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My only near ND to date was while cleaning. I had just finished cleaning and reassembling a pistol. I wanted to perform a function check and since the gun had a magazine safety I loaded a fully loaded magazine into the pistol and pulled the trigger. It didn't feel and sound right so I racked the slide and was about to pull the trigger again when my father stopped me... thank goodness.

I now very carefully remove ALL ammo from the room that I'm cleaning in before I begin. If I need a magazine then I only have empty ones present.

You live... you learn.
 
Back during DS, my wife was put on alert to be deployed as medical support. Some wild-eyed cowboy who thought it would look good on his record got himself substituted for her. One of the first things wec had to do was teach the team of medical personnel how to care for the 1911s they would be issued to safeguard their patients. Shot himself in the head halfway through the first class while attempting to remove the barrel bushing without clearing the weapon first.
 
It's completely plausible.
I was in the infantry for 6 years and I saw fellow soldiers do some incredibly stupid things with weapons.
One that come to mind was when some genius left a locked and loaded, belt fed SAW on a picnic table. And yes, it was off-safety too.
 
"Honest officer, it went off while I was cleaning it", is easier on the ego than, "I'm really sorry officer but I was <insert stupid things one can do with guns here>. I know it was a really stupid thing to do but that's what happened."
 
A friend of a friend had intended on cleaning his glock and failed to visually and physically inspect...with his left hand covering the muzzle, he pulled the trigger to remove the slide. He is now 2 fingers shy of a 'high 5'.
 
incredibly stupid things

Failing to ensure a firearm is EMPTY of all ammunition prior to doing much of anything other than shooting/preparing to shoot or carrying it has to be at the top of this list. I imagine there are valid cases of "wiping-down a gun" while it was loaded and it discharged, but mine are empty when I do this, also. When sloppy habits or convenience/shortcuts replace safe practices, stuff happens . . . usually bad stuff.
 
I personally have always been of the opinion the "The Four Rules" are up for situational interpretation. But short of a pure mechanical malfunction of the firearm (which just about never happens), I can't see how anyone shooting themselves or another by accident is anything but a completely irresponsible dumbass move.

No two ways about it... this guy is fully to blame for his friends death.


-T.
 
At a gunstore, in a town not far from me, a prospect was considering a Glock purchase. Under the clerk's instructions, he was experiencing difficulty with a simple field strip at the counter.

The store was not empty; a state trooper also at the counter, overheard the discussion and witnessed the fumbling by the would-be customer. Says Mr. Trooper, "Here. We carry Glocks. This is what you do..." whereupon he promptly unholstered his duty sidearm, began to demonstrate, with a finger in the trigger guard (OK, now you know where we're going)... and shot another customer in the store. This "other customer" also just happened to be an attorney. Fact is stranger than fiction.

An acquaintance of mine (don't confuse this with a friend!) was showing one of his buddies how quickly he could take down his Glock .40. Why didn't he ensure was cleared first? Sheer stupidity. Also with a finger in the trigger guard, he managed to shoot himself in the hand. I saw him 6 months after this karmic occurence, and he still had a cast up to his elbow and had not regained the feeling in his hand. This individual is a jerk; lucky his buddy wasn't injured.
 
See what happens when you use them new fangled semi-autos. Should switch back to revolvers.;)

Stupidity knows no bounds, so I could believe the person's story, though obviously it could prove to be a lie.
 
Pueblo Police still maintain it was an accident.
By NICK BONHAM
THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN
Detectives on Thursday maintained that the fatal shooting of a newly discharged Fort Carson soldier by another serviceman late Wednesday was an accident.

"It was just a small group of people, sitting around listening to music, talking - we found no signs of alcohol - and the guy was cleaning his gun when it accidentally went off and struck our victim. We interviewed everyone that was present at the time and everyone's stories are consistent," said Detective Don Litton of the Pueblo Police Department.

The victim was identified as 21-year-old Richard Medina of San Angelo, Texas.

He died at 10:35 p.m. in the emergency room at Parkview Medical Center, according to Pueblo County Coroner James Kramer.

"He died shortly after arriving at the hospital. There was no organ donation accomplished," Kramer said, dispelling earlier police reports that an attempt was under way to save Medina's organs for medical use. Medina had held the rank of a specialist and was a mortarman with the 4th Infantry Division at Fort Carson. An Army spokesman said Medina joined the Army in June 2005 and that he was discharged Wednesday.

Police said Medina was expecting his first child with a 17-year-old girlfriend, who witnessed the shooting.

Pfc. Antonio Alvarado, 26, who police and Fort Carson officials said is from Puerto Rico, was cleaning his personal .45-caliber handgun in his kitchen when it accidentally fired and struck Medina in the head.

The incident happened about 10 p.m. at Alvarado's house, 3237 W. 18th St.

Like Medina, Alvarado, who is still on active duty, is a mortarman stationed with the 4th Infantry Division. Both served overseas in Iraq - Medina from October 2006 to December, and Alvarado from April 2007 to December.

Medina and Alvarado earned the same military awards, including the National Defense Service Medal, Iraqi campaign medal, overseas service ribbon, combat infantryman badge and Global War on Terror Service Medal.
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At a gunstore, in a town not far from me, a prospect was considering a Glock purchase. Under the clerk's instructions, he was experiencing difficulty with a simple field strip at the counter.

The store was not empty; a state trooper also at the counter, overheard the discussion and witnessed the fumbling by the would-be customer. Says Mr. Trooper, "Here. We carry Glocks. This is what you do..." whereupon he promptly unholstered his duty sidearm, began to demonstrate, with a finger in the trigger guard (OK, now you know where we're going)... and shot another customer in the store. This "other customer" also just happened to be an attorney. Fact is stranger than fiction.
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How not to clean a handgun 101:
Drop mag
Aim at the head of a friend, pull trigger
Remove slide and barrel assembly
Reverse directions to reassemble

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/19820414.html
Pueblo police say a 21-year-old former Fort Carson soldier, Spc. Richard Medina, was accidentally shot and killed Wednesday night, the same day he had been discharged from the Army.

According to police, the shooting happened at 10 p.m. at 3237 W. 18th street, the home of 26-year-old Antonio Alvarado. Alvarado, Medina and Medina's girlfriend were sitting in the kitchen as Alvarado was cleaning his handgun.

Witnesses say Alvarado was joking around and pointing the gun at Medina when it accidentally went off, fatally shooting Medina in the head.

Friends of the victim say Medina and Alvarado were best friends and this simply seems like a tragic accident.

Medina and his girlfriend were expecting their first child together.

Fort Carson officials say Medina had been assigned to the 112 Infantry Division.

Alvarado was also a Fort Carson soldier.
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He's got a strange definition of "cleaning", and "accidentally". Sounds like he lost a friend due to an acute case of stupidity.
 
In all cases like these the first words from the investigating officer should be "Show me the cleaning kit".

Blank stares will surely follow. . . .
 
a local doctor supposedly was cleaning his gun and it went off, blowing off 2 of his dominant hand's fingers.

He was a surgeon IIRC, and now is on disability.

Personally, I think he blew his fingers off on purpose to get disability.

I don't buy the "I was cleaning a loaded gun." BS either.
 
Up above, Corporal K referred to a SAW that was "Locked and Loaded", and "Off Safety".

My name says it -- I'm an old fart -- so I don't know SAWs -- I only know M1 lingo.
But in my day, son, LOCKED meant "safety ON".:)

Please explain.

Fud
 
Locked and loaded, as it applies to a SAW:
loaded = with round in chamber
locked = bolt mechanically held in position to the rear (fires from the open bolt position)
 
Witnesses say Alvarado was joking around and pointing the gun at Medina when it accidentally went off, fatally shooting Medina in the head.
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thats not an accident, that is manslaughter...
 
A guy I used to work with one time admitted to me that he accidentally killed his TV set while 'dry' firing at it with his .44 magnum.

Yep,people do stupid things all the time, and sometimes they involve guns.
 
Unfortunately, the "cleaning story" for negligent discharges is a part of the popular culture; a lot of non-shooters can become convinced that it's a common firearms risk.

This tragedy looks like negligent homicide and a damned shame.
 
How is this part of the problem? Isn't the first thing you do when taking down your gun to drop the mag and lock the slide back? And if not, why not?
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Keep your bugger picker off the bang switch till your ready to fire! Just to clean it you gotta break Gunny's #1 rule.

That said, there is no cure for stupid. C.S.S.
 
Drop mag, rack slide, remove ammo from work area. Then disassemble. Be safe.
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Also, look into the chamber. One COULD get stuck in there........;)
 
I've seen a Ruger Single Six fire when the hammer was brushed while the guy holding it was flipping out the loading gate to check if it was loaded.....accident's do happen, even when you're being safe.
 
We had a local genious kill his 4 y.o. son after cleaning his rifle earlier this year. He apparently reassembled the gun after cleaning, then pulled the trigger to 'make sure it wasn't loaded" (first indication of 'genious', then slapped in a mag and chambered a round and (force of habit?) pulled the trigger again, accidentlly shooting his son fatally. Very sad, very stupid. What do you call a skip generation Darwination?
 
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