I imagine this would tic off some traditionalists..
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Absolutely! I took it in the tree stand last season and no matter what I tried, it was too hard for me to stabilize. It shoots great from a sandbag on a bench though. There's a long muzzleloader season in my county, and I have friends and guests come to hunt on my property and they don't always have a muzzleloader, so they use my T/C Impact. It's just easier to teach them how to load and shoot versus one of my sidelocks, and it's a tack driver. This Optima will be for me to carry around.
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Just wondering...I have a Contender Hunter and it came with the single point harness which works well once you get it all adjusted and configured, but it's almost more trouble than it's worth.
Don't know how you interpreted my comment of being afraid to exercise a 'freedom or right'. It was a comment about loosing our freedoms if current political trends continue. I just used this discussion as an example.
Governments don't "issue" rights as someone else said. They do take away rights on a regular basis. And, they look for all kinds of excuses to do so.
I'm not going to get into "muzzle loading season" as that would tic off more people than the OP was supposed to.
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Perhaps I used the wrong word. I didn't mean afraid as though one was cowering in a corner whimpering, I meant afraid in a concerned way. It still doesn't change anything. I'm just following the rules, not skirting the rules. The SBR rule doesn't apply to a muzzleloader, and there are plenty of them manufactured that would break NFA rules if they were manufactured to fire cartridges. My gun is not different from an Optima rifle with a chopped barrel, which would be just as legal as the Pedersoli Howdah pistol or 1860 Army with a shoulder stock. Just saying, I think your concern is a bit misplaced. Anything can happen to the rules, sure, which is why concerns would be better placed in ensuring our elected officials don't support stupid things.
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I have one, it's an accurate pistol but it is hard to shoot offhand due to its balance. Not like the Contender. I thought about solutions like this but decided I'd rather hunt with a flintlock rifle than a modern inline pistol.
Hoping that was a joke. AT least the way the law is written today, you can do anything you like with a muzzleloader. I don't like the ballistic give up from a short barrel and I am restricted to open sights in ML season so the short sight radius kills it for me, but he isn't doing anything close to the edge of the law at all.
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Ok that made me laugh.... Accuracy has already been established using 80 grains of 777 and a 250gr Hornady SST in a sabot. My deer are usually taken between 20 and 70 yards, so this setup will be great for that. Pretty sure I'll get expansion within that range.
How about a good strong broom handle ? Then after you shoot it everything could go in the garbage where it belongs. I only say that because it looks like sh!! - period. Now if you would have made some wood grips and stock that attached it would be a different story. 
On a different note when my grand daughter got old enough to hunt, her step dad, a really big time deer hunter, bought her a compound bow and a inline MLer. I never said a word, but she wouldn't use them. Instead she borrowed one of my longbows and a T/C 54 cal gun. She's shot deer with both. I gave her the Brian Ferguson bow and she'll get one of my home made MLers anytime she ask.
On a different note when my grand daughter got old enough to hunt, her step dad, a really big time deer hunter, bought her a compound bow and a inline MLer. I never said a word, but she wouldn't use them. Instead she borrowed one of my longbows and a T/C 54 cal gun. She's shot deer with both. I gave her the Brian Ferguson bow and she'll get one of my home made MLers anytime she ask.
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How about a good strong broom handle ? Then after you shoot it everything could go in the garbage where it belongs. I only say that because it looks like sh!! - period. Now if you would have made some wood grips and stock that attached it would be a different story.
On a different note when my grand daughter got old enough to hunt, her step dad, a really big time deer hunter, bought her a compound bow and a inline MLer. I never said a word, but she wouldn't use them. Instead she borrowed one of my longbows and a T/C 54 cal gun. She's shot deer with both. I gave her the Brian Ferguson bow and she'll get one of my home made MLers anytime she ask.
Looks goofy for sure, but it was the only option for adding a stock for stability. It will be a deer getting machine, and I will still be able to change it back in about 5 minutes for fun at my range. Long bow? So far I haven't been interested in hunting with a bendy stick, but my crossbow gets some action.
I like it. I prefer a percussion or flintlock for target shooting. But after hunting with all three. I'll take a 209 primed muzzleloader every day. Braces are for helping you aim. Better placed shots equal less wounded animals.
I find it funny that people act like our ancestors wouldn't have jumped at the chance of using better weapons if they could. Look at all the failed attempts at getting better ignition through the years before cartridge guns came out as the winner.
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I've never had a problem with 777, except for the pellets. 209s, percussion and musket caps, never a problem in what I shoot. I prefer real black only in my flintlocks, for obvious reasons..
I wrote that because I am a traditionalist. I shoot only my own Matchlock, flintlock, or percussion lock guns. I live in Michigan and believe the DNR has ruined the hunting seasons. You don't even need a MLer in the MLing season anymore. Oh, they still call it that for some God unknown reason. It's just me, but I'd like to see a primitive and a modern season. Primitive season for recurve or long bows, no sights, and traditional looking MLers, patched RB, open iron sights. No inlines. The modern season - anything goes.
It's all about the money anymore. Or just shooting another deer. MLing use to be about people who wanted to hunt like their fore fathers, being handicapped with a shorter range weapon. I can remember the first MLing season in Michigan. Two friends and myself went up north hunting and didn't see another hunter for 5 days, or the DNR, and this was on state campground land. We didn't even wear any hunter orange, just our buckskins and we stayed in a lean-to. We did walk into a party store at the campground entrance and the people in there couldn't believe it.
It's all about the money anymore. Or just shooting another deer. MLing use to be about people who wanted to hunt like their fore fathers, being handicapped with a shorter range weapon. I can remember the first MLing season in Michigan. Two friends and myself went up north hunting and didn't see another hunter for 5 days, or the DNR, and this was on state campground land. We didn't even wear any hunter orange, just our buckskins and we stayed in a lean-to. We did walk into a party store at the campground entrance and the people in there couldn't believe it.
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