I shot my first reloads-Doctor says I should be okay in a couple weeks.
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.41 magnum man
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QUOTE]The doctor is wrong; after a title like that, I believe that you're never going to be "OK."[/QUOTE]
That is exactly what my wife said. In all honesty though, I have always known I need lots of help.
Kellyj00, don't feel like the lone ranger when you say you are confused. If you were in my head for a minute or so and seen what I have to deal with...
Oh, hey, guys, listen! I only have a minute. Oh, no, they are coming! I really am
Attention: who ever has been reading the posts by .41 magnum man, you can stop responding to him. He has been on the run from Community Phsychiatric Hospital since he escaped a month ago. He doesn't own any guns, and he doesn't have a reloader. All this is just terrible fantasies in Mr.
.41's head. Now that we have him back in custody, we apologize for any inconveniences, and will keep him from being a nuisance to others, even on the internet. Of course he will be kept in the highest security facilities at the hospital. An Orderly from Community Phsychiatric Hospital.
That is exactly what my wife said. In all honesty though, I have always known I need lots of help.
Kellyj00, don't feel like the lone ranger when you say you are confused. If you were in my head for a minute or so and seen what I have to deal with...
Oh, hey, guys, listen! I only have a minute. Oh, no, they are coming! I really am
Attention: who ever has been reading the posts by .41 magnum man, you can stop responding to him. He has been on the run from Community Phsychiatric Hospital since he escaped a month ago. He doesn't own any guns, and he doesn't have a reloader. All this is just terrible fantasies in Mr.
.41's head. Now that we have him back in custody, we apologize for any inconveniences, and will keep him from being a nuisance to others, even on the internet. Of course he will be kept in the highest security facilities at the hospital. An Orderly from Community Phsychiatric Hospital.
nitesite
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I have to give you credit, and the award for, the "Most Creative use of the Thread Title bar"!
Look at how you have over 600 views, more than almost any other thread on the page.
And the Psycho Hospital insert is hysterical!
Look at how you have over 600 views, more than almost any other thread on the page.
And the Psycho Hospital insert is hysterical!
Harley Quinn
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Back to the primer situation, sounds like you have been told many things to figure out why and what for. Last but not least.
Gets some new brass and go from there. Do not mix brass/primers etc.
Especially if you are working up hot loads
Get some win brass and the primer you want to use and the bullet and powder and set down and load up 10 rounds of good ammo and shoot it and do it again, and again and again until you are happy and doing it right.
HQ.
Gets some new brass and go from there. Do not mix brass/primers etc.
Especially if you are working up hot loads
Get some win brass and the primer you want to use and the bullet and powder and set down and load up 10 rounds of good ammo and shoot it and do it again, and again and again until you are happy and doing it right.
HQ.
.41 magnum man
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Hey Everybody! I Escaped!
I don't think I'll be found this time, so back to the discussion:
Good stuff there, Harley. Thanks. I bought some Winchester Primers today. They didn't have any brass, but I will try the new primers in the Remington cases and see if they seat (and stay) better than the CCI brand did. If not, I am going to order some more brass. Thanks for the heads up about not mixing the primers of one brand with another brand, and the same with cases too. The primers I would not have mixed, but I didn't think that about the cases. So far I have only loaded and shot 10 bullets, and that has been at the lowest grain recommended at 16 gr. for Hornady 210 gr. bullets. I will give reloading another shot (another shot! Ha! I just kill me sometimes
) tomorrow and see how these primers do. Then I am going to step up to the next level of powder and try that. The loads with 16 gr. shot several inches higher than the factory 170 gr. Winchester ammo. But I didn't really have the greatest rest, so I'm not sure about accuracy. At 12 yards or so I was shooting in a three inch circle, but I was just anxious to see if I had reloaded well enough on my first try to make it go bang.
Oh, that brings me another question to mind. Now it was getting dark when I shot, but there was a lot of flash out the end of the barrel when I shot. Could that just be because the lack of light made it show up better, or could it be that for my gun that load is too light? I have read that muzzle flash is a sign of too low a pressure, so that is why I ask. It pretty much looked like a flame thrower for a split second.
And to everyone else checking out the thread, I hope you are enjoying it. Cause if I get caught again, well, I might not get out next time.
I don't think I'll be found this time, so back to the discussion:
Good stuff there, Harley. Thanks. I bought some Winchester Primers today. They didn't have any brass, but I will try the new primers in the Remington cases and see if they seat (and stay) better than the CCI brand did. If not, I am going to order some more brass. Thanks for the heads up about not mixing the primers of one brand with another brand, and the same with cases too. The primers I would not have mixed, but I didn't think that about the cases. So far I have only loaded and shot 10 bullets, and that has been at the lowest grain recommended at 16 gr. for Hornady 210 gr. bullets. I will give reloading another shot (another shot! Ha! I just kill me sometimes
) tomorrow and see how these primers do. Then I am going to step up to the next level of powder and try that. The loads with 16 gr. shot several inches higher than the factory 170 gr. Winchester ammo. But I didn't really have the greatest rest, so I'm not sure about accuracy. At 12 yards or so I was shooting in a three inch circle, but I was just anxious to see if I had reloaded well enough on my first try to make it go bang. Oh, that brings me another question to mind. Now it was getting dark when I shot, but there was a lot of flash out the end of the barrel when I shot. Could that just be because the lack of light made it show up better, or could it be that for my gun that load is too light? I have read that muzzle flash is a sign of too low a pressure, so that is why I ask. It pretty much looked like a flame thrower for a split second.
And to everyone else checking out the thread, I hope you are enjoying it. Cause if I get caught again, well, I might not get out next time.
I normally have a pretty high tolerance for jokes, but I'm going to say something on this one.
If you weren't hurt by your "first reloads" then it would be the right thing to do to not post that you were. personally, I feel that reloading is what will keep this sport alive in the next few years with ammo prices being what they are, and if folks are scared that they'll hurt themselves then we're not going to have as many reloaders.
That, and I'd like to have more reloaders around to talk to. Please, don't put a bad spin on a good thing. We all have issues time and again with our guns, lets not make it out to look like it's a dangerous hobby.
Entertaining write up none the less....just needs a different title.
If you weren't hurt by your "first reloads" then it would be the right thing to do to not post that you were. personally, I feel that reloading is what will keep this sport alive in the next few years with ammo prices being what they are, and if folks are scared that they'll hurt themselves then we're not going to have as many reloaders.
That, and I'd like to have more reloaders around to talk to. Please, don't put a bad spin on a good thing. We all have issues time and again with our guns, lets not make it out to look like it's a dangerous hobby.
Entertaining write up none the less....just needs a different title.
.41 magnum man
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I hear you, Kelly, and I understand your thoughts. I'm not sorry though. Anyone reading the first post can plainly see it is a joke, and I am just the kind of guy who can and will joke about anything. Listen, I have cancer, a bad heart, and other health problems and I could go any day. But that is the same for any of us, even if we are the picture of health. Now, don't you get me wrong, because I am not writing this in an argumentative fashion, nor am I against you in any way. I see your point. But I don't go along with that point anymore than you go along with mine, and that is fine. No worries. But I'm not changing. I'm a happy guy with the Lord in my heart. If I live I have a lot to look forward to, and if I die I got even more to look forward to. My nature is to joke and make people laugh. And I'll tell you this: If I had for real blown my hands off and was blind--I'd make a joke about that too.
The only people who see something as bad, are people who want to see it as bad. Reading my post isn't going to make somebody who is on the fence dive off the other side, although some idiot may use it as an excuse. If I had said, "My dog was killed by my reloads," then said it was a joke, do you think a hundred people would suddenly sign up for PETA because of that? Nope, they will sign up anyway. And as far as that goes, I'll say this because people don't understand much thses days in this rotten, pc, stupid world gone nuts: If I did push them over to the other side, then let it be so. That is what life is about. We all get pushed until we make decisions. Like I told a boy years ago who I was witnessing to: He didn't like hearing what I was saying to him and I told him I didn't care. For what I said was going to have one of two effects on him. Either he would believe what I said and accept it, or he could get mad and reject it. He rejected it. Is that my fault? No. So you see, if someone wants to get mad over the truth and push you away, how much stupider it is when someone is plainly kidding around and another decides to bail out when there is nothing real to base the decision on!
Kelly, I hope you have a great day. I mean that. And I'm not mad, and I'm not worried. I hope we get to yak on some stuff we do find in common. Take care.
The only people who see something as bad, are people who want to see it as bad. Reading my post isn't going to make somebody who is on the fence dive off the other side, although some idiot may use it as an excuse. If I had said, "My dog was killed by my reloads," then said it was a joke, do you think a hundred people would suddenly sign up for PETA because of that? Nope, they will sign up anyway. And as far as that goes, I'll say this because people don't understand much thses days in this rotten, pc, stupid world gone nuts: If I did push them over to the other side, then let it be so. That is what life is about. We all get pushed until we make decisions. Like I told a boy years ago who I was witnessing to: He didn't like hearing what I was saying to him and I told him I didn't care. For what I said was going to have one of two effects on him. Either he would believe what I said and accept it, or he could get mad and reject it. He rejected it. Is that my fault? No. So you see, if someone wants to get mad over the truth and push you away, how much stupider it is when someone is plainly kidding around and another decides to bail out when there is nothing real to base the decision on!
Kelly, I hope you have a great day. I mean that. And I'm not mad, and I'm not worried. I hope we get to yak on some stuff we do find in common. Take care.
Harley Quinn
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41 magnum man,
I think you are on the right road now, just be very careful as you work up a load. 10 at a time.
You will see the group get smaller and larger as you change powder amount.
It will also start to show when you get to the higher pressures.
So just find a good medium load to reload that groups well. 3" is good.
When you get better at doing this then you can start to tinker with higher loads etc..
Good luck, Keep us posted.
Forget about the jokes for now.
I think what some are trying to tell you is reloading is very methodical...
A personality that is not methodical at the time of doing this will mess up.
Getting hurt with this stuff is not good, nor do those who take it serious appreciate. IMHO
Responsibility, begets responsibility.
Follow the books advise regarding everything, it will become clear as how to do it and why. You just had a hiccup, and will do fine I figure.
Some will throw the loads (medium is fine), others measure it and weigh every single one (hotter). Starting out I'd get into a certain pattern that will help you not make mistakes later. If you are not sure, read the book again.
I think you are on the right road now, just be very careful as you work up a load. 10 at a time.
You will see the group get smaller and larger as you change powder amount.
It will also start to show when you get to the higher pressures.
So just find a good medium load to reload that groups well. 3" is good.
When you get better at doing this then you can start to tinker with higher loads etc..
Good luck, Keep us posted.
Forget about the jokes for now.
I think what some are trying to tell you is reloading is very methodical...
A personality that is not methodical at the time of doing this will mess up.
Getting hurt with this stuff is not good, nor do those who take it serious appreciate. IMHO
Responsibility, begets responsibility.
Follow the books advise regarding everything, it will become clear as how to do it and why. You just had a hiccup, and will do fine I figure.
Some will throw the loads (medium is fine), others measure it and weigh every single one (hotter). Starting out I'd get into a certain pattern that will help you not make mistakes later. If you are not sure, read the book again.
caz223
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Muzzle flash has nothing to do with low pressures, no idea where you may have heard that.
If you shoot at high noon, chances are you won't see any muzzle flash.
If you shoot during late afternoon with the sun at your back you will begin seeing the flash. At night the flash will be blinding when using 2400.
Magnum powders flash. They make more power by burning slowly, keeping the bullet in the barrel longer, the faster burning powders kick the bullet out of the barrel fast, too fast for optimum velocities. Slow burning powders are still burning when the bullet exits the barrel, thus, more flash.
lil ski
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I had a Rossi 38 that I could not use CCI primers for the same reason. One of the guys I shoot with told me CCI primers are harder and and a few thousands longer so if they can not be seated flush in the case they will not flatten out like all the other primers. I swiched to federal and have never had another problem and that has been many cases of primers ago. I use a Dillon 550 and have only had 1 primer (it was a federal) pop 
when I was pressing it in and I have been reloading with that press for 12 years.
when I was pressing it in and I have been reloading with that press for 12 years.Harley Quinn
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41 magnum man:
If you decide to use the 41 magnum for bear hunting make sure you use some powder that has a long flame, it is good when the bear gets close. You shoot them in the head and blind them with the flame, old story I read once
If you really want to see a flame that is 44 inchs long or so, shoot a "30 carbine" revolver with rifle ammo, it is cool to say the least. At night of course
The night vision suffers with that one
Ever hear the song by Marty Robbins about Shorty?
http://www.lyricsdownload.com/marty-robbins-mr-shorty-lyrics.html
Tells a good story about flame
If you decide to use the 41 magnum for bear hunting make sure you use some powder that has a long flame, it is good when the bear gets close. You shoot them in the head and blind them with the flame, old story I read once
If you really want to see a flame that is 44 inchs long or so, shoot a "30 carbine" revolver with rifle ammo, it is cool to say the least. At night of course
The night vision suffers with that one
Ever hear the song by Marty Robbins about Shorty?
http://www.lyricsdownload.com/marty-robbins-mr-shorty-lyrics.html
Tells a good story about flame
Could it be that the primer pockets themselves are of differing depths, either due to mfg differences or from being fired? If you run them thru a pocket uniformer, you will start out with the same depth on all pockets and eliminate one variable.
I prime with a RCBS hand primer. I don't even know how to do it on my Forster. I can sit in my den and prime brass by the coffee can with a movie on in the background. Any coffee can with primed brass has the mouth expanded and is ready for powder and bullet. When it's time to load some up this really speeds things along for me.
I prime with a RCBS hand primer. I don't even know how to do it on my Forster. I can sit in my den and prime brass by the coffee can with a movie on in the background. Any coffee can with primed brass has the mouth expanded and is ready for powder and bullet. When it's time to load some up this really speeds things along for me.
.41 magnum man
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I haven't heard the song about "Shorty" yet, but I did hear that Johnny Cash wrote the ring of fire after getting the Preparation H mixed up with the Ben Gay!
It would be my luck that I would just make a nekkid bear!
Caz, I can't recall where I read about the muzzle flash. Might actually be in either my Speers # 11 or in the Lee book. They said something about that muzzleflash could be too low a load, but that most people think the opposite and quit going any higher with the powder when that is what they are actually supposed to do. I'll see if I can find it.
I got some Win. primers and I am having less trouble with them, but I still have some of them not going in all the way in the Remington cases. It is also harder to actually feel them going into the primer pocket than it was with the CCI's . I think I'm going to get some different brass and see what that does. Already getting more expensive, and I haven't even got going good yet!
I tell you one thing though--those minimum loads are still yet hotter than the 175 Gr. Winchester factory loads. Or at least it seems to me they are. And I'm only up to 1150. I'm sure you would all get a kick seeing me shoot that baby. I'm a big guy, but I've never shot any magnums before in my life until this one. One thing I finally did learn was to keep my pinky finger out from under the pistol handle. I've done smashed my finger 3 times when that gun has gone off! It is a wonder I'm not gun shy. And I smashed my thumb on my left hand one time using that hand to help steady the pistol. Didn't realize the meaty part of the thumb was under the grip. Pow and Yow! But I love it. I got to get me some better rests than my old hunting coat though. Every time I shoot I can smell that jacket melting.
Lil ski, I was wanting to try the Federals, but my Lee instuctions recommend only Winchester and CCI. Hey, do you fellows feel that certain brass is better than others? What kind do you use?
And Harley, thanks a bunch for everything. I do take this reloading seriously. Being a crispy critter aint my idea of how I want to leave this world. So to everyone, thanks a lot, and I admit I can get carried away sometimes. Please don't kick me out. I really like it here.
It would be my luck that I would just make a nekkid bear!
Caz, I can't recall where I read about the muzzle flash. Might actually be in either my Speers # 11 or in the Lee book. They said something about that muzzleflash could be too low a load, but that most people think the opposite and quit going any higher with the powder when that is what they are actually supposed to do. I'll see if I can find it.
I got some Win. primers and I am having less trouble with them, but I still have some of them not going in all the way in the Remington cases. It is also harder to actually feel them going into the primer pocket than it was with the CCI's . I think I'm going to get some different brass and see what that does. Already getting more expensive, and I haven't even got going good yet!
I tell you one thing though--those minimum loads are still yet hotter than the 175 Gr. Winchester factory loads. Or at least it seems to me they are. And I'm only up to 1150. I'm sure you would all get a kick seeing me shoot that baby. I'm a big guy, but I've never shot any magnums before in my life until this one. One thing I finally did learn was to keep my pinky finger out from under the pistol handle. I've done smashed my finger 3 times when that gun has gone off! It is a wonder I'm not gun shy. And I smashed my thumb on my left hand one time using that hand to help steady the pistol. Didn't realize the meaty part of the thumb was under the grip. Pow and Yow! But I love it. I got to get me some better rests than my old hunting coat though. Every time I shoot I can smell that jacket melting.
Lil ski, I was wanting to try the Federals, but my Lee instuctions recommend only Winchester and CCI. Hey, do you fellows feel that certain brass is better than others? What kind do you use?
And Harley, thanks a bunch for everything. I do take this reloading seriously. Being a crispy critter aint my idea of how I want to leave this world. So to everyone, thanks a lot, and I admit I can get carried away sometimes. Please don't kick me out. I really like it here.
Harley Quinn
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Hi 41 magnum man,
Do you have a little primer brush cleaner (rcbs) It might be the ticket
Those cases that are not seating right, might have some stuff in them that hamper the ability for you to seat then deep enough.
Sort of a simple sounding thing, but might look into it
HQ
Do you have a little primer brush cleaner (rcbs) It might be the ticket
Those cases that are not seating right, might have some stuff in them that hamper the ability for you to seat then deep enough.
Sort of a simple sounding thing, but might look into it
HQ
Hawk
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The first time I shot a SBH in .44 I did the same thing. First shot numbed it up so I didn't notice and kept going. By the next morning my little finger had a knot the size of golf ball and it was the cause of great jocularity at my workplace.
I replaced the grips the next day.
I like Winchester and Starline. The new Winchester .357 cases I just bought were tough to prime the first couple of times until they loosin' up just a tad. They have stayed easy to prime after that. Starline is so good at consistent case length they almost don't need trimming. Both hold up well.
lil ski
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I don't use any 1 kind of brass but most of mine is winchester or rem. I don't see why Federals would not be recommended in your Lee any one have any ideas.
caz223
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A lot of people diss REM brass, I got 6 boxes of remington factory ammo for my .41 in 1993, at $30-$35 a box.
I proceeded to reload that same brass until 2001 or 2002 with NO splits, and NO loose primers. I annealed the necks once. I retired that brass because it got to looking ratty, but I still have it (Most of it, anyway.). I averaged at least 100 rounds a week. You do the math, that brass has been loaded an insane number of times, with no problems, and I tended to load hot in those days.
I got 1000 or so of starline .41 now, and look forward to shooting that until the day I die.
Maybe those boxes of REM factory ammo were dusty and made in the '70s, no idea, and maybe their quality isn't what it used to be, but I had good luck with REM.
That being said, STARLINE ROCKS!!!!!
I proceeded to reload that same brass until 2001 or 2002 with NO splits, and NO loose primers. I annealed the necks once. I retired that brass because it got to looking ratty, but I still have it (Most of it, anyway.). I averaged at least 100 rounds a week. You do the math, that brass has been loaded an insane number of times, with no problems, and I tended to load hot in those days.
I got 1000 or so of starline .41 now, and look forward to shooting that until the day I die.
Maybe those boxes of REM factory ammo were dusty and made in the '70s, no idea, and maybe their quality isn't what it used to be, but I had good luck with REM.
That being said, STARLINE ROCKS!!!!!
Hawk
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Everything I've loaded so far has been Starline - no complaints here. 'Course it's mostly handgun stuff.
The consensus conjecture is that is blows up or might blow up or blew up once. There are quantity restrictions on other brands / types. Now that I'm the proud new owner of a single stage, those hand-primer gadgets looks like a "must have" so I just bought one that came with different instructions. Downloadable manuals are 'da bomb, so to speak. The one I got looks to cost about triple what the Lee costs with no obvious difference in the product - perhaps the extra money just goes into the liability insurance premiums to cover the absence of warnings in the manual.
Harley Quinn
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Starline
This could be some of the reason why so many are able to have these higher velocities and pressures and not have a blown up firearm.
Improving the strength and ductility at the start is going to help I would think.
For the average shooter of light loads it is not going to help one bit...IMHO...
http://www.starlinebrass.com/
This could be some of the reason why so many are able to have these higher velocities and pressures and not have a blown up firearm.
Improving the strength and ductility at the start is going to help I would think.
For the average shooter of light loads it is not going to help one bit...IMHO...
http://www.starlinebrass.com/
.41 magnum man
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Thanks men. I guess you are all men? Anyway, yes, shc1, I am pretty sure my problem is the Remington brass. I have 50 Winchester cases from factory loads I shot, and I put the Winchester primers in them, and I could tell a difference in every way. I could feel them seat better, and they all went in farther than they did in the Remington brass. I had my gun shop order me some Starline Brass just to see how that will work. Slowly but surely, I am progressing toward finding the best combination for me and my gun.
caz223
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OMG, you will love starline.
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