IANSA Throws Down Gauntlet (37 days out)

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Well, more proof here that we need to export rkba to foreign lands to ensure future allies. IANSA will do their best to try to export civilian disarmament.

The NRA ain't runnin' no scam. Here's the proof.
 
(especially since two of the five, Russia and China are the worst offenders with regards to exporting small arms without controls)

Why would they be fazed by any convention banning small arms sales? I don't think either of them are deeply committed to the UN mission of peace and love. They'll do as they please, without fear of sanction since they have vetoes.
 
To all of those who actually believe the hooey that it doesn't matter because the UN has no power over us: You're living in a dream world if you don't think that the INFLUENCE of such disarmament plans & shenanigans won't spread like a cancer, from the U.N., to domestic lawmakers with actual power, just as sure as heat convects. This nonsense needs to be nipped in the bud, preferably by leaving the UN and kicking their headquartes out of our country.
 
It sure would be nice if some whackos would blow up the UN headquarters while this conference were going on.....

THAT would certainly send a message.....
 
It sure would be nice if some whackos would blow up the UN headquarters while this conference were going on.....

Oh, come on. You're playing right into the "TIm McVeigh" stereotype.

It will be much better if we manage to pull a "Brazil" and defeat this crap at the conference rather than create "martyrs to the gun lobby."
 
Diomed said:
Why would they be fazed by any convention banning small arms sales? I don't think either of them are deeply committed to the UN mission of peace and love. They'll do as they please, without fear of sanction since they have vetoes.

Diomed, this regarded IANSA's strategy to change the method of treaty approval to a simple majority of member nations that bypasses Security Council vetoes for the issue of sanctions under the Small Arms Treaty. I doubt any Security Council member will fail to exercise their veto when it comes down to being deprived of it.
 
I've been following the UN and global gun control thing for awhile.

While Clinton was president he supported all these UN gun control treaties and initatives.

Kerry would have been the same way. Period.

Notice how it says a ban on semi-automatic 'military style' weapons?

Did we not just have one in the US and restrictions on their import?

And how loosely is that interpreted?

Does it mean a standard Glock 17 with 10 round mag?

SKS?

Mini-14 as it was originally designed for LE and military work?

They really do want to impose Japanese-style gun laws world wide


Was not Rebecca Peters the woman who said only a single shot muzzle loading rifle be permitted and only for people who can really prove a need?
 
"I pledge my allegiance to the flag of the community of American, Soviet, and United Nations of the World, and to the principle for which it stands -- a nation, indivisible with others of the Earth, joined in peace, and justice for all." :barf:
 
Of these 1000 deaths every day, an average 560 are criminal homicides, 250 are direct war deaths; 140 are suicides, while 50 are accidents or cases of undetermined intent.

So as I see it,

250 deaths are from war. Removing civilian weapons does not disarm an army

560 deaths are from criminals. Disarming law abiding people does not stop criminals, who by their very nature do not obey laws

140 deaths are from suicide. Suicide rates are just as high in areas where guns are scare. people who want to kill themselves will jump from a building, overdose on drugs and alcohol, hang themselves, use gas, etc. Removing all weapons in the world will not lower suicide rates by much, if any.

50 deaths are from accidents or cases of undetermined intent.

So basically a little over 50 deaths a day (the 50 accidents plus a few of the suicides) MIGHT be lowered if we removed all guns from civilians. 950 or so deaths a day will still be there, except even more now that the populace cannot defend itself from criminals, and criminal goverments. I would imagine gun crime from criminals targeting and killing unarmed civilians would double or triple per day at a very minimum if civilians did not have guns to protect themselves with.

Many surveys have been done on how many times a year guns are used in SELF DEFENSE in the USA. Figures go from 800,000 to 2.5 Million a year. Even if we take a conservative 1 Million times a year figure, thats 2700 TIMES PER DAY, guns are used to defend a person. That 560 criminal gun death figure will shoot right up through the roof.


The 50 causes from accidents also is a pretty bogus figure when you look at general accident rates just in the US.

Leading Causes of Unintentional Injury Deaths United States, 2003
(Data from Injury Facts, 2004 Edition)

Motor Vehicle 44,800
Falls 16,200
Poisoning 13,900
Choking 4,300
Drowning 2,900
Fires, flames, and smoke 2,600
Suffocation 1,200

Just from the top 7 accidents (and no, gun deaths are not number 8) thats 85900 accidental deaths a year, or 235.3 a day in the USA alone (and thats just the top 7 I could find stats for) That means in America at least, you are about 5 times more likely to be injured in an accident from a car, falling, poinsoning, choking, drowning, fire, or suffocation than you are being shot ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD ACCIDENTALLY!!

Figure in the worldwide car accidents, falls, poisonings, chokings, drownings, fires, etc and I would bet death from gun accidents is not in the top ten of accidental deaths in the world.


Here is a scary subset of accidents just in America.

7,000 deaths occur each year due to medication errors in hospitals

12,000 deaths occur each year due to unnecessary surgery

20,000 deaths occur each year due to other hospital errors

80,000 deaths occur each year due to nosocomial infections in hospitals

106,000 deaths occur each year due to adverse effects to properly prescribed medications

Thats 225,000 people a year Doctors and Medical persons ACCIDENTALLY KILL. An average of 616.4 PER DAY!

That means you are 12 times more likely for a doctor, nurse, or perscription drug to kill you than an accidental bullet!

Statistiscs can configured to prove the point of who is presenting the figures. In the example above, I made it look like Doctors are more dangerous than weapons. In fact, in the USA, you are more likely to be healed and saved by our healthcare system than anywhere else in the globe. I would not trust the UN to provide true statistics for anything.

The USA needs to leave the UN, and kick those criminals off our shores. Many of the so called delegates are spies, and many of the so called UN officials are crooks and criminals.

If the UN was really interested in helping people, they would turn their attention to feeding the poor countries, not pocketing the oil-for-food money.
 
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IANSA, International Action Network on Small Arms,
considers the confiscation and destruction of 640,000
legally registered firearms from lawabiding owners in
Australia as a model for global gun control.
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IANSA are obsessed, dedicated and convinced they are right
and they will use the power of the UN against us if they can.
Rebecca Peters makes Carrie Nation look like a Girl Scout.

If anything, Wayne LaPierre is understating the threat we face.
 

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only 100 million people killed by thier own govts in the last 100 years.......Clearly a problem DOES NOT exist for the U.N. to do something about 3rd world dictators.:rolleyes: :banghead:

If my numbers are right 100 million killed in 100years is.......(thinking)

1 million killed a year which is

2740 people killed by thier own govts (in the last 100 years) A DAY!!!
thats 144 killed every hour.

about 2 people killed every MINUTE.

clearly not a problem that the U.N., the african union or the E.U. should address!!!:cuss:
 
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