I need a little help

[bigbadgun]

I just got a CVA hawkens .50 It has a 209 primer system. But for the life of me I cant figure how it works does the primer go inside the little cover where the Hammer strikes? I have never seen a priming system like this before. Just want to make sure I buy the right pieces to go with it.

 

[alemonkey]

Looks like maybe the outside cone unscrews, then you place the primer over the nipple and screw the cone back on?

 

[Dave Markowitz]

I don't think that take 209 primers. As alemonkey said, the outside cover unscrews. You then use a regular rifle or pistol primer. Don't know if you'd use small or large.

 

[mykeal]

That's not a 209 conversion. It's for pistol primers, which are even more rare than hen's teeth. Take it off and use regular caps.

 

[Chawbaccer]

Pain in butt to use, especially on a cold day. Take it off and install a No. 11 nipple.

 

[bigbadgun]

ok so is it a matter of just taking off the cap and installing a regular nipple?

 

[mykeal]

Nope. Need to remove the entire adapter. It screws out like a nipple.

 

[bigbadgun]

thanks mykeal got the new nipple installed. This is the one i have been wanting for a long time.

 

[billnpatti]

Now that you have removed the 209 device, my advice to you is to take it to the nearest swamp and throw it as far as you can. That thing is the most worthless thing ever foisted on the unsuspecting muzzleloader owners. Just my humble opinion.

 

[mykeal]

I would vote for some of the nipple wrenches and cappers I've had the misfortune to encounter over the years, but that 'conversion unit' thing would certainly be well up in the running.

 

[bigbadgun]

What ever that ignition system was is now off the rifle and should be sitting in the bottom of a lake. Unless it floats. Thanks for all the help guys.

 

[arcticap]

If the unit uses a 209 primer, it's a Mag Spark primer adaptor. These have been redesigned since October, 2008:

NOTE: The newest versions of the spare caps are not interchangeable with Mag Sparks purchased prior to October 2008.

http://www.warrencustomoutdoor.com/pl-spark-start.html

If it uses small rifle [magnum] primers, it's a discontinued Accra-Shot primer adaptor:

These produce more certain ignition and are mostly used for hunting purposes. MCgunner indicated that using the Accra-Shot eliminated hang fires with his Cabela's Hawken Hunter Carbine and made it more water resistant.
If a person spends hundreds of dollars to go on a hunt including travel, guide & permit fees and then had a chance to harvest a trophy animal after trying for days, then anyone can understand why they would want to have more certain ignition.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4058022&postcount=9

 

[Das Jaeger]

Problem with that

Arcticap is that some Hunting Regulations and seasons do not allow the use of Modern Primers as a means of ignition on BP guns , Pennsylvania rings a bell as one of them thar states . Although I think they go one step farther and Flint Lock only ?
I would assume , and correct me if I am wrong , but could one not use a Musket Cap nipple on any of these rifles if they so wanted ? May take changing over the drum of course too , but at least it wouldn't be a LEAR JET black powder rifle .
They way I see it , its like spark plugs in a car , a spark is a spark , and only one spark lights this thing off anyway . The 209 system is overkill huh ? Maybe ? Can't be good on the drum , must wear that out pretty quick I am thinkin too .

Das Jaeger

 

[bigbadgun]

Thanks for that bit of information. But I have installed a #11 nipple and it works fine. It just seems like it would be a pain in the neck to take that thing off everytime you want to take a shot. This is my first sidelock rifle. And I got it for a great deal. So if there is a little something that I need to purchase to make this as smooth as possible then so be it lol.
I have a CVA Blazer That I have taken hogs out as far as 100 yards. But I have always liked the look of the Hawkens So now I got one lol.

 

[Dave Markowitz]

Arcticap is that some Hunting Regulations and seasons do not allow the use of Modern Primers as a means of ignition on BP guns , Pennsylvania rings a bell as one of them thar states . Although I think they go one step farther and Flint Lock only ?

Correct, PA's black powder season is flintlock only.

 

[mykeal]

I would disagree with the characterization of 209 and rifle/pistol primer adapters as producing more certain ignition. That presumes that there are inherent ignition problems with percussion caps (either musket or No.10/11's) or flint.

I would be embarrassed to have such a device on my gun as it would openly announce my inability to properly tune or load my gun to obtain reliable ignition with a more traditional system. Ignition reliability problems are the fault of the gun's owner, not the gun.

 

[Ginormous]

Send it to me bigbadgun, I have a project that could benefit from this type of ignition system.

Here, hold ma beer, and watch this!

Seriously, send it on, if you're just going to throw it away.

 

[bigbadgun]

Let me see if its still floating in the lake I tossed it in.lol

 

[Ginormous]

Darn. Then gimme my beer back.

 

[Ratdog68]

Aye laddie... but do ya mind if it passes through me kidneys first?

 

[Ginormous]

Upon further reflection, I've decided to donate the beer.

 

[Ratdog68]

Got another one?

 

[Ginormous]

Last time I let someone hold my beer whilst I performed a watch this!, it didn't work out so good. Can I trust you?

 

[Ratdog68]

Absofrigginlutely !!! Trust me, I tells yaz.

 

[bigbadgun]

Roflmfao