I frame for plinker?

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Trying to "move up" a small-handed relative that only likes .22s...

How good are the 1920s-30s .32 I-Frames? Are the DA triggers, etc. comparable to centerfire J-Frames? (Modern .22 S&W DA pulls are completely unusable for several of my friends). Can they use the same spring kits as J Frames? Are parts available?

I read once that Glaser had a 32 S&W Long loading, but I don't see it on the Cor-Bon site. Are there any other makers attempting to modernize this antique? I guess it's not hard to handload, maybe speed up a wadcutter a tad... or use one of the hollowpoints for .32 mag? (Keeping pressure below 14,500 or so, of course).

Where is a good link on I-Frames to get me to stop asking all these questions? Thanks for any help!
 
I'd look at a small framed .38 Special rather than a .32 -- like a Colt Police Positive. These are very nice little revolvers, and with powder-puff loads as easy to use as a .22. But they can take a real defense load if needed.

I would not go with a Glaser for defensive use -- they are too unpredictable, too lacking in penetration and too expensive to practice with.
 
How good are the 1920s-30s .32 I-Frames? Are the DA triggers, etc. comparable to centerfire J-Frames? (Modern .22 S&W DA pulls are completely unusable for several of my friends). Can they use the same spring kits as J Frames? Are parts available?

The I-frame is in effect a slightly shortened .38 J-frame, which succeeded it. Production of the .32 Hand Ejector, Model of 1903 started that year and continued until World War Two in 1942. Of course minor changes were made, the most important being the introduction of heat-treated cylinders in 1920 at serial number 321,000, and the addition of an improved hammer block in 1949 in a serial number range around 537,000.

All of these revolvers, and early post war production that resumed in 1949 had leaf rather then coil mainsprings. A leaf spring gives a better feeling double-action trigger pull, and is easier to cock in the single-action mode, but the action isn’t necessarily lighter because the spring was designed to reliably fire older primers that were less sensitive then most of those made today. In 1953 S&W changed to an “improved” I-frame that used a coil mainspring similar to that in a .38 J-frame, so spring kits can be used in improved I-frame revolvers (that don’t have a mainspring tension screw located at the bottom/frontstrap of the handle), but not in the older guns with the leaf mainspring (that do have the screw).

In 1961 S&W discontinued the improved I-frame and replaced it with the now well-known J-frame at serial number 712,954.

Because we have primers that are much better then those made during the early/middle 20th century one can slim the leaf mainspring a bit and go to a lighter rebound slide spring without having negative effects on reliability.

.22 rimfires – the .22 W.R.M. in particular – are harder to set off because of their construction, then modern center-fire primers. So because of this the little .22 revolvers of all makes have heavier springs (and D.A. trigger pulls) then their center fire counterparts.

I read once that Glaser had a 32 S&W Long loading, but I don't see it on the Cor-Bon site. Are there any other makers attempting to modernize this antique? I guess it's not hard to handload, maybe speed up a wadcutter a tad... or use one of the hollowpoints for .32 mag? (Keeping pressure below 14,500 or so, of course).

Handloading these cartridges is an excellent idea, because the factory fodder is both hard to find in some places, and expensive when you do. One set of dies can load both .32 S&W Long and .32 H&R Magnum. Most of the .312” bullets offered for loading .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R Magnum and even .32 ACP can be used in the .32 S&W Long cartridge. If you have a 1903 Hand Ejector numbered over 321,000 you can carefully increase the load a little bit. Factory stuff from the major makers is held down because of questionable quality top-break guns made by companies other then Smith & Wesson – who incidentally never cataloged a top-break in .32 S&W Long.

I don’t bother hot-dogging the cartridge though. It is far and away better then any .22 rimfire, and in my view, the .32 ACP as well. When used as a defensive weapon, the key is bullet placement – not brute force. The light recoil allows fast, accurate follow-up shots, and a modest shooter with a little practice can quickly put 5 or 6 shots into the head area of a silhouette target at 15 feet. This will do for government work.

Where is a good link on I-Frames to get me to stop asking all these questions? Thanks for any help!

Try www.armchairgunshow.com for both information and an honest source for these revolvers should you decide to buy one – or more. The older guns are usually found with 3 ¼ or 4 ¼” barrels although some had 6” lengths. Post war production is found in these lengths as well as 2, 4 and 6 inches. There is also a variant called the Regulation Police, which is different only in that it came with a square, rather then round butt.
 
Yes and no.... :confused:

Don't 'cha love a clear answer?:rolleyes:

The first J-frame revolver (model 36) used the same stocks as the improved I-frame (and for that matter earlier I-frame guns). But then S&W decided to legthen the J-frame stocks and frame about 1/8". All this occured around 1952 and the later/longer stocks don't interchange with the early/shorter ones. However I have on occasion been able to shorten the new style stocks to fit an I-frame - provided they aren't checkered or the checkering is high enough so the stock can be shortened. Also you occasionally may come across a set of stocks that were made for the older model 36.
 
Well yes and no... :uhoh:

There would be a 1/8" gap between the bottom of the frame and the inletting in the grips, but this could be filled, and a new hole drilled for the pin at the bottom of the frame, and then they'd work. I presume you have the kind of stocks in mind that cover the bottom and frontstrap of the frame.

I haven't had occasion to try this with rubber stocks, but I have altered S&W wood "target" grips without any problems.
 
telomerase:

It has occurred to me that your need might be better served by buying one of the S&W model 30-1 .32 Hand Ejectors that was built on the “long butt” J-frame after 1960. These were produced from 1961 through 1976 when the model 30 was discontinued. They will accommodate current J-frame stocks without alterations, and since they have coil mainsprings the popular spring kits made for the J-frame .38’s will work as well. They are found with 2, 3, 4 and 6 inch barrel lengths (6 inch is rare) in blue or nickel finish. Of course they were made from modern steel and had heat-treated cylinders – which is not always the case with pre-war guns, in particular those made before 1920. In addition they have the currently used improved hammer block that insures the gun is safe even if fully loaded.
 
Hi Fuff, I currently have a model 43 in .22lr, the litterature with it calls it an airweight kit gun. I thought that it was an improved I frame, when I compared it to my model 36, the cylinder is noticably shorter. Mine was made in 1973 which IIRC was the last year that they made the 43.
Any info you can give on this revolver would be great. BTW mine has a coil spring, and a 3.5 inch barrel and adjustible sights. IIRC the blue book doesnt even list it as a seperate model.

Thanks
 
It has occurred to me that your need might be better served by buying one of the S&W model 30-1 .32 Hand Ejectors that was built on the “long butt” J-frame after 1960. These were produced from 1961 through 1976 when the model 30 was discontinued.

But they're 1/8" longer! OK, seriously, sounds like a much more practical idea. Thanks!

PS what's the best rustproof aftermarket finish for one of these non-stainless wonders?
 
when I compared it to my model 36, the cylinder is noticably shorter.
Cylinder length doesn't matter. That will be different for different calibers.
It's the cylinder window in the frame that differentiates the I-frame from the J-frame.
The J-frame window is longer in order to accomodate the longer .38 Special cylinder.

In the .22 Rimfire chamberings the cylinder will be shorter and the barrel shank will be longer.
If the .22 cylinder was made as long as a .38 cylinder there would be excessively long throats that would play havoc with your accuracy.
 
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