun, I guess I'll play along:

    .44 Mag
    10mm
    .45 ACP
    .41 Mag
    .357 Mag
    .40 S&W
    .357 SIG
    9X19
    9X18
    .38 Special
    .32 H&R Mag
    9X17
    .32 NAA
    .32 ACP
    .22 Mag
    .22 LR
    .25 ACP

    As far as this thread being a waste, if you look back on TFL, about 90% of what we did was repeated on a cyclic basis...most of our threads were rehashes of the same old arguments. That's what makes it fun, is seeing everyone's opinion.

    Hope everyone has a great New Years.
     
  13. Correia

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    Nobody is a waste of space on THR. Yet. :)

    I'll rank them:

    1. Anything held by Rob Leatham or other master class shooter.
    2. Anything held by a dedicated handgunner who practices a lot.
    3. Anything held by somebody competant.
    4. Anything held by the incompetant but lucky.
    5. Anything held by the incompetant and clumsy.
    6. A pointy stick.
    7. A sharp rock.
    8. A Lorcin.
     
  14. 91101

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    Sonny,
    Don't be so hard on yourself.... If you would have titled the thread "Make a list of your favorite calibers in order" it would have gotten under SOMEONE's skin...:banghead:
     
  15. sonny

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    Correia,
    You're #4 choice is sad but true....It seems that it is probably the most dangerous threat of all in reality.

    91101,
    I am starting to get the picture,and you have my word that in the future you will not find me being critical and looking to find cracks in a well intentioned Highroaders armour so I can come off as some sort of seasoned expert.
    UNLESS :evil: ......I find myself in a good debate!:)
     
  16. 10-Ring

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    Bad enough getting hit by flying HOT brass at the range. I DON'T WANNA be shot with any caliber! :ar15: :neener:
     
  17. Diesle

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    Im not offended. If you ask a question that is too 'personal' for me to feel comfertable to respond to, I likely wont respond.

    I will not attempt to socialize you by suggesting what is and is not 'appropriate material for this site. Ill leave that sort of Godliness to our good moderators. ;)

    That said,

    Hot .454 seems like the last thing i would like to feel inside me.

    But really, I dont even want a pellet breaking layer 1 of my skin...

    Diesle
     
  18. seeker_two

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    1. all firearm ammunition
    2. all bow/crossbow ammunition
    3. all pellet gun ammunition
    4. all BB gun ammunition
    5. all rubber band gun ammunition

    honorable mention goes to shrapnel & thrown blades (somewhere b/t # 1 & #3)
     
  19. Pendragon

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    Funny, stopping power is not somthing I ever think about.

    I own a .45 and a couple of .38s

    I consider the .45 to be more powerful than the .38s, but only because I can hit better with it.

    That said, I keep the .45 locked up and the .38s available because they are easier for my wife to use.

    I would not own anything less than a .38 spcl for social purposes and I believe that caliber is up to the job if I do my part.

    While I understand the intent behind the thread, I personally do not believe in the notion of "stopping power".

    Power is the ability to do work and in order for power to be compared, it must be measured and quantified.

    Stopping Power is a myth because the thing you are trying to stop is not a constant. People vary, their mental state, their chemical state, how much armor (clothing) they wear - it all varies.

    Additionally, almost all "stopping power" equations only deal with the elusive "one shot stop"

    I suppose a .454 Casull would be one of the best stoppers if you only get one shot. But what if you miss? (assuming the flash did not set the guy on fire). What if you have to engage multiple targets? I can probably deliver follow up shots much quicker with my semi-custom 1911 compared to most guns, but the above mentioned factors mean I will probably not bring it into play.

    I think if we are going to try and quantify such things, we need to take into account all the factors - such as:

    1. Effective rate of fire
    2. Effective accuracy (not the weapons inherent accuracy)
    3. Capacity
    4. Penetration
    5. Expansion
    6. Flash effects
    7. Flinch factor

    You could probably add a few more on there. I think we need to look at the whole picture. A woman who is uncomfortable with loud guns will probably have more "fight factor" with a Ruger .22 auto pistol than she would with a .40 or .45 pistol or especially a big bore revolver.

    Anyway, not trying to mess up your thread. I agree with Correia and his ranking system for the record.
     
  20. clown714

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    :rolleyes: i was shot with a BBgun:rolleyes:

    took out my front tooth:(

    anything bigger,or uses powder is too big for me:(

    clown
     
  21. Tamara

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    I submit that if anyone here thinks they could tell the difference between getting shot with a .38 and a .45 with their eyes closed, much less the type/weight/brand of bullet, then they've been reading too many Mack Bolan novels.
     
  22. Kevinch

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    Sorry - but I see this as being "list in order how pregnant you want to be".

    I don't want shot with anything, & I'll carry the biggest bullet in the most powerful load in the lightest weapon I can control.
     
  23. Rival

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    speed and penetration...

    Let me see... If you get shot in a vital area it does not really matter as long as the round can actually penetrate deep enough to hit such an area. In vital area case speed and penetration are of utmost importance (and very not desirable by YOU).

    HOWEVER if don't get hit in a vital place, speed and penetration is what you actually desire in order to stay alive. Just let that bullet leave it's hole and leave your buddy the hell alone.

    That is a contrudiction, so I can not possibly make such a list.
     
  24. stellarpod

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    Any caliber in the hands of my wife, who shoots circles around me everytime we go to the range.

    :D

    stellarpod
     
  25. KMKeller

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    The way I look at it, any and all will induce severe pain, something I have an extreme allergic reaction to....:impaled:
     
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