bullbarrel
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A note about Smith letting you send the s9ve back free, both ways shipping paid, and no charge whatsoever. In my case they simply did not fix the gun. And they stand ready for me to send it to them again. I didn't bother.
i purchased a s&w 9mm sigma any thoughts? It is my first gun purchase
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rd2007
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My son bought one a few weeks ago and it has been flawless so far. I don't think the trigger is bad at all and it is also very accurate.
The Lone Haranguer
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The Sigma trigger, IMO, should be treated as you would a revolver. Wrap your finger fully around it, putting it into or near the crease of your first finger joint, and pull straight through.
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Did you keep the receipt ?? Hopefully they except returns
Did you keep the receipt ?? Hopefully they except returns
I have the reciept from mine, but wouldn't allow the store to take it back for a $100 more than I gave for it! It is what it is...like any gun, some poeple hate them, but some people don't. Its worth every penny of the $200 I gave for it and more. I have no need to take a gun back that has been nothing but 100% reliable, comfortbale to shoot, accurate and easy enough to carry.
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I nvr cwite gat thot speling.
Thanks.Wait a minute, you can remove a spring and make it better, but a gunsmith hired by S & W couldn't come up with that? Look I know it can work, but should it be done?
Court: "So you decided to change the gun, correct"
You: "It was only a spring!"
Court: "That changed the trigger to make it easier to fire"
You" "Yes, and Yo Mama told me not to, but I didn't listen"
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Sorry they didn't fix it for you, but I would sure send back to let them try again. I had to do this once for a keltec, and second time they usually have the trained monkeys work on it, instead of the monkeys in training.
Also, it's still free to send them in, no matter how many people are asking for it.....like they should be!
jimk0512
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+1.
Except my experience was with a Ruger. On the second try, they fixed it. I sent a letter with the gun explaining what the problem was, and a copy of the paperwork from their first attempt to fix the gun.
230therapy
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Good luck! Hopefully it will work. I've seen several that are were jam-o-matics. Just make sure to proof it.
If there is a problem, S&W has very good customer service and will take care of you.
If there is a problem, S&W has very good customer service and will take care of you.
I removed the pigtail spring and put a wolf striker spring. Clicked 3 times and failed to return to battery. The problem was the Wolf spring.
I sent it to S&W, they left it as is with the pigtail removed but replaced the striker spring and polished the sear. FREE.
All I had to pay was shipping and technically they didn't have to fix it because their part didn't fail.
I have shot 100 rounds through it since with no problems. Before I messed with the trigger there was about 400 rounds through with no problems.
The trigger feels around 7 pounds now and is very smooth compared to what it was.
Excellent first gun.
I sent it to S&W, they left it as is with the pigtail removed but replaced the striker spring and polished the sear. FREE.
All I had to pay was shipping and technically they didn't have to fix it because their part didn't fail.
I have shot 100 rounds through it since with no problems. Before I messed with the trigger there was about 400 rounds through with no problems.
The trigger feels around 7 pounds now and is very smooth compared to what it was.
Excellent first gun.
hub
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I do see your point there, and I also appreciate the humor in your posts, it's fun to disagree and keep things civil with a laugh.
My point was just that I wanted to make the pistol better for me. I didn't like the grittiness off the trigger and that's why I changed it. I asked about the trigger job from S&W but they wouldn't do it anymore unless there was an actual problem with the firearm not working correctly and that's why I posted it.
I think anyone that has done it would probably agree that the sear should be polished from the factory. I'm guessing that it would add a significant cost for them to do it and bump the guns price point out of their target? I don't have a better guess, but it's just a rough machining, plain and simple.
It's one thing to have a hard long trigger, other's can argue the merits on a defensive gun without a safety. But I can't imagine anyone arguing FOR the "grittiness".
I am much happier without the grittiness and I think that 99.99% of owners would be too even with the stock pull weight. Is that a "trigger mod"? I guess, although I'm not sure what damage you could really do making it shiny (but I'm sure some idiot will do something dumb, change the design, blow up and then blame the "sigma" model ).
It's one thing to have a hard long trigger, other's can argue the merits on a defensive gun without a safety. But I can't imagine anyone arguing FOR the "grittiness".
I am much happier without the grittiness and I think that 99.99% of owners would be too even with the stock pull weight. Is that a "trigger mod"? I guess, although I'm not sure what damage you could really do making it shiny (but I'm sure some idiot will do something dumb, change the design, blow up and then blame the "sigma" model
).I understand how to do the trigger fix. It is easy to do. I am reluctant to remove the pigtail spring completely. The factory put it there for a reason. Does anyone know what the function of the pigtail spring is?
Someone on another thread suggested it had something to do with absorbing the recoil from +p ammo, but isn't that the function of the slide recoil spring?
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Someone on another thread suggested it had something to do with absorbing the recoil from +p ammo, but isn't that the function of the slide recoil spring?
Thanks
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I think you could have done a lot worse for the money. Practice with that trigger and you will be fine.
mdog said:
The purpose of the pigtail spring seems to be the result of the legal department at S&W reacting to the lack of an external safety. They wanted the trigger stiffened substantially to try to mitigate liability in the event of an unplanned discharge.
The purpose of the pigtail spring is to make the trigger harder to pull and to insure a solid, quick reset. Without the pigtail spring the trigger is much easier to pull, but I can't perceive any difference in the reset. I have shot about 9,000 rounds down range since removing the pigtail spring and have never had the trigger fail to reset.
The purpose of the pigtail spring seems to be the result of the legal department at S&W reacting to the lack of an external safety. They wanted the trigger stiffened substantially to try to mitigate liability in the event of an unplanned discharge.
HspncElvis
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I took my Sigma 9mm out for the first time 3 weeks ago. Yes the trigger was a little hard, but I'm told put 1000 rounds through it and it will lighten up. I saw on these postings that dry firing would help too. Didn't know that. Some say dry firing is not good. I'll take your word for it. My Sigma 9 is FANTASTIC!!!
carbuncle
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My first pistol was a 1st generation Sigma in .40: I liked it. It shot great, jammed on crappy reloads occasionally but was completely reliable with factory ammo and had great ergonomics for me. I'd buy one now if I found a good deal on one, although I've got my eye on an SD40.
Sevenfaces
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No thoughts, a tip though: If at all possible, Always try and shoot the gun you want to buy first. not literally That exact gun, but the same model. Cheers.
writerinmo
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I EDC a SW40VE. Has proven to be reliable with 180gr rounds. As an old revolver guy I don't see why everyone has their panties in a twist over the long pull. It's designed that way for a reason... you have NO safeties on it!
S&W NEVER did 'trigger jobs' on them. If a customer complained about the "gritty" trigger, they took it back and polished the sear assembly. While it might have lightened the pull a pound, it sure made it FEEL a lot lighter for sure.
The Sigma is still taking a beating over the 1st Gen ones. If you happen to still have one and you send it in for work, S&W replaces it with a new one. Everyone who had one agrees that the early ones were POS.
Most of the detractors across the web are non-owners who just don't like it because it is a "Tupperware" pistol... the same reason they don't like Glocks or Keltecs, they want their pistols to be all steel and are unwilling to even dare think that polymer might have a place in a pistol.
Other people complain and call them "jammomatics'' and perhaps never tried to figure out why... did they try different types and brands of ammo, were they limpwristing? Of course they would never admit it, if they were.
The Sigma is just as reliable as you make it. Take care of it, find out what it likes to eat (Mine WILL NOT feed Magtech Guardian Golds, but they work fine in my other .40) and don't over-lube it. If it develops a problem, call the manufacturer (like you should with all makes) and get it taken care of. Some people... just like to complain and not do what they know they should do.
Mine shot low... about three inches at 20 feet. I solved this by installing a HiViz fiber-optic front sight designed for a Glock, a bit of filing on the sides and now it heads dead on. That's just part of the fun of owning any make of firearm, making it do what you want it to!
S&W NEVER did 'trigger jobs' on them. If a customer complained about the "gritty" trigger, they took it back and polished the sear assembly. While it might have lightened the pull a pound, it sure made it FEEL a lot lighter for sure.
The Sigma is still taking a beating over the 1st Gen ones. If you happen to still have one and you send it in for work, S&W replaces it with a new one. Everyone who had one agrees that the early ones were POS.
Most of the detractors across the web are non-owners who just don't like it because it is a "Tupperware" pistol... the same reason they don't like Glocks or Keltecs, they want their pistols to be all steel and are unwilling to even dare think that polymer might have a place in a pistol.
Other people complain and call them "jammomatics'' and perhaps never tried to figure out why... did they try different types and brands of ammo, were they limpwristing? Of course they would never admit it, if they were.
The Sigma is just as reliable as you make it. Take care of it, find out what it likes to eat (Mine WILL NOT feed Magtech Guardian Golds, but they work fine in my other .40) and don't over-lube it. If it develops a problem, call the manufacturer (like you should with all makes) and get it taken care of. Some people... just like to complain and not do what they know they should do.
Mine shot low... about three inches at 20 feet. I solved this by installing a HiViz fiber-optic front sight designed for a Glock, a bit of filing on the sides and now it heads dead on. That's just part of the fun of owning any make of firearm, making it do what you want it to!
HspncElvis
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Writerinmo, well said! I'm happy with my SW9VE.
I bought a 9mm, back in Feb. I didn't need another 9, but I found one for $299 with a $50 rebate.....I was suprised....my trigger was gritty, and I took it apart after about 600 rds, and found on mine, there was a piece of casting flash on the plastic housing, that was rubbing on the metal sear holder(?).
I filed it flat, cleaned everything real good, and put it back together. I left the pigtail spring out, but really didn't feel any diff., in pull, so I re-installed it, which was a ROYAL PITA, by the way, took me about 1.5 hours.
I like mine, trigger is better than my HiPower practical, and I shoot it better than my Beretta 92, CZ75b, Witness, and the Hi Power. I cast and reload for it, and it has never failed, in about 3000rds, of reloads and factory ammo. I can't say the same for my NIB 1911 colt I bought, a few years ago, but I guess that's another story.:
I hope you enjoy yours....
I filed it flat, cleaned everything real good, and put it back together. I left the pigtail spring out, but really didn't feel any diff., in pull, so I re-installed it, which was a ROYAL PITA, by the way, took me about 1.5 hours.
I like mine, trigger is better than my HiPower practical, and I shoot it better than my Beretta 92, CZ75b, Witness, and the Hi Power. I cast and reload for it, and it has never failed, in about 3000rds, of reloads and factory ammo. I can't say the same for my NIB 1911 colt I bought, a few years ago, but I guess that's another story.:
I hope you enjoy yours....- Status
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