I Have An Interview For A Security Firm Tomorrow

[gym]

In my case, we had been in the gym business, and I carried there, as I closed the club at 11 PM. and sometimes opened while it was still dark out. So my ex partner knew I would never take a position, carrying 6 figures around, with no backup, unless I was armed. Since it was just the two of us, and my job had no real description, other than I was "working" for him, I don't think we were breaking any laws, it was a private portfolio. I wasn't officially a guard, but still carried large amounts of cash, alone, in Bars, strip clubs, shop quicks, Hotels, etc. Some were in the worse places in FL, "that's where ATM machines make the most money.
Honestlly I would never do that job without loading up, 3 guns, pepper spray, a stun gun, and a vest on rare occasions because of the heat. I was alone all day, until I checked in to hand in the receipts at night on my way home.
Although you can never protect yourself against someone laying in wait for you. The spur of the moment or poorlly planned robbery can result in your death when things go downhill fast.I know this as I have had the unfortunate luck of being party to a home invasion. They knew all about me way before ever coming in for the job.I lived through that and said I would never allow a bad guy to have the choice weather I and my loved ones get to live or die without me having something to say about it.
Some, actually most robberies that result in a shooting, didn't start out that way, but something goes wrong, maybe one guy is high, or pissed off at his wife or just panics. You need to have an option, even if you die, you may have been able to save your family. At least you have a chance, without a gun you have no chance should things go sideways. You feel very alone when you walk into a hostile enviornment, alone, with a clipboard and a bag of 20's that you are trying to cover, while opening the machine,safe, and closing out the receipt. It can be the longest 5 minutes in your life. And "they" will alway test you, asking fr some cash, joking around, but not really. I will never do anything like that again.My buddy still does it and loves it.He's a crazy SOB, and dosen't need the money anymore. So everyone is different. I can't see a guard as anything but a target to a gang member, and with no means of protection, "they know that", you are a sitting duck.
If you are going to be a target, at least get paid a lot of money to risk your life. These guys who work for $10 dollars an hour and put their life in harms way, is just nonsense in my eyes. Go work for Blackwater or tripple canopy for a year, after 90 days you money is, or at least was, Tax free.Do a year or two, and yo can make enough to set yourself up in business for ever.Yes it's dangerous but your getting paid 6 figures tax free.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

How about acting like some kind of grownup and call this op out for saying he is going to carry at work anyway? .

On this we agree, regardless of legality the OP took the position knowing company policy forbade carrying at work and is opting to do so anyway

 

[Turn Key]

Be advised that some some security firms do random employee pat downs and searches. This was a comon practice done in the Dept of Corrections. At role call the shift supervisor would bring in a couple Sargents and do a through search of all the officers there going on duty.

Follow your new companies policy and enjoy the experience of following the rules.

The best,

TK

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

In no solid words did I say I was going to carry. I said I might. But my best bet would be to just find another job ASAP. Pay rate isn't the greatest, but I'm just going to be checking ID's at the Tyson plant. So I don't even see the immediate need for one there. Probably just leave it in the car.

 

[MilsurpShooter]

It's not going to be up to Securitas. It's going to be up to the place your assigned. If you're armed, go to a place that is un-armed, and are carrying, you're in breach of terms of employment and will be fired, regardless of how Securita's views it.

With security contract companies, the employer is always right. I've done this gig for years and managed my way out of contract into the company employment (Went from the guy on contract to the guy that oversee's all the guys on contract)

I have caught 2 people attempting to conceal carry while on duty at a strictly no guns plant. One I caught personally, the other was reported by employee's for brandishing on duty :banghead:

Each time involved police, lawyers, court dates and the whole nine because the company wanted to pursue it past just termination. So if you plan on carrying when you're not supposed to be, I'd look up a good lawyer beforehand.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

"You need to follow the rules your boss tells you, even if you die, because by golly, rules are rules"

I'm astonished that point of view is actually being voiced on THR.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Just going to leave it in the car when I do get my carry permit. I don't have one yet.

 

[Agsalaska]

Really? You are astonished that there are people on this board that would advise someone to follow the rules of their employer?

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

He's saying it because a large number of members here believe that their life is worth more than work.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Really? You are astonished that there are people on this board that would advise someone to follow the rules of their employer?

To the point where they deliberately put their own life at risk just to follow the rules? Yes. Absolutely yes.

Do what you must to preserve your life. Everything else is beneath that. Everything, including rules.

 

[Agsalaska]

How are they deliberately putting your life on the line? By not allowing you to carry? Don't work there if don't like it! But don't deliberately break the company's policies just because you think you know something they don't. The vast majority of retailers in the united states have this rule. The vast majority. We had a little exchange earlier about why that is. They do it for liability reasons and safety reasons. Again. Just don't work there if you can't handle it.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

They care about them. I care about me. If they're not going to care about me, I'm not going to care about them. Or their rules.

The only person who is going to take care of you, is you. Not some company, not your boss, and not their rules. A job is a job, it doesn't keep you alive. They clearly state in their rules that they don't care if you die by preventing you from being able to defend yourself. I don't care about their liability of they don't care about my life.

 

[Agsalaska]

Then don't work for them.

And most business actually do care about there employees.

But again, just don't work for them.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

No. I'll do what I want and what's best for me. I'll work where I can get the most pay, and I'll carry to keep myself alive. The company states very clearly they don't care about me when they say I can't carry. My response is that I no longer care about them. My willingness to respect others, or their rules, is dependent on their willingness to respect me. Treat me like a person, I'll return the kindness. Treat me like a cog in a machine or a worker be, I'll respond to that too. Respect my life, I'll respect your liability. Don't, and I won't.

I'll keep working if I don't get caught, you'll fire me if I do. Fair enough.

 

[Agsalaska]

No. I'll do what I want and what's best for me. I'll work where I can get the most pay, and I'll carry to keep myself alive. The company states very clearly they don't care about me when they say I can't carry. My response is that I no longer care about them. My willingness to respect others, or their rules, is dependent on their willingness to respect me. Treat me like a person, I'll return the kindness. Treat me like a cog in a machine or a worker be, I'll respond to that too. Respect my life, I'll respect your liability. Don't, and I won't.

I'll keep working if I don't get caught, you'll fire me if I do. Fair enough.

I totally disagree. But it's not worth arguing over.

Have a good day.

 

[EvilGenius]

No. I'll do what I want and what's best for me. I'll work where I can get the most pay, and I'll carry to keep myself alive. The company states very clearly they don't care about me when they say I can't carry. My response is that I no longer care about them. My willingness to respect others, or their rules, is dependent on their willingness to respect me. Treat me like a person, I'll return the kindness. Treat me like a cog in a machine or a worker be, I'll respond to that too. Respect my life, I'll respect your liability. Don't, and I won't.

I'll keep working if I don't get caught, you'll fire me if I do. Fair enough.

As already been stated, in a lot of places it can go way beyond just getting fired.

You can be in direct violation of the law.

But I guess thatd mean the law doesn't care about you. Might as well not care about it either.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I would cross that bridge if I came to it. But I'd have to be alive to cross it at all.

 

[Agsalaska]

Yea. Let's just say you are in a position to make an employee firearms rule for the company you work for. Let's say 1000 small boxes in 12 states with 11000 employees. Your boxes are small retail, about the size and scope of a Radio Shack or maybe a Gap. You get robbed sometimes. Not as much as a bank but more often than one might imagine. Let's say 20 a year. You know from experience in multi unit management and from the professonal security department that works for you that by far the easiest way to get those bad guys out without hurting anyone is to give them everything they ask for. You will not hold the employees responsible for the money or whatever is stolen. They will get paid leave and paid counseling. And they live. But you cannot approach it this way and also allow your employees to carry. Remember there are 11000 field employees. It would be impossible to ensure the proper training needed to truly be an asset in a robbery you understand that out of those 11000 there may be 300 ccw holders. Of those probably only 50 of those have any real training. After all in most states all you have to do to get a ccw is shoot a target and pass a safety test. That's a far cry from the true training really needed for a robbery situation. Not to mention you secondlargest state is Arizona and those 2000 employees can carry anywhere. So to protect the coworkers do you ban carry by employees to ensure those situations go cleaner or do you allow those that want to carry do so with no guarantee they have the proper training. Your loyalty is to the staff as a whole, so to better protect everyone you don't allow guns.

That is right. And I didn't begin to approach the liability issues brought forward by allowing it. But I assure you that is a pretty good summary of how companies approach that subject. And they certainly don't do so because they don't care.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

The point is moot. If they aren't going to let me carry on my person, I'll leave it in the car. I know enough about becoming a shadow to everyone else so I can get out of there, because I've done it before. I've been able to save my own arse a few times by disappearing into nothing when I couldn't defend myself.

And if I need it, it's in the car.

I've never been the victim in a police report, nor the aggressor. And I do not plan to be, either.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Yea. Let's just say you are in a position to make an employee firearms rule for the company you work for. Let's say 1000 small boxes in 12 states with 11000 employees. Your boxes are small retail, about the size and scope of a Radio Shack or maybe a Gap. You get robbed sometimes. Not as much as a bank but more often than one might imagine. Let's say 20 a year. You know from experience in multi unit management and from the professonal security department that works for you that by far the easiest way to get those bad guys out without hurting anyone is to give them everything they ask for. You will not hold the employees responsible for the money or whatever is stolen. They will get paid leave and paid counseling. And they live. But you cannot approach it this way and also allow your employees to carry. Remember there are 11000 field employees. It would be impossible to ensure the proper training needed to truly be an asset in a robbery you understand that out of those 11000 there may be 300 ccw holders. Of those probably only 50 of those have any real training. After all in most states all you have to do to get a ccw is shoot a target and pass a safety test. That's a far cry from the true training really needed for a robbery situation. Not to mention you secondlargest state is Arizona and those 2000 employees can carry anywhere. So to protect the coworkers do you ban carry by employees to ensure those situations go cleaner or do you allow those that want to carry do so with no guarantee they have the proper training. Your loyalty is to the staff as a whole, so to better protect everyone you don't allow guns.

That is right. And I didn't begin to approach the liability issues brought forward by allowing it. But I assure you that is a pretty good summary of how companies approach that subject. And they certainly don't do so because they don't care.

Paid leave, paid counselling, over something they're not guaranteed to live through anyway? You're missing many points previously brought up. If the crook is scared, and in a panic, it can go ANY direction, and usually opposite of what you hope for.

You're also leaving out gang initiations, where robbery is only the secondary function in the crime committed. If they're planning on taking a life, that life is already taken. There's nothing your liability issues can do to change that. In my opinion, that is some low-life, "I don't care about you, I just want the money" attitude that too many companies portray.

I don't intend at staying at this job too long, but it's something that needs to be done so I can get my bills paid.

Like Ragnar said, I don't respect those who tell me I can't defend myself because they don't want to pay for liability issues, especially when money can be made back over some time. Too many people trying to line their pockets now, and have no concern for anyone but themselves. THAT is what needs to change in this country. It's SOCIETY that needs to change, and the GREED needs to go.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Yea. Let's just say you are in a position to make an employee firearms rule for the company you work for. Let's say 1000 small boxes in 12 states with 11000 employees. Your boxes are small retail, about the size and scope of a Radio Shack or maybe a Gap. You get robbed sometimes. Not as much as a bank but more often than one might imagine. Let's say 20 a year. You know from experience in multi unit management and from the professonal security department that works for you that by far the easiest way to get those bad guys out without hurting anyone is to give them everything they ask for. You will not hold the employees responsible for the money or whatever is stolen. They will get paid leave and paid counseling. And they live. But you cannot approach it this way and also allow your employees to carry. Remember there are 11000 field employees. It would be impossible to ensure the proper training needed to truly be an asset in a robbery you understand that out of those 11000 there may be 300 ccw holders. Of those probably only 50 of those have any real training. After all in most states all you have to do to get a ccw is shoot a target and pass a safety test. That's a far cry from the true training really needed for a robbery situation. Not to mention you secondlargest state is Arizona and those 2000 employees can carry anywhere. So to protect the coworkers do you ban carry by employees to ensure those situations go cleaner or do you allow those that want to carry do so with no guarantee they have the proper training. Your loyalty is to the staff as a whole, so to better protect everyone you don't allow guns.

Since your argument seems to be based on the tired old Bloomburg-esque anti line of "give them what they want and they won't hurt you", you don't seem to have much of an argument at all.


The moment you place your life in the hands of a criminal, you've lost.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

If you can't abide by the company's policies, you should't be working there. If you feel that strongly you must carry, man up and get a job that doesn't prohibit it. Anything else is spineless dishonesty, pure and simple. When you accept employment, you agree to perform your duties in the way prescribed by your employer asks in exchange for compensation.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Firearm won't leave the car. But I'll end up finding employment that better fits my terms.

 

[bikerdoc]

Im an old boke down retired cop.
I work P/t for a gun shop doing the internet ammo orders at a remote location.
We all carry.
The Boss is great, he says " You dont carry to protect my stuff, You carry to protect YOU from people that want to take my stuff"

 

[Agsalaska]

Since your argument seems to be based on the tired old Bloomburg-esque anti line of "give them what they want and they won't hurt you", you don't seem to have much of an argument at all.


The moment you place your life in the hands of a criminal, you've lost.

As tired as you may think that argument is, in a retail or business work environment, it is true. That is why, or at least one of the reasons, the vast majority of retail workplaces take that approach.

Now personal defense away from work is a completely different story.