I wish I could get my Hurricane Katrina donation back!

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first off all my post is related to this thread,the threadstarter thought the people of new orleans were stupid to re elect nagin,i think americans were stupid to re elect bush




clinton did not bring us to iraq,netheir would have gore

gas was 1.00 to 1.50 under clinton ,2.00 to 3.00 under oil man bush

the biggest terriorist attack in this countrys history happened under bush's watch,not clinton

i have no problem with halliburton getting contracts if they earn them,problem is they are overcharging the taxpayers for thier work,mishandleing funds(bush and chaney pockets). Did i mention they were getting them as NO BID CONTRACTS.i guess that is to be expected when the president...i mean vice president is the former ceo

i would rather college students in need getting my tax dollars then halliburton,the tax breaks the oil companies got from bush,the tax breaks the rich got from bush,and the 500 billion spent on a needless war

oil companies are more profitable then they have ever been,and bush is giving them tax breaks.unbelievable
 
American By Blood, I'd suggest reading a bit more about this supposed tradition you're talking about. Saying that the 60s were corrosive to culture is really odd when all it did was introduce new cultural meaning to America. We were out of the post-war propaganda and running full speed away from the scare tactics of McCarthyism.
Just remember that the policies implemented in the 60's were put in place by our "Greatest Generation."

To be more on-topic, I'd be more interested in this whole thing if it weren't for the racist mayor on a silly power trip. For all I care, New Orleans can sink into the gulf. I've got Sin City...I don't need the Big Easy.
 
They lived in NO pre-Katrina because they liked it that way.
Now they're doing everything they can to restore it to previous conditions.
Go figure.
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Some things never change... reminded me of this:

"To bring these people to reason!" thundered our first American governor, William Claiborne, "we’ll have to train the cannons on them and batter down the walls of the city!"

Claiborne was writing to his boss, Thomas Jefferson, who’d just bought us at Bonaparte’s fire sale for a song. The good governor was in a sputtering rage after witnessing his first Mardi-Gras. This prim Puritan almost fainted when he learned that his new office was the very building where the odious Spanish Inquisition had held court! The only such place in North America!

Louisiana had been Spanish for the previous 40 years. Those Popish fiends, reeking of incense and clad in those sinister robes and hoods, Claiborne gasped! And right down the hall.

Actually the Inquisition never hassled anyone here. People laughed at them, like at Claiborne. Earlier the Ursuline nuns almost threw up their hands. The French government sent them over with the urgent mission of taming the wilder passions running amok in this woebegone swamp settlement. "The demon here possesses a vast empire!" wrote home one of the shaken nuns in 1722, " these women are extremely ignorant as to the means of securing their salvation!"

Louisiana’s first settlers arrived mostly in chains. The jails of Paris disgorged their rogues, scoundrels, strumpets, and wastrels into New Orleans. They set the tone for generations to come. So be it. Claiborne’s letter to Jefferson’s letter went on. "They are indolent and utterly corrupt!....ill-fitted to be useful citizens of a Republic!"

We still do that to Beltway types.
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LOL! Indolent and Utterly Corrupt! The Nawlins slogan since the 18th century! :neener:
 
Not all of the idiocy afflicting Nawlins is homegrown...

A friend in the swamp tour business offered government officials his employees and his fleet of airboats to help evacuate flooded New Orleanians. His ten boats were lined up and ready to launch, along with dozens of other volunteer craft. These boats spent six exasperating hours being inspected by FEMA officials. In the meantime flood waters rose to rooftops all through New Orleans. The FEMA inspection was for all the same horrible hazards as the Coast Guard and Game & Fish inspect our boats when they interrupt our fishing and hunting trips: life preservers, fire extinguishers, etc.

Finally a FEMA official proclaimed: "NO!" Many of the boats were deemed unfit to be used. They could not help rescue desperate people. These boats may have been perfectly seaworthy and had able-bodied owners perfectly anxious to donate their efforts to the rescue – what they lacked were: THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF LIFE PRESERVERS. One per potential rescuee presumably, as required by Coast Guard. Even ghastlier, the FEMA folks explained, some rescuees may have been forced to sit on the floors of some boats, which were also deficient in number of seats, one per rescuee, presumably again.

So instead let's allow people to drown, hunh, Mr. FEMA person!

Then the few volunteer boats who passed the inspection were only allowed to rescue people until nightfall. The swamp tour owner defied the order and brought out 100 (very grateful) people that night on his own.

Another acquaintance owns a food wholesale business. He offered the $2.5 million worth of food in his warehouse to feed desperate hurricane victims. Four Army helicopters started revving their rotors, prepared to fly in and start hauling out the food.

Then an FAA official stepped in and nixed the mission. The food warehouse, you see, was located within a mile of a NASA facility...
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I wonder if it occurred to FEMA that the people wouldn't have life jackets either way, and maybe it's better to have a boat and no life jacket than no boat and no life jacket?
 
Now, I feel for the people of Mississippi who are the FORGOTTEN real victims of hurricane Katrina.
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Yeah, media attention has been almost totally on NO. Not much has been said about the gulf coast of Mississippi. Heck, I don't even know how they're doing over there. They got the brunt of the storm after all, not NO. It was not the hurricane that caused problems in NO, it was the stupidity of building a dike around a hole in the ground and putting homes and businesses in it, man's folly. Now, I live on the gulf coast. I'm on a bluff about 22', but I can see upper Lavaca Bay on my porch. Carla didn't get to this property, so I feel rather safe from storm surge, but one like Katrina might have gotten it if the winds didn't. I've ridden out a cat 2 hurricane. It's a scary experience. I totally sympathize with the people of the Mississippi coast, but I STILL think local government is the court where the ball is first and foremost. FEMA has no business responding until after the fact to set up low interest loans. Let local responders, the coast guard, maybe the military/national guard handle the details. You don't seen too many Mississippians crying over FEMA's troubles, it was all to do with NO. I think that's a political thing, personally. NO is heavily democratic, predominantly black, and of COURSE they're going to pass the buck of blame to a republican federal administration and being Democrat, they are socialist by nature anyway and believe in centralization of power and think the federal government should run our lives and think they have no personal responsibility for their own welfare. This is not the predominant political reality in Mississippi OR in Beaumont/Sabine Pass Texas, where people are more self sufficient/reliant, and more independent minded.

All the carpet baggers came to NO after the storm, the Jesse Jacksons and Louis Farrakhan and the like. What do you think they were doing there, trying to help storm victims? :rolleyes: They were there specifically to attract media and blame it all on the Bush administration and take the heat off Nagin, the governor and local officials who are all Democrats. It's politics, people. If you live for your party and tow the party line, you won't see the forest for the trees, I reckon. But, politics is why we never seem to hear about Mississippi, it's all about NO.
 
So if an idiot is in office, the people don't deserve your help?
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If an idiot is in office, the odds are the truly needy won't get much if any of your help in the first place. It's going to end up in the pockets of some conman, like Ray Nagin.

If Nagin gets reelected, it's like the Palestinians voting for Hamas. They're free to make a choice. I'm free not to subsidize it.

I wouldn't give a penny that had to pass through any governmental entity in Louisiana, much less New Orleans. You might as well just go along with every Nigerian "419" scam that hits your inbox.
 
gas was 1.00 to 1.50 under clinton ,2.00 to 3.00 under oil man bush

Milk was 10 cents a gallon under FDR
and a cold beer was 5 cents under U.S. Grant
I remember gas as 25 cents or so under Eisenhower.
 
Just a thought. Of all the folks posting on this thread hardly any if any has first hand knowledge about what really happened after Katrina which incidentaly went by NO and made land fall in Mississippi. About 90 % of my relatives live between NO and Mobile, AL and I have been to the coast several times since the NO flood, one of my sons and one of my grand sons are now working at the gas pumping station at Chelmete which is east of NO so I have a little knowledge about the situation there.:rolleyes:

My point is that it is common knowledge from one end of the coast to the other that the feds are the ones who screwed up and are continuing to perform in an incompetent manner, :banghead: not just in NO but across Mississippi and Alabama. They immediately placed blame on the locals, the media picked it up but very few of the locals bought thier speil.:rolleyes:

As far as federal assistance to the folks on the coast is concerned, be aware that those people have paid taxes, same as any of us, for all of their lives to insure such help would be forthcomming if ever needed, if is the purpose of FEMA, and it is nothing that anyone personnaly is providing.:neener:

Perhaps the locals have a better feel who can do the best job of rebuilding than do poorly informed "foreigners.":D
 
Media.

I have been to New Orleans several times over the years prior to Katrina. On my first trip I came away with the opinion the "Big Easy" was a dump, packed with welfare deadbeats, shiftless businesses and crooked cops, all being supported by corupt polititions. Each subsiquent visit has only served to strengthen that opinion:cuss: I know there are some very honest, hard working folks there who lost everything and need help. However, they are so few, they are lost in the crowd. Now to the subject of the National Media. How many broadcasts have you seen showing what is going on along the Gulf Coast of Mississippi and Alabama:confused: Very few, if any. Why is this? These areas were devistated as well. Mostly because they were inhabited by employed, contributing, responsible members of society. Most owned their property and had it properly insured -vs- "Big Easy" loafers who live strictly on the public dole. Since they were responsible, contributing members of society, they got off their asses and went to work cleaning up and rebuilding, whereas "Big Easy" loafers, are so accustomed to the government doing everything for them, along with paying for it all, they just continue to sit on their asses and wait for the government. Now, were the media to show the hard working folks of Mississippi and Alabama getting on with their lives and making progress toward rebuidling their towns, the rest of America would realise just how shiftless and corrupt the majority of "Big Easy" people actually are and maybe, just maybe, not be quite as willing for our national polititions to send so much of our hard earned money to the loafers of the "Big Easy". The nickname say's it all! :neener: :neener:
 
Only thing I can figure is its because hes black.


Kinda like D.C.'s Mayor years ago getting caught on camera smoking crack, and he got re elected later on.
 
My point is that it is common knowledge from one end of the coast to the other that the feds are the ones who screwed up and are continuing to perform in an incompetent manner, not just in NO but across Mississippi and Alabama. They immediately placed blame on the locals, the media picked it up but very few of the locals bought their speil.

As far as federal assistance to the folks on the coast is concerned, be aware that those people have paid taxes, same as any of us, for all of their lives to insure such help would be forthcomming if ever needed, if is the purpose of FEMA, and it is nothing that anyone personnaly is providing
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Show me in the constitution where taxes should be used for hurricane relief, much less buying stereos for low riders, free handouts to the displaced. :rolleyes: Show me where the feds have any responsibility for local problems other than to provide for defense and to regulate interstate commerce. That is supposed to be why we pay our taxes, not to bail out hurricane victims with hand outs. I have nothing against FEMA stepping in and writing low interest loans to those who can't get immediate credit and were under-insured. I really thought that was FEMAs primary job responsibility, not that there is anything in the constitution about FEMA.:rolleyes: Keeping people housed and fed is not the responsibility of the federal government. Keeping them free and sovern is the reason for a federal constitutional government.

But, I am FOR FEMA writing low interest loans to those who need to rebuild. I have no problem with FEMA and low interest loans. I do have a big problem with giving tax payers money away no strings attached. I do believe in survival of the fittest and I also believe in people helping people out, especially family. If I had family down there, heck, if I had friends down there, I'd go out of my way to help 'em. That's what family is supposed to be about. I am not one to see a problem and just throw money at it. :cuss:

And, how is it my responsibility to use MY tax dollars to rebuild a city I think ought to be abandoned in the first place? When Port O'Conner, Texas was wiped out 35 years ago, not a dime of federal money helped out a citizen and it got built back again. Oh, the Corps of Engineers had to re-dredge the intra-coastal canal, but that's interstate commerce.
 
the city of new orleans was not destroyed by a hurricane,if was destroyed by the failure of the levee system built by the goverment

the people of louisiana paid taxes to have thier levee system built by the federal goverment

they paid taxes for those levees to be maintained

the port of new orleans is problebly the most important port in this country

the companines who use those ports also pay taxes and fees so that new orleans is safe for shipping ,thats why the city was built in the first place

when those levees failed the goverment is partly to blame

it would have cost 12 billion to completely redue the levee system,but they dont have the money because they are spending 500 billion in iraq
 
they paid alot less then was needed

dispite the numerous warnings that the levees were degraded and outdated,

the government paid for patch work,they got what they paid for
 
Lone gunman, it is my understanding that money for the levy system was cut from the 2002 budget by the GWB administration.
 
Lazy racist socialist thieving bums elect a lazy racist socialist thieving bum.

Makes perfect sense to me.

I don't want my $20 back. It is far better for me to give it than for them to spend it.
 
I thought the money for levee repair before Katrina had been appropriately allocated, but the state of Louisiana chose to use it for things other than the levee system.
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Like putting it in their pockets.:rolleyes:

New Orleans flooded because it's built in a hole next to a river below sea level by the sea in hurricane country.:rolleyes: Don't mess with mother nature or stuff will happen, levy or no levy. Yeah, the port's important. Should be moved up river and NO abandoned IMHO.
 
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