I wonder if they have a contest for guns...

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Deputies compete in arrest contests
Southeast L.A. competitions were meant to boost morale, official says. Baca calls them a well-meaning but ill-conceived idea.
By Scott Glover and Matt Lait, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
October 4, 2007
Participating in sports such as football, weightlifting and boxing has long been part of the culture within the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. But deputies have recently been playing some new games -- on-duty enforcement competitions that have police watchers across the country crying foul.

One recent competition, described in an internal Sheriff's Department e-mail obtained by The Times, was called "Operation Any Booking." The object was to arrest as many people as possible within a specific 24-hour period.

Other one-day competitions have included "Operation Vehicle Impound," a contest aimed at seizing as many cars as possible. And another challenged deputies to see how many gang members and other suspected criminals could be stopped and questioned.

The prize for winning was nothing more than "bragging rights," said Lt. James Tatreau, who helped organize the events that involved teams of deputies patrolling the southeast Los Angeles cities of Lakewood, Bellflower, Paramount, Artesia and Hawaiian Gardens. The station is one of 23 that make up the nation's largest sheriff's department.

"It's just a friendly competition to have a little fun out here," Tatreau said. It was Tatreau who sent the e-mail about the booking contest Aug. 15. Tatreau said he viewed the games, which began in July, as a morale booster for overworked deputies who, because of staffing shortages, are required to work four overtime shifts a month.

But police accountability experts, civil libertarians and defense attorneys condemned the practice, saying that it trivialized traumatic encounters such as arrests and having a car impounded, and raised questions about deputies' motives in taking such actions.

Hubert Williams, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Police Foundation, which promotes innovative policing strategies, called the competitions "highly problematic and inappropriate."

"The arrest is one of the most potent tools in the possession of law enforcement and should be used with great thought," Williams said. "It's not a competition or a game."

Others, including Los Angeles County Public Defender Michael P. Judge, worried that the games might also prompt deputies to make illegitimate arrests to boost their statistics.

"Certainly, it calls into question whether there was a legitimate reason to book any of the people who were booked during the time of the competition," Judge said.

"It's crazy," said Jane White, the associate director of the National Center for Community Policing. "I'm at a loss for words. I've never heard of anything like this before."

After being called for comment by The Times on Wednesday, Sheriff Lee Baca said he spoke with the Lakewood station lieutenant. Baca called the competitions a well-meaning but ill-conceived idea that promoted "the wrong values."

"We train deputies to be independent thinkers and leaders," Baca said. "The lesson learned here is that -- whether it's for morale purposes or to increase productivity -- law enforcement is not the kind of service where you can dictate the activity.

"We're not into numbers, we're into quality," he said. "I don't think it will occur again."

Operation Any Booking did not result in an increase in arrests on the day of the contest, according to records provided to The Times in response to a public records request. The cities reported a combined total of 28 arrests, which was equal to the daily average that month.

The impound competition, however, appears to have dramatically increased the number of vehicles seized, records show. On average, deputies in the five-city area hauled away 4.7 cars a day in July. On the day of the contest, July 11, they impounded 37 vehicles -- which owners could not recover until they paid a towing fee.

Deputies in Lakewood seized 18 vehicles that day, half the total they would impound over the course of the month.

The number of field interviews with gang members and other suspected criminals also soared during the contest to increase that particular enforcement activity. Tatreau said the spike occurred because some deputies had fallen out of the habit of doing that intelligence gathering.

Before he was contacted by Baca, Tatreau said he stood by the idea to encourage deputies' productivity and had been encouraged by deputies who liked the competition.

"They were pumped and excited," Tatreau said. "I've never got any negative feedback. It's not a quota or review system. It's a morale booster."

Like every station, Tatreau said, there are "good, hardworking deputies and there are the lazy guys." He said he was trying to encourage the less motivated deputies to get more involved in proactive police work.

Tatreau said he joined the Lakewood station about 18 months ago and noticed that some deputies weren't pulling their weight. Some patrol deputies made 15 to 20 arrests a month, while others made seven arrests in an entire year, he said.

"It frustrates me that people are so against doing work and cry foul," he said.

Tatreau said he was "almost certain" that he was the one who came up with the original idea to have deputies compete, but that he did so with the approval of his captain.

On the day of the contests, a sheet of paper was posted in the watch commander's office where deputies reported their activity. At the end of the 24-hour period, the team results were tallied.

"We're not doing anything wrong," Tatreau said. "No way, no how did anyone encourage officers to falsify a report or an arrest."

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In Washington State the top ticket writers for the state patrol get a model of their cruiser or motorbike. Great for morale or great for the state treasury , you decide.

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A little more on Sheriff Baca's boys from the LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-sheriff5oct05,0,2875633.story?coll=la-opinion-leftrail
Who can make the most arrests?
Arrest contests by L.A. County sheriff's deputies are just part of a string of recent missteps.
October 5, 2007

Quotas on arrests or citations are never a good idea, and are illegal for California traffic officers, but the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department has been doing the next worst thing. A Times investigation discovered that the department has been holding informal competitions among deputies since July to see how many people they could arrest in a 24-hour period, or how many vehicles they could impound.

A contest that encourages officers to boost arrests without regard to their qualityleads to abusive police conduct and public cynicism. Aside from the obvious fact that it could prompt questionable arrests by officers eager to win, it could taint some criminal cases. Indeed, on Thursday, the county public defenders office launched an investigation into the arrests made during one of the contests, and may challenge them in court. The organizer of the contests, Lt. James Tatreau, says they were simply an effort to motivate deputies, and the award for winning was nothing more than "bragging rights." Good-conduct citations are a more fitting motivational tool.

To his credit, Sheriff Lee Baca stopped the contests after he was informed about them by a reporter. But why did he find out about them from The Times, which learned of the contests from an internal Sheriff's Department memo?

Baca operates the nation's biggest jail system and oversees about 8,000 deputies. The scale and complexity of his agency are such that he usually gets the benefit of the doubt when, say, a jail inmate is improperly classified and ends up strangling his cellmate, as happened in May; or a celebutante sentenced to 45 days in jail is released after less than four, as happened in the Paris Hilton case in June; or auditors reveal that sheriff's executives have been accepting expensive gifts and entertainment from a jail contractor, as happened last week.

These things do start to pile up, though. In addition to the above, Baca has failed to break up a disturbing, gang-like clique of deputies in Lynwood even though the same station was hit with multimillion-dollar lawsuits for similar activity in the 1990s, and his claims of poverty as an excuse for not fixing overcrowding in the jails have worn thin in the face of ever-larger budget allocations from county supervisors. Whether the Sheriff's Department is a rudderless ship or one that's too unwieldy for any captain to steer straight is an open question, but it's hitting too many rocks.
 
real nice, saw this a few days ago
the lovely part

well LA may not be this way but in some cities here, being SUSPECTED of DUI is reason for impound.
oh, even better- in Oakland get arrested or suspected of picking up a prostitute, IMPOUND.
a guilty party, fine take their car.
but what happened to innocent until proven guilty?

especially the way the girls work in East Oak, you could be in line at a burrito truck and end up in cuffs,
drop off your actual girlfriend and lose your car
 
If they follow the law to a T and truly make sure that everything is perfect, than how can anyone cry fowl?

If probable cause is present, paperwork and evidence are completed and produced and the law is followed, then no one can speak ill of this practice.

Aggressive enforcement may be unpopular, but it is by no means illegal, especially if done properly.

Surely there may be a public outcry on the fact of officers making a game/contest out of the situation, but I see nothing wrong with this.

AND to cover my bases, any officers found doing anything illegal or underhanded to effect more arrests, should be dealt with accordingly. Just as any other arrest.



If the cops weren't doing their jobs, the same activist groups would be complaining. There is no appeasing, there is no happy median.
 
As long as they're making arrests only when they have a good reason too, I don't see anything really wrong with this.

If they're actually breaking laws in order to get more arrests, then that's a totally different issue.
 
But the problem then becomes are they starting to enforce the law simply to enforce the law? And will the law be equally applied? Will profiling become a prevailant tool to LEOs who do this? What about the fact that this has the potential to create over aggressive officers?
 
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As long as they're making arrests only when they have a good reason too, I don't see anything really wrong with this.

Unfortunately, this isn't the way things work in the real world. Especially not with LAPD, which has a long, proud history of BATFesque abuse of its authority.

There are a lot of things wrong with this country today, and by and large, nobody cares enough to try and get most of those things changed.
 
I guess there is no problem if they are doing everything by the book. But then I would have to ask why they werent making these arrests before? Why do they need some sort of motivation to pursue these arrests?
 
I guess there is no problem if they are doing everything by the book. But then I would have to ask why they werent making these arrests before? Why do they need some sort of motivation to pursue these arrests?

Why are there incentives in any other profession? To improve performance or production.....Why do RKBA groups need to raffle of guns and hunting trips to raise money? Shouldn't everyone just donate because it's the right thing to do?

Why does the Red Cross give out T shirts and things for donating blood? Everyone knows that it's important to donate blood.

Police officers are human beings just like everyone else. They need to be motivated at times just like everyone else does.

Jeff
 
Ah but what if there was no crime that day? The incentives to sell something dont necessarily involve someone elses actions other than buying. If there is no crime then the incentive is meaningless. Something needs to occur for LE to respond whereas in sales or other professions they try to manufacture the desire in people to act.
 
Well, there is no such thing as "no crime that day." There is always something going on and always someone doing something wrong. Its just the nature of the job.

Something does need to occur for LE to respond, but thats just reactive policing.

Proactive policing by the means of random patrols, inspections of vacant buildings, staking out of drug areas and whatnot, result in plenty of arrests and are only as effective as the drive and motivation behind the officer.

If I had to sit on my butt waiting for calls all day I would go insane. But thats not to say that I get so bored that I go out and start "harassing" and looking for trouble so to speak. Looking for crime and turning something small into a crime are two entirely different things.
 
So can you prove that there is always crime?

You bet:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs2.asp?ChapterID=53

That's just the criminal code, add in the Wildlife Code, Liquor Control Act, the Vehicle Code and the various offenses buried in the other chapters of the Illinois Revised Statutes then look around you and tell me there isn't a crime being committed somewhere.

So police are not a responsive force but a proactive force? Or both?

Both. If they were strictly a responsive force they could sit in the station house and polish their cars like firemen. There are patrols that specialize in certain crimes just like there are patrols that specialize in traffic enforcement.

So what kinds of things are always being done wrong?

Click on the link above and read. I'm sure you'll find all kids of things that are always being done wrong.

Jeff
 
My question is why do they need to be more productive if there job is to enforce the law? They are supposed to do it anyway and incentives are wrong in my opinion as people depend on the police to enforce the law. If they are not doing it then they are not doing their jobs as they are in government service and should be held accountable. If they were producing something and there was profit to be made this would be different. However the money that comes in is not profit but fines/taxes/fees etc. that go to the government for enforcement of the law when it is broken. If they enforce it unequally (as in not all the time) then they are breaking the social contract that we have with the government.

Either they should enforce the law year round and should not be given an incentive to do their job or they should just not enforce the law as they were not doing it and the numbers were low (so some officers were doing their job effectively while others were not).
 
While you do make some valid points, you have to understand that we are not robots.

I cannot simply work at the same pace every day. I may not make as many car stops, arrests or investigations one day compared to another. I may not feel good, it may be a slow day, traffic may be considerably bad, i might be tied up doing something else etc. There are dozens of reasonable reasons why officers enforce laws at different rates and speeds.

The overwhelming and vast majority of cops, love their jobs and put 110% into it, regardless of how much they gripe and complain about menial stuff. A very small percentage just works and does whats needed to get by.

There shouldnt be an incentive to work harder, everyone should do it naturally. But thats not the way nature or society works. the human element is what effects all aspects of every job, and that includes law enforcement.

So when I take 20 minutes to myself to enjoy my coffee in the morning, the last thing I want to hear is that I should be out "policing."

I understand it raises many concerns because we are in charge of peoples lives and have a responsibility to the people we protect and serve.

But it all boils down to the people working the job. A little friendly kick in the ass to get more productive never hurt anyone. And if it does...I doubt any department would want to do it again. Liability is a bitch.

I really hope that made sense man.
 
If they follow the law to a T and truly make sure that everything is perfect, than how can anyone cry fowl?

Because they are human and they will make mistakes.
 
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