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Does anyone have a S&W M66 and a Ruger SP101 that they can picture together? I've been reading through a lot of forums and websites and found that the S&W 66 really isn't that much larger than the SP101. I'm looking for snubbies, 2.5 or less. I'm only checking into these two type revolvers, so please don't post about other models. Thanks in advance for all pertinent replies.
 
The manufacturers should post the specs on their respective web sites. I have a 4" and 2.5 " 66 and have handled an SP101. I would expect the 5 shot Ruger to be shorter in length, shorter in height and not as wide as the 6 shot K-Frame Smith. I feel both are easy to conceal and it would depend on just how you want to carry it. A strong side IWB holster of good quality would fit the bill. The 3" 65/13, RB is nice if you don't desire adjust. sights.
 
I know that they post their specs, but it really isn't the same as seeing two firearms side-by-side. Actually, from what I hear, the 66 K-Frame isn't made anymore. At one time I had one in 4 inch configuration, but unfortunately had to sell it. Now I'm considering another in the 2.5 inch configuration. Only because I was considering a Ruger SP101. Many posts here on this forum say that if you go for the SP, you might as well go for the 66 and grab the extra round because they are not much larger. And yes I know that the 66 isn't made for a steady diet of .357. Not a problem since the .357 was only going to be an occasional round anyways. I have a 686 for that heavy shooting. The Ruger Security-Six would be a good choice, but all the ones on the auction sites are 4 inch. Were those ever made in shorter barrels? All input is appreciated.
 
I dont have the SP101(and have had many chances to buy) because of the very reason you mention, the 66/16 is not much bigger(and I am a S&W guy), if I want a 5 shot 357, the 640 is the way to go for me.

yes Ruger made the SS in 2.5" or 3"(maybe)
 
The SP101 is a little more comfy and a little easier to carry IWB with less grip profile to print under a T shirt. The 66 allows one more round at the expense of about 5 ounces more weight.

Here's a SP101 vs Taurus M66 blued 3" which is identical in size and weight to a K frame. It's a square butt. A round butt K frame would be more compact in the grip area. It conceals under a loose T shirt okay, but the SP101 is thinner, slightly lighter, and a bit more comfy. Personally, I'd go for a 3" SP101 and get a Hogue grip for it, tames the gun nicely.

One thing to consider, the SP101 will be here when that K frame turns to dust, very STRONG firearm.

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Stay tuned..I have a service six, speed six, SP and smith 65 I'll get together later today.
 
The Ruger Security-Six would be a good choice, but all the ones on the auction sites are 4 inch. Were those ever made in shorter barrels? All input is appreciated.

Yes, the Speed Six was available in 2.5" and I THINK it had a round butt, not sure on that one. But, I've owned both (security six was 4") and the SP101 is a much better firearm, esepecially for CCW. I think it's the best .357 magnum compact EVER made for that purpose, personally. It's got N frame strength and nearly J frame physical size. The 3" is only 28 ounces. Side by side with the same ammo, the SP101 with a Hogue on it handles recoil MUCH better than the Security Six which sat rather high in the hand.

I'd NEVER pick either a K frame OR a security six over the SP101, myself. If I don't kill him in five, one more ain't gonna help. Just the quality of the little SP101 and its strength of design and it's smooth trigger, it's a great little revolver. All else are substandard IMHO.
 
A picture would be insufficient. You need to examine them in person to see the difference.

The 66 (I have two), even with a 2.5 inch barrel, is still a big gun. It's a six shot 357 magnum and is significantly wider than the Ruger.

I sold my sp101 because I didn't like the ergonomics. The grip was so short there was no place for my pinky. There were no aftermarket grips as I bought it when it first came out, so I sold it.

But if you're thinking of CCW, the sp101 is nearly ideal. Five shots so it's narrower than the Smith. Plus there's a ton of aftermarket grips. But like I said, you need to see them in person to appreciate the difference.
 
As noted above the Security Six was made in 2.75" bbl. Built on the same frame is the Service Six with fixed sights and square butt and the Speed Six which also has fixed sights and round butt. I believe both of the latter were made in limited numbers in 3" bbl. length and definitely 2.75" bbl. length. The Six Series should be about the same size as a 66. Here is a picture of the Security Sixes that Confederate posted on this board a while back including the 2.75":

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/RugerSecurity-SixTrio_2.jpg

A Security Six and Service Six posted by Mr.Revolverguy here:
http://www.digitalrage.org/pictures/Ruger_Club.jpg

The cylinder diameter of the SP-101 is 1.348" per Jeff Quinn's website, a K frame is 1.446" per Stephen Camp's website (1.306" for a J frame, 1.557" GP100 as an aside) and a Security Six/Speed Six/Service Six is 1.501" per Hobie's website ( http://shootingwithhobie.blogspot.com/2009/09/interesting-question.html ).

A Security Six next to SP-101 2.25" bbl.:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5118/dscn1109copy.jpg

A Ruger Speed Six:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e61/DawgFvr/Ruger/RSS810002.jpg
belonging to Dawgfvr on Firing Line
 
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Keep in mind my K frame has biggish grips on it , the speed six stock grips, my service six has thin boot grips and the SP has fat short grips. Big difference is really cyl bulk but OWB it's likely not a big difference. All are way bigger than a Smith J.

4" K, 4" service six and 3" SP
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4" K and 3" SP
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4" Service six and 4" K
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2 3/4" Speed and 3" SP
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...then by a model 60 Lady Smith instead

But, he's not a girl. :D

J frames were never intended for .357 and I don't really think the K frame is strong enough for it, either, not for a lot of high pressure shooting. That's why I prefer the Ruger. It's strong enough, light enough, compact enough, and danged accurate. You can feed it full power loads and nary a worry anytime in the near future.
 
I have a speed six with 2 3/4" barrel. It is an easy gun to carry. You can't go wrong with a speed six.
 
logical - thanks for the pictures

i never realized that the Security/Service/Speed-Six had a larger diameter cylinder than the K-frame. i just thought the K-frame was lighter.

i have recently got a 2.5" M66, because i can't seem to find a 2.75" Speed-Six. for a number of reasons i thing the Speed-Six is the ultimate carry .357...i still defer to my Python for general use.

for me the SP-101 is just too beefy for it's intended use, their new LCR is a much better solution
 
i never realized that the Security/Service/Speed-Six had a larger diameter cylinder than the K-frame. i just thought the K-frame was lighter.

I was saying the others were bulkier than the SP....not sure there is any difference between a Six and a K.
 
I was saying the others were bulkier than the SP

in your picture comparing the SP and SS...other than the cylinder, the SP actually looks bulkier...maybe it's just the barrel.

i would expect the SP to be less bulky, it carries 20% fewer rounds
 
Thanks to All.......

........for your input and pictures. I am leaning towards Rugers since they're built to take a steady diet of .357. When I had my S&W 66, I knew it really wasn't meant to have constant .357 firing. It's replacement is a S&W 686. I love shooting it, and it's my "woods" gun, but I don't really want to use it as a carrier. Though I have considered it (4" barrel). As someone said, I really should just go out and get some "hands on" shopping. Currently waiting for a few things to go on consignment, no point in teasing myself till the money is in hand :). And to get to another comment about the Ladysmith, I know guys with Ladysmith revolvers and semis. They don't care because they like the guns too much and are pretty good shots with'em!
 
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i never realized that the Security/Service/Speed-Six had a larger diameter cylinder than the K-frame. i just thought the K-frame was lighter



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I was saying the others were bulkier than the SP....not sure there is any difference between a Six and a K.

If you look up the HKS speedloader applications, the Security Six has a different model number speedloader than the K frame. The cylinder is slightly larger. There's enough slop in HKS speedloaders, though, I used the number 10s for my K frames in the security six and they seemed to work, though. The only other Smith I've owned other than K frames was an N frame. I like K frames for their weight/size, but the SP101 is just better for carry IMHO. The 5 round capacity does not concern me. And of course it's a tough little toot that can handle the punishment of a steady diat of full power loads if you can.
 
I carry either a 2" or 4" S&W K Frame on a regular basis, and have no trouble doing so. In that regard, an SP101 would probably be even easier. I shot an SP once, and did very well with it. Awesome little gun. I do a bit better with the Ks though, so I've stuck with carrying them. The extra round is a nice bonus too, but like MC, I wouldn't feel undergunned one bit with the SP.

Maybe I'll buy a used SP101 one day. They are cool little guns. I just prefer blued finishes myself, wish Ruger would offer the SP with a blued option.

I do own a 4" Ruger Police Service Six. Comparing it to the closest sized S&W I own, a 4" Model 15, they are VERY close in size. The Ruger's cylinder is just a smidge wider (my calipers are busted, but my eye figures around .1" at most). Call it even. Interstingly, the Ruger's grip frame is noticeably smaller.

In the end, any would work great, it is just a matter of finding the best match for you.

A round butt K frame would be more compact in the grip area.

That would be another option. Both of my 15s are square butts, but I recently bought a Model 13 .357 Mag with a 3" barrel and a round butt. The round butt does make a noticeable difference in concealability and comfort when carrying IWB, though I don't have any objection to the SB models. Once I've proven it to be reliable, I'll start carrying it with either a 158 grain 38 +P, or maybe Speer Gold Dot's .357 135 grain JHP. Those Speer .357s are fairly mild by .357 standards, so the 13 ought to do fine with them.

On a final note, I find that the SP, K Frames and the Ruger Sixes all balance/point pretty naturally for me. But my hand tells me that the 3" K Frame pictured below is the sweetest balancing handgun of all (due to family issues, I've not had time to shoot it).



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Just in case anyone is curious a Colt Detective Spec. is about 1.40" cyl. dia to add to the above comparisons.
 
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