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I was wrong...we are failing in Iraq...

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Drjones, Apr 8, 2004.

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  1. Drjones

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    I recieved this in an email and thought it was interesting. Subject to verification of course, but I thought it would make for interesting discussion here...

    Oh, and I wonder why we never hear about this stuff on the news... :rolleyes:
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    Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1:

    The first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active duty (~60,000 Iraqis providing security to citizens).

    Nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning.

    The Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.

    Power generation hit 4,518 megawatts (Oct), exceeding prewar output.

    All 22 Universities & 43 technical institutes/colleges are open

    Nearly all primary and secondary schools are open.

    Coalition has "rehabbed" 1,500+ schools (500 ahead of schedule).

    Teachers earn from 12-25 times their former salaries.

    All 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.

    Doctors salaries are at least 8 times what they were under Saddam.

    Pharmaceuticaldistribution has gone from almost zero to 12,000 tons.

    Coalition has helped administer 22 million+ vaccinations to children Coalition has cleared 14,000+km of Iraq's 27,000km of weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This project has created 100,000+ jobs for Iraqi men & women. Coalition has restored over 3/4 of prewar telephone services and 2/3+ of potable water production. and 4,900+ full-service telephone connections (~50,000 by year-end). Commerce is expanding rapidly (bicycles, satellite dishes, cars, trucks, etc) in all major cities and towns.

    95% of all prewar bank customers have service and first-time customers are opening accounts daily.

    Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.

    The central bank is fully independent. Iraq has one of the world's most growth-oriented investment and banking laws.

    Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years.

    Satellite TV dishes are legal.

    Foreign journalists are not on "10-day visas" paying mandatory fees to the Ministry of Information for minders. There is no such Ministry.

    There are 170+ newspapers.

    Foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.

    A nation that had not one single element - legislative, judicial or executive - of a representative government, now does. In Baghdad alone, residents have selected 88 advisory councils.

    Baghdad's democratic transfer of power (1st in 35 years); city council elected its new chairman.

    Iraqi Chambers of commerce, businesses, schools and professional organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.

    25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in Iraq's history, run the day-to-day business of government. The Iraqi gov't regularly participates in international events.

    Since July the Iraqi gov't has been represented in 24+ international meetings, including UN General Assembly, the Arab League, the World Bank, IMF and the Islamic Conference Summit. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced that it is reopening 30+ Iraqi embassies worldwide.

    Shia religious festivals (all but banned) are no longer illegal.

    For the first time in 35 years, in Karbala, thousands of Shiites celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.

    The Coalition has completed 13,000+ reconstruction projects, large and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq.

    Uday and Queasy are dead, and no longer feeding Iraqis to the zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation, torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games, or murdering critics. Children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree with the government.

    Political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

    Millions of long-suffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.

    As a side effect, in neighboring countries, (1) Saudis will hold municipal elections, (2) Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents, (3) Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms, (4) The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded (first time) to an Iranian (Muslim woman) who speaks out for human rights/democracy & peace.

    Saddam is gone.

    Iraq is free.

    Little or none of this information has been published by the Press Corps that prides itself on bringing you all the news that's important. Iraq, under US lead control, has come further in six months than Germany did in seven years or Japan did in nine years following WWII. Military deaths from fanatic Nazi's and Japanese numbered in the thousands and continued for over three years after WWII victory was declared. It took the US over four months to clear away the twin tower debris, let alone attempt to build something else in its place.

    Now, take into account that many people in our government and media continue to claim on a daily basis on national TV that this conflict has been a failure. Taking everything into consideration, even the unfortunate loss of our sons and daughters in this conflict, do you think any other country in the world could have accomplished as much as the United States and its coalition partners have in so short a period of time?

    Karl Nielson LT, CHC, Chaplin, USNR
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  2. 10 Ring Tao

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    While I can't vouch for any specific numbers, I can relay what my brother (served for a year in iraq with the 173rd airborne) told me.

    He said the growth has been incredible. When they first jumped in, there was nothing, as if the infrastructure just disappeared. When he left in the early part of march, it was a basically functioning place, and had come a very long way.

    So, while that doesn't support all those numbers in the email, it does go against the cries of the media that we have utterly failed in iraq.
     
  3. fix

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    I spoke with a contact in Baghdad late last night who was having a double whopper combo meal for lunch...at Burger King. No media in sight. They were all out trolling for bad news. He said he expects the media to set up shop in the BK in less than a month, if Kerry gets elected, to do a special report on the immediate success of the "Kerry Doctrine." :rolleyes:
     
  4. Gary H

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    We will be able to declare victory when only Iraqi dead are burried. This means that Iraqis fight for their own freedom and that American service men and women are able to sleep in safety. That whole area is a basket case and it is a real shame that Carter and some of those that followed failed to do what they promised, ie.. disengage from the Middle East and become energy independent. Lots of political B.S. from all, but little action. Now don't say "nuclear", the radiation might just kill you.
     
  5. SodaPop

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    The Bush Administration will be out of excuses after June 30th.

    Why does June 30th still seem so far away..:(
     
  6. HBK

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    Iraq is a lot better off, thanks to the United States. If it was up to France and Germany, they would still be under Hussein's rule getting tortured to death. It would have been fine with me to turn it into a nice big hole in the ground, but we went beyond that and actually improved the place. Too bad Hussein squandered all that oil for food money on palaces, he could've helped build them a decent infrastructure. :rolleyes: Stupid dictators...now if we could do something about all the foreigners coming in and causing trouble.
     
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    Oh, yeah, well, Johnny Ketchup served in Vietnam!
     
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    No, if it was up to France the Middle East would be a nuclear wasteland right now as Saddam would have had nukes by now, provided by them of course.
     
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    It does an American proud. [​IMG]
     
  10. R.H. Lee

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    So what? We have found no WMD, Bush lied, and this is another Vietnam.

    Ted (hic) Kennedy told me so.:rolleyes:
     
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    Are you sure Kerry served in 'nam? I've heard rumors to that effect, but has he ever actually confirmed it?






    :p
     
  12. HBK

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    Ah, Wondernine, I forgot the French were providing Iraq with WMDs. One more reason to loathe their country. Of course, we never found the WMDs, which leads not to the question those on the left are so fond of posing (Did Bush Lie?) but the really important one. Where are they? Syria anyone?
     
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    The question isn't "did he serve?" He was there for a whole four months. The question is WHO did he serve? He certainly helped the North Vietnamese with his senate testimony and did our missing POWs no favors.
     
  14. idd

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    It is indeed interesting. Check out what Snopes had to say about it. "An Iraqi citizen whose response to this piece was published on the Voices in the Wilderness web site maintains that some of the information presented is true, but much of it is inaccurate or misleading."
     
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    Confirm press lack of interest

    My kid said that they have tried repeatedly to give press people tours of some of the engineering battalion's work on the schools and infrastructure.

    No one is interested. They all want to be "War Corrspondents" in the mold of Edward R. Murrow and Ernie Pyle (no wait, they were honest and reported on our own troops)

    Hey, speaking of progress, what ever happened to the "looted museums" and the "5000 years of culture lost because Bush didn't have a plan for Baghdad"?

    I guess it went in the same box as the "vicious Baghdad house to house fighting we weren't trained for that was going to result in thousands of American casualties".

    I'd pay good money for a blooper reel of Nancy Pelosi, Kerry, Schumer, Rangel, Ted "The Swimmer" and the rest of those weasels making their dire declarations and then modifying them as time goes by and they're proven wrong, counting on the fact that none of their newsie buddies would ever embarrass them with facts.

    Why is it that some people can't wait to declare a failure and quagmire at the drop of a hat. Isn't this the fifth offical "Democratic Quagmire" decree since last year?

    Thank the lord that Roosevelt at least had the fortitude to stay the course. He might have been the last Dem with a spine and some vision beyond the next election results.
     
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    According to Coalition chief Bremer, unemployment that was at 60% not too long ago is now down to 10% in Iraq. Don't know if that is true or not but with everything opening back up and all the construction and re-construciton going on, it may be plausible.
     
  17. Michigander

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    :D Now that says it all!!! Thanks idd.:D
     
  18. feedthehogs

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    Some of my close friends kids who have served in Iraq have kept in touch with me over the year and sent numerous updates on the redevelopment of Iraq.
    They are so excited about what is happening and that they have been a part of rebuilding Iraq into a free nation.
    They know there are some who want to kill Americans but the majority of people welcome and support us and it is done for them.

    They have commented that the fighting amongst the politicians is down right childish and that they have lost sight of the work being accomplished over there.

    I just hope that this country and its politicians will stand tall and firm and see this thru to the end.

    I am proud to be an American.
     
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    Democrats have put themselves in the position that if something is bad for the country as a whole, it is good for Democrats. Conversely, if something is good for the country, it is bad for the Democrats. Thus, most everything they say is negative and they are compelled to make things look as bad as they can. And they have a liberal press to assist them.

    Kind of a disgusting position to be in. :uhoh:
     
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    From other reports I have seen the original post may not be 100% correct, but its pretty close.

    The Iraq Provisional Authorith does have info on its website about current status. I did a quick look, and some of the status is better than that what the original article above said.

    Iraq Reconstruction status reports
     
  21. Drjones

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    Thank you for providing a link with a differing view, but I find it amusing how many people hold up snopes to be an absolutely infallible source of information.

    More often than not, someone will post something, someone else will post a snopes link "debunking" the original post, and everyone goes "oh," failing to pause and think that snopes could, *gasp* be wrong as well.

    Just an observation. :)
     
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    A poignant one. "[My Trusted Source] said it, I believe it, that settles it." Sometimes one trusts sources merely because they reinforce preconceived notions. That tendency is always a stumbling block towards understanding the world.
     
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    I will consider it a victory when Americans stop dying for people unable to civilize themselves.

    I don't think Iraqis will be able to pull off legitimate, free self government anytime in the near future. As soon as we leave, they will degenerate back into fascism.
     
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    Has snopes been proven wrong yet? Let me know, will ya?

    Furthermore, as for failing in Iraq, I guess I'm just as informed and misinformed as anyone esle. But a picture is worth a thousand words:

    [​IMG]

    Sure don't think this goes towards success.

    Makes ya proud to be an American, doesn't it?! :fire:
     
  25. Nightcrawler

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    I have a sneaking suspicion that that's Lance Corporal Boudreaux standing right there, and he intended this to make his friends chuckle. I verymuch doubt that he actually killed that boy's father or impregnated his sister.

    How the press got ahold of it, who knows.
     
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