I was refused a gun

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mookytx

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I went to a gun store friday and wanted to buy a gun. I do not have a current drivers license. The store said I have to have a drivers license to buy a gun. They refused to sell me the gun So in Texas do you have to have a drivers license to buy a gun? I do not think that is right.
 
ATF Form 4473 Section B is filled out by the seller.

20a Identification (e.g., driver's license or other valid government-issued photo identification.) (See Instruction to Transferor 1.)

1. Know Your Customer: Before a licensee may sell or deliver a firearm to a nonlicensee, the licensee must establish the identity, place of residence, and age of the buyer. The buyer must provide a valid government issued photo identification to the seller that contains the buyer's name, residence address, and date of birth. The licensee must record the type, identification number, and expiration date (if any) of the identification in question 20a. A driver's license or an identification card issued by a State in place of a license is acceptable.
 
You have to have a state issued photo ID or a federal photo ID and some proof of residence to verify you are a resident of the state.

For all they know you could be some BATFE Fast and Furious goon.
 
mookytx I went to a gun store friday and wanted to buy a gun. I do not have a current drivers license. The store said I have to have a drivers license to buy a gun. They refused to sell me the gun So in Texas do you have to have a drivers license to buy a gun? I do not think that is right.
When buying a firearm from a licensed dealer, Federal law requires that you provide a valid (not expired) "government issued, photo ID". It must show your name, date of birth and current residence address. A combination of government issued documents may be used.

A drivers license is the most common "government issued photo ID".
 
Only state or fed picture ID. You could have been carrying a passport and some other proof of residence.

Remember that if you want something the requires an ID and you don't have a driver's license or some other state photo ID like a carry permit the onus is on you to have enough info on you to satisfy the clerk since you're the one breaking from the norm.
 
Pretty sure anyone can get a non driving state issued photo id. I know you may not like it, but there is no real reason for you not to have at least the non driving ID. Very nominal price for one, and I can't imagine you can make it very lnog with out one. If you need to cash a check or do any bank transactions you have to have one.
 
Get a state issued ID card. It works just fine, and you can use it to fly, buy a gun, anything you use a DL for EXCEPT for driving.

I have homes in 2 states and have (obviously) a DL in one state, and got a state ID for the second state just to be able to buy guns in that state.
 
Texas used to have an ID similar to the license, issued by DPS but not a motor vehicle operators permit. We used to get them in the Army to not have to give up an income tax friendly state residency or carry around orders to use with our Government ID for firearms purchases.. That would work for you.
 
Why should you have to prove that you are who you asy you are? Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the accuser (the state) to prove that you are not who you say you are?
 
Wouldn't bother me in the least if DWI were a disqualifying offense. If you're willing to drive drunk, you probably aren't responsible enough to own a gun.
 
Why should you have to prove that you are who you asy you are? Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the accuser (the state) to prove that you are not who you say you are?

You are kidding right?
 
I have homes in 2 states and have (obviously) a DL in one state, and got a state ID for the second state just to be able to buy guns in that state.

So if I buy a house in each state (except CA of course), I can get a state issued ID and buy guns in that state? Do I have to own property or just reside there part time?
 
The Texas ID card is $15.00. Get it at the drivers license office.
 
My wife was refused a sale becuse her drivers license had our PO box on it instead of our home address. After a trip to DMV all was good after that and she got her gun.
 
Why should you have to prove that you are who you asy you are? Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the accuser (the state) to prove that you are not who you say you are?
Not quite sure if this is a serious post, but should a liquor store be the one to have to prove that a 14 year old is not 21? Using your logic my 4 year old daughter would be able to belly up to a bar and throw a few down
 
Why should you have to prove that you are who you asy you are? Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the accuser (the state) to prove that you are not who you say you are?

I am just going to assume that Owen was kidding with that one
 
Wouldn't bother me in the least if DWI were a disqualifying offense.
If and only if the legal limit was 0.0% - which wouldn't bother me in the least. What WAS good intention of targeting DWI turned in to a cottage industry over the years - a money-maker for the system and a drum for politicians to pound. I'm a firm believer in "24 hour bottle to throttle" rule for driving as well as flying. But denying 2nd ammendment rights over a 0.08? Negative.
 
Why should you have to prove that you are who you asy you are? Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the accuser (the state) to prove that you are not who you say you are?
Because it's not a court of law. Use your head.
 
So if I buy a house in each state (except CA of course), I can get a state issued ID and buy guns in that state? Do I have to own property or just reside there part time?

Only reside there part time, to fulfill Federal requirements.

27 CFR 478.11:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...iv8&view=text&node=27:3.0.1.2.3.2.1.1&idno=27

Example 2:

State of residence. The State in which an individual resides. An individual resides in a State if he or she is present in a State with the intention of making a home in that State. If an individual is on active duty as a member of the Armed Forces, the individual's State of residence is the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located. An alien who is legally in the United States shall be considered to be a resident of a State only if the alien is residing in the State and has resided in the State for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of sale or delivery of a firearm. The following are examples that illustrate this definition:

Example 1. A maintains a home in State X. A travels to State Y on a hunting, fishing, business, or other type of trip. A does not become a resident of State Y by reason of such trip.

Example 2. A is a U.S. citizen and maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. A resides in State X except for weekends or the summer months of the year and in State Y for the weekends or the summer months of the year. During the time that A actually resides in State X, A is a resident of State X, and during the time that A actually resides in State Y, A is a resident of State Y.

Example 3. A, an alien, travels on vacation or on a business trip to State X. Regardless of the length of time A spends in State X, A does not have a State of residence in State X. This is because A does not have a home in State X at which he has resided for at least 90 days.
 
The Amish buy firearms all the time and obviously thay do not have drivers license and very few have photo ID. We even have Amish owned sporting goods stores that are FFL registered. You might be somewhat surprised how many Amish own handguns.
 
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