Idaho to look at allowing CCW on campuses

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BOISE, Idaho — Idaho lawmakers are considering a bill that would strip the authority that administrators at public universities and community colleges have in keeping their campuses free of concealed weapons.

A bill introduced in the state Senate on Wednesday would require the State Board of Education to set rules allowing concealed weapons on campuses, as long as permit holders first notify school administrators.

Debate on the bill comes at a time when lawmakers in at least six other states have introduced legislation to loosen firearms restrictions by allowing students, staff or faculty to carry concealed weapons on campuses, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Supporters say the measures are inspired, at least in part, by a student movement that's emerged in the wake of the shooting spree at Virginia Tech last April, in which a student killed 32 people before committing suicide.

Since then, the Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, which now counts more than 10,000 members, has been pushing states to open up concealed weapons laws at colleges and universities as a way of allowing people to react to violence.

Many states forbid holders of concealed weapons permits from carrying weapons on school campuses. In states where the decision is left to the universities, most schools prohibit the weapons. So far, Utah is the only state with a law that allows concealed weapons on public university campuses. Kentucky, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia and Washington are all considering similar laws.

Within days of the Virginia Tech shootings, University of Idaho engineering student Aled Baker started a Students for Concealed Carry on Campus chapter. Now with more than 130 members, the group played an active role in persuading GOP lawmakers to introduce a bill to prevent school administrators from restricting concealed weapons on campus.

"Virginia Tech was a primary example of why we need to allow people the right to defend themselves," Baker, a junior who helped write the bill, told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

"The discussion started among myself and my peers," he said. "We were saying, 'That's ridiculous what happened.' And we could have mitigated the situation, reduced the number of deaths. You can't always prevent these things. You could maybe cut down on them."

Sen. Curt McKenzie, R-Nampa, agreed to sponsor the bill, which was introduced in the Senate State Affairs Committee. The bill also has the blessing of the National Rifle Association.

"The creation of a gun-free zone is not going to stop terrible things from happening within those zones any more than laws against murder are going to stop murder," Brian Judy, the NRA's Idaho liaison, told lawmakers.

The bill is also designed to curtail attempts by cities and counties to regulate guns in public places, and pre-empt any attempt at the local level to pass ordinances restricting the sale, acquisition, storage and transfer of firearms and ammunition.

Existing state laws regulating weapons at courthouses, jails and elementary and secondary schools would remain in place.

During debate Wednesday, some Republicans questioned whether the bill goes too far.

Sen. Brad Little, R-Emmett and the party's caucus chairman, criticized a provision that would strip cities and counties of authority to regulate shooting galleries and ranges.

"I'm afraid this would have a chilling effect on the establishment of good safe areas for people to shoot," Little said. "I think it's going backward from the way you want to go."
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for those of you who were involved in the movement to allow CCW on college campuses...thank you.
 
More reason for optimism.South Dakota(tabled for now).Idaho follows.
A hopeful trend.
 
If this law passes it would be like saying "the right of the people [including college students] to keep and bear [carry concealed] Arms, shall not be infringed [made illegal]." What an inspired idea! Why has no one thought of it before? :rolleyes:
 
If this law passes it would be like saying "the right of the people [including college students] to keep and bear [carry concealed] Arms, shall not be infringed [made illegal]." What an inspired idea! Why has no one thought of it before?

Because the Idaho constitution expressly states that open carry shall not be infringed, but that reasonable laws regarding concealed carry are okey-dokey; so therefore, laws must be put into place to further define the concealed carry limitations.
 
Because the Idaho constitution expressly states that open carry shall not be infringed, but that reasonable laws regarding concealed carry are okey-dokey; so therefore, laws must be put into place to further define the concealed carry limitations.

My reply was more tongue-in-cheek rather than an actual quandary, but I have to say that if I were to drop by BSU with a 1911 on my hip I dare say my right to "open-carry" would be quickly infringed.
 
My reply was more tongue-in-cheek rather than an actual quandary, but I have to say that if I were to drop by BSU with a 1911 on my hip I dare say my right to "open-carry" would be quickly infringed.

Heh, sorry. Got a tad carried away. Welcome to THR.

And there was a news bit about an open carrier who was harrassed on the campus about a year and a half ago... something like that. Can't find the link offhand though...
 
And Just over here in WA State... .GOV wants to restrict it...

So I will be able to carry at U of I in Moscow... but not at WSU...

The rediculous thing about WSU, say I'm on Stadium way on my way through Pullman to BlockBuster and I get pulled over... now that road, a fairly large road that bypasses most of the town of Pullman, and the WSU Police see firearms in my truck, well then, now I may be in deep poop!


Oh what fun we have with silly laws....
 
Registered sex offenders and convicted murderers

Are able to go to school.
But CCW'ers with background checks and training can't ....amazing but true.
 
I get pulled over... now that road, a fairly large road that bypasses most of the town of Pullman, and the WSU Police see firearms in my truck, well then, now I may be in deep poop!

You would be able to contest it, and probably win. As long as you had the right to transport a firearm, in whatever method you were, elsewhere in the city, and since you're on a through street and on your way somewhere off-campus, you are not bound by rules regarding campus restrictions (i.e. 1000ft rules, etc). It might cost you to fight it, but you'd probably win.
 
now let's see this is TX. Unfortunately graduate research facilities are still considered college campuses.:mad:
 
Idaho... potatoes and guns. Yummy.

And th' wimmin folk aren't too bad, neither!


Though I happen to be marrying a tried and true Virginian belle who already knows how to shoot and take care of her man, lucky me!
 
If there are any UI students still on the boards (I think there were a couple) who haven't heard yet, there will be a panel discussion on the issue:

What: Senate Bill 1381 Allowing students with concealed weapons permits to
carry firearms on campus
Where: Renfrew Hall Room 111
When: Wed. Feb 13th, 2008 from 4:00-5:30 PM

I'll probably be popping down for a few minutes on my coffee break to see what kind of turn out there is.
 
Popped over to the panel discussion for a few minutes on my coffee break. My hubby is attending the whole panel and he'll let me know how things went. I was quite impressed with the student who started Vandals for Conceal Carry on Campus. Well spoken and knowledgeable. There is also a Law School prof and a student who doesn't want guns on campus. It was being recorded, not sure who and where it will be shown. Wish I could have stayed for the whole thing.

The bill has been temporarily withdrawn for some changes to it, I think in regards to Idaho Fish & Game.
 
I skipped a class tonight to attend it. There where several well made points, several emotional reactions, and a few questions, comments, and arguments that I wasn't exactly sure which side they where taking.
 
WAID, JeanC,

thanks for attending the discussion forum in Renfrew today. I was not able to attend myself. Would you say the crowd was mostly for or against the bill?

keep me posted.
 
grizfire I was actually surprised it seemed to be fairly even numbers on both sides, at least more so than I had expected it to be. There where of course the usual stereotypes, although those seemed to be mostly on the against CCW side. One foreign student from England was extremely upset at the thought of any of us even owning guns. Which brought up the concern that students would avoid Idaho schools if CCW was allowed on campus. I'll be keeping an eye out for the recording of it.
 
Which brought up the concern that students would avoid Idaho schools if CCW was allowed on campus.

Do people regularly avoid Utah schools because of this? How much would it really hurt the state to have those students go to school elsewhere? A lot? Some? I dunno. I'm sure Illinois has some good schools that that foreign student can go to because it's much safer there.

Besides, there are lots of private colleges and universities that can still ban handguns on their campuses, so while this is a good step in the right direction, it still doesn't address every students' needs.
 
Sage it also doesn't address those that might choose Idaho over other schools because of it(which was also brought up). In all honesty the thought had never really crossed my mind when I applied for schools.
 
If I understand it correctly, the impetus for this bill came from Mike Brown of the Lewiston Pistol Club. He has started a new organization - the Idaho Sport Shooters Alliance which can be found here -

http://blog.idahossa.org/default.aspx?page=admin

One post on the blog lists the state senators who are on the committee hearing the bill. I have written to all of them, and if you are an Idaho resident, I would strongly recommend you do the same.

The bill not only enhances carry rights in Idaho, it also protects shooting ranges.
 
ARRGGHHHH!!!!!

From yesterday's Lewiston Trib:

Campus gun ban bill disarmed
After public hearing, sponsor withdraws measure before it comes to vote, sparing some senators political discomfort

By Dean A. Ferguson of the Tribune
February 14, 2008


BOISE - Even after unloading a controversial attempt to allow firearms on all Idaho's college campuses, a bill forbidding local governments from banning guns misfired Wednesday.

"Sometimes principle and political compromises -which are both parts of the process - collide," said Senate State Affairs Committee Chairman Sen. Curt McKenzie, R-Boise.

After a public hearing, comments from the nine-member committee made it clear the bill needed work. McKenzie, the primary sponsor, withdrew the bill before it was put to a vote.

The move proved kind to Senate President Pro Tem Robert Geddes, R-Soda Springs, who didn't have to vote against the National Rifle Association-backed bill.

"I live in a district where voting against an NRA piece of legislation is a serious consideration for me," Geddes said.

Geddes told the Lewiston Tribune his Caribou County constituents in southeastern Idaho often don't leave home without their guns.

When he stopped at a Pocatello Wal-Mart to have his car oil changed, the clerk wouldn't do the job until Geddes signed a statement declaring he had no gun in his car. Wal-Mart has a policy of not working on cars with guns in them. The clerk said workers have learned that cars with "3C" license plates most likely have guns stowed inside, Geddes said.

"You can see how critical the issue is to my constituents," Geddes said.

Even before taking public testimony, McKenzie told the committee he was dropping colleges and universities from the bill. He agreed to the change at the urging of Gov. C.L. (Butch) Otter and university and college presidents.

Jon Hanian, a spokesman for the governor's office, said Otter had talked to McKenzie about the guns on campus provision.

"I can confirm that McKenzie and the governor did talk and the governor did raise some concerns about that," Hanian said. "We were told that they would be addressed."

At the hearing, representatives for Boise State University and the University of Idaho thanked McKenzie for leaving the schools alone.

"We are appreciative of what you are planning to do and will support that effort in any way we can," said Marty Peterson, special assistant to UI President Tim White.

Former House Speaker Bruce Newcomb, who works for BSU, noted next year's NCAA basketball playoffs in Boise would be jeopardized if the school let guns on campus.

"The NCAA has rules that prohibit firearms at any playoff event," Newcomb said.

But some students weren't happy.

Al Baker, 21, a UI engineering student, said students are at the mercy of crazed gunmen.

"We sit there as sitting ducks waiting and hoping some madman doesn't come and kill us," Baker said.

Baker, who is president of UI's chapter of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, said he will try to pressure lawmakers to bring the guns on campus issue back.

"I would rather have the chance of an accident than have to sit in a classroom while someone comes along and executionally-style kills us," Baker said.

Even though McKenzie pledged to drop campus provisions, the bill could have other consequences by forbidding other governments or boards from regulating firearms, said Idaho Fish and Game spokeswoman Sharon Kiefer.

If passed, the new law could nullify hunting regulations regarding weapon types for hunting seasons, she said.

McKenzie will rework the bill and plans to bring it back for another hearing.

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