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I hope this does not come across the wrong way, but I was thinking today about all the posts and replys to posts that start out with "if I did not live in(this state ie; California) I would love to have that gun. Or if our state ever passes a ccw law this is the gun I would like to carry. what I wonder about is what keeps those of you who live in state that is unfriendly to gunowners and is probly more liberal than other states there?

just so you know I have lived in Colorado for 25 of my 36 years and have family here and own a business so I think I understand how hard it would be to leave that behind but as a conservitive cristian gunowner I am not sure I could live the rest of my life somewhere like califonia.

this is not meant to slam anyone I am honestly curios about what keeps you from moving.
 
well, i was discussing the subject with my sister (not a shooter), who asked, "gun laws? why would you move cause of that?"

it's a matter of priorities.
 
New Jersey IS a pain in the butt gun wise also insurance ,taxes and the cost of living in general is high. on the other hand, there are good paying jobs,I live by the ocean(which I realy enjoy) I'm a 45 minute train ride from NYC with its great resturants and Broadway,etc. when I retire in 2.5 years my wife and I intend to sell our home and move. We have friends in So. Carolina,Tenn.,Colorado and NewMexico,it will probably one of those states.one thing I will not miss is the traffic .
 
No disrespect intended - at all - but if I considered a move .. no way could it include .. CA, IL, MD, NY, NJ .. and even KS ... CCW is of prime importance IMO ... and for most part - figures support this.

Sad that there is not a national level edict to make this whole thing equal and uniform.
 
P95carry
I tried for years to convince my wife to move to Pa.specificly for the more liberal gun laws but she didn't want the longer commute .And she was right.(I'll never admit that ) the values of the homes in our area have increased dramaticly in the last few years,which will make our eventual relocation a lot easier
 
I live in Cal and just completed my CCW class and qual test and I'll be picking up the paperwork later this week.

I'll have my CCW in a matter of weks after that. Our CCW is pretty good. No carry in bars, jails or Fed property but other than that no restrictions. Schools, the Governor's Mansion, the Capitol Building, local gov offices are all green. Plus my CCW is recognized, though there is no reciprocity, in AZ and a few other states. So CCW is not the problem.

I stay because I have kin here that needs me. And I like the weather and I like the fact that Cal is an economic powerhouse even with all the socialist taxes regulations and nanny state crap that we have here.

Would I like or Patrick Purdy caused standard cap mag ban and pistol gripped EBR panic laws trashed? Yes I would. As well as the pistol drop test.

So I stay because right now, on the margin, it makes no sense to leave.
 
Mike - I see where you're comin from ... and true ... from all I hear property prices are soaring. I knmow someone else who has sold up in NJ in fact and now is relocating to PA .. similar rationale I think.

There's a welcome for you when it happens! :)
 
I know, you guys are all going to hate me (even though I think y'all are cool), as a liberal atheist firearms enthusiast, Washington State is PERFECT. Most per capita NRA members for any state, but enough liberals on the wet side of the mountain to keep you wackos (and I use the term endearingly. Some of my closest friends and family are conservatives) from doing too much that I wouldn't like. :)
 
California

As much as I hate the laws here in California I do have 1 thing that matters the most to me. My life.

Everything is here. My family. My Friends. I go to school here. And its what I'm used to.

How can I complain when I really dunno what else is out there in the world. Though I cant stop raving about my "gun experiences" in Arizona, its hardly enough for me to consider the move.

The bars are better here, the nightlife, and... as much as many of you might disagree.... I still like the female eyecandy here more also. :D

I'm used to the high taxes, I'm used to the BS politics, I'm used to the crappy gun laws.

And hell... I'm used to the fine women and beautiful weather we have here also! :p
 
My thoughts...

are that part of it is a 'sense of place' or home. A location grows on ya, you get familor with the environment and the culture, and are loath to leave it for someplace strange, even if its better in some or most repsects. Black Majik puts the same sense to other words. :)

I have that feeling for the Colorado front range, having spent 29 of my 40 years of this life here. I hated it here when my family was transfered in '75. No trees, no people, WAAYYY to much sky and the sunlight was much more intense than I was used to, made the shadows way too dark. But after a couple of years, it grew on me. Like an nasty skin condition. :D Going back east outside of Cincinnati felt claustraphobic. To many people, to many trees, not enough open sky.

regansquad: I've seen pics of the wet side of Washington, lovely place, and would love to do some real research on spiders there someday. No offense as being considered a 'wacko'. You liberal-atheist 'fruitcakes' :) help to keep life interesting/challenging. Not much fun debating with folks who agree with ya all the time.
 
A little side note on gun freedom.A couple of years ago my wife and I were in Arizona. I'm not sure of our exact location but I belive it was the big rez.I pulled over to get gas and the attendant who was standing by the side of the building with a 98k mauser was banging away at a 55gal. drum which was two or three hundred yards away.
I said(jokingly) if you did that where I come from youd go to jail.He said sounds to me like you are in jail.he then invited me to take a couple of shots,which I did.When I got back in the car my wife said what were you shooting at? I said a dog. She said WHAAAT? When I stopped laughing I told her the truth.about ten minutes later she punched me in the ribs and said.. a dog,......bastid
 
but enough liberals on the wet side of the mountain to keep you wackos (and I use the term endearingly. Some of my closest friends and family are conservatives) from doing too much that I wouldn't like.
AH! The most potent form of gun ownership, a THINKING , Responsible gun owner. I salute you.:)
 
Well gee, thanks guys. It just seems to me that if you look at the facts, places with an armed populace have lower crime. I also believe that owning a firearm is a fundimental American symbol in that the power lies with the people. I think ever willing, able bodied man of sound mind and body should own a rifle. In fact, when I become governor or Washington, I will introduce an executive order stating that any person 19+, with no criminal record, etc, after submitting to a background check, a brief personal interview, signing some paperwork and 1 Saturday of training, will be issued an sks rifle (and a trigger lock). The reason being that with a large number of Washington National guard overseas, what would happen in the case of a major insurgency or 'god' forbid, an invasion?

I defend my liberalism with the simple fact that nations with the most social programs tend to have the lowest crime rates and the highest average standard of living. I honestly believe that access to food and healthcare (especially for people under 18) should be a fundimental right. I'm not big on religion in public institutions, not big on censorship... And I have to say that trickle down economics don't work for one simple reason; the mega-rich have savings accounts, and they aren't affraid to stash their extra money in them. More money doesn't = more jobs, more demand for products does. Higher demand is better acheived by a more even distribution of wealth and resources (i.e. not giving 50% of all tax cuts to 2% of the population like some presidents do...) and a higher minimum wage. A lot of people debate the higher minimum wage, saying that it places an undue burden on employers. This, however is not taking into account that over 99.2% of minimum wage earners spend their entire income each month. That's righ, more minimum wage = more products purchased by minimum wage earners = higher demand = Clinton era economic boom. If anyone wants some exact numbers as related to economic policy VS US economic in the current presidency as opposed to the previous presidency, please let me know! I promise, no left wing spin.

And if all that isn't good enough, then *** is up with the patriot act!?

"AH! The most potent form of gun ownership, a THINKING , Responsible gun owner. I salute you."

"regansquad: I've seen pics of the wet side of Washington, lovely place, and would love to do some real research on spiders there someday. No offense as being considered a 'wacko'. You liberal-atheist 'fruitcakes' help to keep life interesting/challenging. Not much fun debating with folks who agree with ya all the time."
 
Sindawe;

Are you an entomologist? We have some nasty spiders over here. Giant house spiders on the coast, and agressives inland. I got bit by one of those agressives and it felt like a bullet wound. It went necrotic and I had a black scar the size of a quarter for 6.5 months (I didn't get it looked at and I'm lucky it didn't open up).
 
Do away with the background check and trigger lock nonsense, and you'll have a campaign contribution from me.


As for Cali. I stay, because if I leave, it'll be one vote worse for Cali gun owners.

As for the CCW system: Here2Learn, any system that requires "good cause" isn't good at all. Maybe you got lucky and got a non-corrupt sheriff, but that's NOT the norm in this state.


James
 
I am one of those "wet siders". I know the AMQA has degraded into a liberal cesspool, much to my dislike, but the gun laws here are actually pretty good. Shall issue being foremost. I really hate how most people think here, especially our politicians. And for Christ's sake, if you want to save the salmon, STOP EATING THEM. Sorry. Although the area has it's politcal shortcomings, my wife and I have very well paying jobs and it is just plain beautiful here. And the fishing cannot be beat.

And BTW, Reagan and Sindawe, we also have T. agrestis on this side. Hope to never be bit. Seen a lot of pictures of the bites. I think I rather would be shot.
 
ragansquad: I concur with thefitzvh, dispense with the background check and the trigger lock. If the person can be trusted on the street, they can be trusted with a rifle, IMAO.

Nope, not an entomologist, just very interested in spiders and their lifestyles. From your breif description, sounds like it might have been a Hobo spider that got ya, but thats just a lay opinion. You should have gotten it checked out though when it went necrotic or became more than a sore. Some spiders have very persistant venem and can cause big problems for years. Oh, got any pics of the big/aggresive beasties?
 
Here he is. I have found some as big as 3" in diameter, IN MY HOUSE. The Hobo is very similar but a little smaller. Technically, the Hobo is the only poisonous spider in WA. Some believe there are Brown Recluse, but according to a WSU entomologist, they do not live here well and are most likely just passengers. Oh, and to keep this gun related, the giant house spiders are fun to shoot.
 
I'm in Massachusetts primarily becasue I was born and raised (more or less) in the state, and settled here and started raising a family before I got "into" guns. It's hard to up and leave a great career, plentiful job opportunities and close fmaliy to be in a freer state.

Massachusetts would not be too bad if they got rid of that "approved gun list". Then it would just be another "may-issue" state. Not great, but not terrible. We even just got a Gun Owners reform bill passed, which reverses some of the shocking devastation that was done in out 1998 Firearm act. Other than that, there are no waiting periods, no maximum purchase rules, and few CCW restrictions (schools, courts).

However, given the choice of where to move, I would never move to a place that is more restrictive CA, or Hawaii, for instance. It turns out that we can't afford Massachusetts anymore anyway, so we WILL move within the year. the top choices are NH (Yaay, free state project! :D ) or Maine, where Ms. Jamz' family lives. We'll probably end up in Maine if I can find a decent job up there. If not, then NH gets us. :)

-James
 
The following applies only to me. I don't presume to speak for anyone else.

I live in Illinois. For a gun owner, this is not a friendly state in many ways.

However, I still live here for several reasons:

1. Family. If I weren't married with children, I probably, in all honesty, would have left by now. I don't need much in the way of possessions, and economics wouldn't have stopped me. I've got an old pickup that will easily haul everything I own that's halfway necessary. But I do have a wife, and she wants to stay close to my family, while staying within a days' drive of hers (it's not that she doesn't like her family, she just doesn't want them to be able to drop in on a half-hour's notice ;) )
My wife is also strongly tied to this house, which she described as a dream house when we bought it. Since then, I think the Money Pit charm has paled somewhat as she ponders her second winter in a house with no insulation, but it will still be hard for her to give it up.

2. Economics. Since I do have a family to support, it would cost me a lot of money to move. My wife likes her job a great deal and doesn't want to leave it--yet. I predict some chest-thumping from some he-men who would never let their women boss them around in such fashion, but in my experience, those stories often seem to start out "back when I was married, I . . . ." :) My wife doesn't run our life, but I do respect her and I do listen to her ideas. She's pretty bright and infinitely more practical than I.

3. In a republic, there is always hope. Illinois is going through some convulsions now, but often that's what it takes to make a change. Blagojevich, whose election was enough to make some gun grabbers crow that they were the majority, has done little on guns except run and hide as we push our agenda forward, and he's a guaranteed one-termer. If we can get a CCW bill out of committee during his term, we can perhaps force him to announce a veto (he likes to do that before bills even pass, for some reason) and tie that to his loss. That makes the next guy think twice. They probably won't believe that he lost because he vetoed CCW (Blagojevich is going to lose regardless) but they'll know it wasn't enough to help him.
Alan Keyes, if he can ever get a chance to express his point of view in the Senate campaign rather than fielding idiot questions about made-up counties, will bring the issue of guns to the fore in a way most candidates are afraid to do in Illinois. He's probably going to lose to Obama (the media campaign to hate Alan Keyes is amazing) but if anyone tries to tie that to his stance on guns, it will be easy to point out that whoever ran against Obama was limited to miracles anyway.


I still think about leaving sometimes. When I finish the Special Ed degree I'm starting this semester, I'll be a lot more mobile. My wife has the same degree (she just finished the same MS program I'm entering--it's polite to take turns.)
She does insist that if we move, we have to go somewhere with milder winters. My first choice, Indiana, is right out. I'm thinking Kentucky or Tennessee, although I've always wanted to live in Texas.
In the meantime, although I certainly sympathize with those who are leaving, I want to carry on a fight.
 
Many people have obligations (such as elderly parents) and non-portable careers that preclude us from moving just because of onerous antigun laws.

With a little creative effort you can often get exemption from many such laws.

Or you can work to get the laws changed. That's what some hardcore people (me among them) did here in Missouri, concerning CCW.

JR
 
I thought t. agrestis = hobo spider? If they don't live well here, why do I catch so many in my spider traps? :) hahaha

As far as the BG check and trigger locks go, they aren't mandatory to use. I don't see the issue with giving away free trigger locks. I know I use one because it was free. :). The only reason I'd do BG checks is because it'd be a state issued rifle, and the state has a responsibility to mark damn sure that it's not arming ex felons, etc. I dunno about bg checks for regular gun purchases. I'm neutral on that (as I have no criminal history. haha).
 
NRA4LIFE - Ah... I got it. God I hate those things. I swear, that bite hurt so bad that if I bumped it on something that I'd be on the floor rolling around in agony. When the blister popped after about 2 or 3 days, I almost threw up because of the huge stream of bloody pus oozing down my back. After it turned necrotic (didn't know this at the time) I started having really bad health problems like a high fever and liver issues. All of that lead to me getting mono. I almost flunked out of school.
 
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