I think I'm finally starting to get it!

[rainbowbob]

Oh...Crap!!! I'm still new to this 2nd Amendment stuff - but I think I'm finally starting to get it!

Having just read the gun control quotes in the THR Library (see link in upper right hand corner of the home page) - I realize I have been living in a white fog for most of my life. Good Lord - those gun-grabbers are serious aren't they?

I will give some of them the benefit of the doubt and assume they sincerely believe we will all be safer when they have disarmed law-abiding Americans. Of course, as with most social engineering, they could not be more misguided and flat-out wrong.

Many of them clearly believe that only the government can be trusted with firearms - and the constitution is an embarrassing anachronism that should be ignored.

And then there are the ones whose aims are much more sinister. The ones who know that an armed population will be difficult to control and bend to their desire for complete domination by a ruling class. The ones who would willingly sacrifice you and your families safety to random violence in order to further their agenda, knowing they will be among the elite who will have their walled fortresses and armed guards.

Yikes!

 

[rainbowbob]

Oops! I meant to post this in "General Gun Discussions" or "Legal". I guess only the mods can move a thread - so if one of you thinks it should be moved, feel free.

 

[rainbowbob]

I recently wrote about the Chief’s Special I inherited from my uncle, on the condition set by my brother (who is an anti - and a judge!) that I register it. His reasoning was that if it was stolen and used in a crime, it would not be traced back to our uncle. I thought this was a sound reason at the time, and I know he was sincere and had no other motive. Now I am beginning to realize that others motives for requiring registration are not so pure. Registration - even voluntary registration – can and will be used to confiscate my weapon if those who would ban the ownership of all handguns have their way. I guess I need to pick up a couple more. Oh well, I’d like to join the 642 club anyway – so this gives me an excuse.

 

[19-3Ben]

Before I say the following, I want to preface by saying that I am a wheelgun man at heart. I LOVE my wheelguns, and they out number my Semi-autos 3 to 1. They are also pretty much all that I carry.

That being said, if you are worried about buying guns before a ban, go with hi-cap semi-autos. Gun banners want all of our guns including revolvers. But they will take semi-autos first. They've already shown that with the assault weapons ban limiting mag capacity to 10. Semi-autos are somehow more "evil." We'll be allowed to hang on to our revolvers a little while longer than the semis, but that doesn't mean we should give up one inch anywhere. I don't own an "evil black rifle" but gosh darnit I'll protect the right to do so. And anyone who comes after my Gemini Customs Ruger SP101 is in for a NASTY surprise of the 158gr. .357mag DoubleTap variety.

Edit to add:
Oh, and welcome to being a responsible and aware citizen. Feels good to know you haven't yet missed the boat eh? Good on ya for not being stupid and blind.

 

[2ndamd]

After reading many of these quotes I was sadden almost to tears.
The lack of appreciation of shooting as a sport and as a necesary means of controlling the Government , is astonishing.

I guess I really will die fighting for what I believe in....someday. Not yet. But it's coming.....or so it would seem.

 

[Robert Hairless]

I guess I really will die fighting for what I believe in....someday. Not yet. But it's coming.....or so it would seem.

So it would seem.

But about 5% of gun owners in the United States would rather live for what we believe in than die for it. So we belong to the NRA and support its ongoing fight to preserve our right to keep and bear arms.

The other 95% of American gun owners don't belong to the NRA, but most of them talk bravely and passionately about dying for their rights. They have really, really great reasons for not supporting the NRA. Among those great reasons are that it's scarey to be told when their rights are in danger and annoying to be asked for donations to fight for those rights.

So the 95% don't like being frightened or asked to help, but at some future time they're going to fight like wild men. Fierce.

Meanwhile the 5% of us who belong to the NRA are carrying the weight of the other 95%. They're getting heavier by the day.

Any gun owners who would prefer to live for their right to keep and bear arms instead of dying for it at some future time is welcome to join the NRA and help carry the burden: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp

At $35 a year NRA membership is a bargain. Many of us in the 5% contribute additional money and time to the NRA because we really believe in the right of Americans to keep and bear arms, and we do much more than talk about it.

 

[Harpo]

I recently wrote about the Chief’s Special I inherited from my uncle, on the condition set by my brother (who is an anti - and a judge!) that I register it. His reasoning was that if it was stolen and used in a crime, it would not be traced back to our uncle.

No, if you registered it and it was stolen, it would now be traced back to YOU!

 

[-terry]

When bought my first handgun, a model 19 .357, I immediately took it to my local police station and registered it. Six months later, it was stolen. 12 months after that, it was returned by my police dept. If I hadn't registered it, I wouldn't have gotten it back.

 

[rainbowbob]

Any gun owners who would prefer to live for their right to keep and bear arms instead of dying for it at some future time is welcome to join the NRA and help carry the burden: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp

Robert: You got me with that one. I've never been much of a joiner, but I am joining the NRA. Thanks for the push.

 

[rainbowbob]

No, if you registered it and it was stolen, it would now be traced back to YOU!

Yes...that was the idea - that it be traced back to me, not my uncle.

If I hadn't registered it, I wouldn't have gotten it back.

That is certainly a very real benefit of registration. I don't think it should be mandatory, but perhaps voluntary registration should be an option for this purpose.

 

[Robert Hairless]

Robert: You got me with that one. I've never been much of a joiner, but I am joining the NRA. Thanks for the push.

Good man. With more people to help carry the load it won't be so heavy for each of us, and it's likely that all of us can live for our beliefs.

For what it's worth, I'm not much of a joiner either. This situation is different. You've caught on to why it is and how it is. Many people don't.

 

[rainbowbob]

I am joining the NRA. Thanks for the push.

I am now a proud new member. If you aren't - why not? It only took a couple of minutes online, cost $35, and included a magazine subscription. If $35 is too much, I discovered that you can join for a limited time for $25 if you go to the "Americas First Freedom" website. Do it!

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Ya know, even people who don't shoot should be fighting to keep our 2nd Amendment rights secure. If people sit by and actually allow one of the original Amendments to the Constitution to be trashed because some people don't like it, what's next? All our rights are sacred and none should be taken for granted!

What bothers me the most is, Liberals will protect the 1st Amendment even when it means protecting such filth like NAMBLA but think nothing of trashing the 2nd Amendment. Again, all our rights are sacred and endowed to us by our Creator. The Constitution and it's Amendments only affirm and protect those rights, not grant them. That's a very important distinction that seems to be lost over the past century. Our Founding Fathers considered the right to bear arms a pre-existing right, not a right granted to us by laws. Remember, anything that's granted by a law can be revoked. All our rights are sacred and endowed to us by our Creator and only affirm and protect by man's laws!

Thank you, and now back to our regularly scheduled programing!

 

[P5 Guy]

What a fine post.

 

[eagle45]

This is really a heart warming thread.

I remember quite a few years ago at work, I noticed the screen saver that one of the engineering technicians had on his computer. It was the type that scrolls text across the screen. This is not an exact quote, but it basically said something like "If you enjoy shooting and don't belong to the NRA, you are a free loader." I remember at the time that it really ticked me off. I had not been raised to appreciate the shooting sports or CCW, but kind of came to it on my own in my early twenties. I certainly did not view myself as a freeloader.

Well after a couple of years, there was an opening in my area for another repair technician. This person would work with me in a room just off the assembly area, just the two of us, nice and cozy. Well guess who got the job - that's right mister screen saver. He and I became good friends and over the next few months I not only saw his point of view but became a life member and convinced my son and father to join as well. His 'freeloader' comment may have been a bit strong, but it sure started a lot of conversations. Once you got him talking, he presented much the same facts as Robert Hairless did in his #6 post in this thread - well done.

I'm thinking I'm overdue to send a donation.

 

[armoredman]

Welcome, sir. Welcome to the good guys.
BTW, registration is anathema to me, as it has been used by two major political organizations INSIDE THE US to confiscate lawfully owned firearms subsequently made illegal. That was the "assault rifle" grab in NYC, and the great SKS screwup in California, where well meaning people attempted to use the amnesty to register, only to find out the amnesty was invalid, and now Big Brother knew where thier rifles were.
I live in Free AZ, no registration.

 

[Deanimator]

Now I am beginning to realize that others motives for requiring registration are not so pure.

Anybody who thinks registration is benign needs to tell me (in detail, and with references) what I need to do in order to LAWFULLY move to Chicago with my handguns.

A few years ago, my mother who at the time still lived in the city limits of Chicago asked me what I'd do if she couldn't take care of herself anymore. I told her I'd be happy to let her move in with me, but that under NO circumstances would I EVER live in Chicago again. I'm not just pitching thousands of dollars worth of handguns, and the only alternative would be to shoot it out with one of the Chicago PD's thuggish "gun teams".

If anybody says registration's harmless, feel free to tell them I said they're a filthy liar.

 

[Deanimator]

That is certainly a very real benefit of registration. I don't think it should be mandatory, but perhaps voluntary registration should be an option for this purpose.

If registration WEREN'T mandatory and you reported the gun stolen and it was recovered, they WOULDN'T return it? How's THAT work?

Registration has ONE purpose, facilitation of future bans and confiscation. See Chicago for the primary example.

 

[rainbowbob]

If registration WEREN'T mandatory and you reported the gun stolen and it was recovered, they WOULDN'T return it? How's THAT work?

Deanimator: That is an excellent point! Of course they should be able to return a stolen firearm if it is reported stolen and identified by serial number. Which makes registration completely unecessary, doesn't it? I'm so glad we have this forum to inform each other and think these things through.

The door-to-door "home safety" checks (gun grabs) that are going on now in D.C are a great indication of what gun registration can do for us.

 

[ZeSpectre]

Many of them clearly believe that only the government can be trusted with firearms

The grandest irony about that belief that the anti's have is they really do believe that while completely failing to realize that the mysterious figure known as "the government" is comprised of thousands of tiny working parts commonly known as PEOPLE. Who are exactly the same as the PEOPLE that the anti's fear as irresponsible and dangerous <sigh>.

 

[Deanimator]

The grandest irony about that belief that the anti's have is they really do believe that while completely failing to realize that the mysterious figure known as "the government" is comprised of thousands of tiny working parts commonly known as PEOPLE.

Actually the GREATEST irony is that the VERY same people who are always foaming at the mouth at how we live in a "police state" under Bush and Chaney, want to give that very SAME "police state" an absolute monopoly on the means of armed force. It's like complaining about all the sharks allegedly seen at the beach, then slashing your arms and legs with a razor blade and running headlong into the water, splashing like a wounded seal.

Somebody's either really stupid, really dishonest, or BOTH.

 

[ZeSpectre]

Somebody's either really stupid, really dishonest, or BOTH.

Well for some hoplophobia definitely comes into play. I know one such person. She can't even be around sharp kitchen knives, literally has a phobia about it. Terrific lady otherwise and therapy seems to be helping but I honestly don't know how her husband deals with it.

 

[briansp82593]

Well for some hoplophobia definitely comes into play. I know one such person. She can't even be around sharp kitchen knives, literally has a phobia about it. Terrific lady otherwise and therapy seems to be helping but I honestly don't know how her husband deals with it.

ook mustafa
lol
i play a very active role in supporting the 2a, hell ive even converted 3 antis- really anti gun people, but i taught them the basics, showed them that just by owning a gun doesnt kill 800 little kids from miles away, it wasnt easy though

 

[Corporal K]

One of my buddies got his first gun 3 years ago and became Wyatt Earp overnight (nice guy, but you know the type). I mentioned to him on a few occasions that he should join the NRA.
His response was: "I don't need to. We're guaranteed the right to own guns by the constitution."

I gave up. He's too clueless.

 

[Huddog]

Welcome to the light rainbowbob.