Radagast
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springfield30-06:
Your Model 29-2 was manufactured in 1973.
Your Model 29-2 was manufactured in 1973.
Identity and Date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers
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Offspring
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a) .38 S&W Special Ctg
b) 4"
c) Square
d) 6 but I only load 5 due to hammer mounted firing pin.
e) iron fixed front is big blade rear is channel in top of strap
f) C5415XX
g) Mod-10
This one has a beautiful bright black shiny finish that is only marred by holster wear I think it was someone's duty piece. It says "Made in U.S.A" so was made before Smith sold the model down south.
Thanks !!
b) 4"
c) Square
d) 6 but I only load 5 due to hammer mounted firing pin.
e) iron fixed front is big blade rear is channel in top of strap
f) C5415XX
g) Mod-10
This one has a beautiful bright black shiny finish that is only marred by holster wear I think it was someone's duty piece. It says "Made in U.S.A" so was made before Smith sold the model down south.
Thanks !!
harley 1986
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Question, just picked up a used Smith appreciate any info on age of this Stainless Revolver
a) .357 mag
b) 4"
c) square
d) 6
e) adjustable
f) 39 k49XX
g) 66-1
THanks..
a) .357 mag
b) 4"
c) square
d) 6
e) adjustable
f) 39 k49XX
g) 66-1
THanks..
Radagast
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hedghog23:
Your .38 Military & Police / Model 10-5 was manufactured in 1968. the -5 refers to an engineering change on the tapered barrel version.
Offspring:
S&W revolvers are still manufactured in the USA, your .38 Military & Police / Model 10 dates to the 1961 or 1962, serial range for those years was C474149 to C622699.
If it is a 10-2 then it is probably from 1961 and has a tapered barrel,
If a 10-3 it is likely from 1961 and has a heavy barrel.
If it is a 10-4 then it was from 1962 and has a tapered barrel.
If a 10-5 it is also from 1962 and has a tapered barrel.
If a 10-6 it is from 1962 and has a tapered barrel.
harley 1986:
Your Model 66-1 Combat Magnum dates to the period 1978-1979.
Your .38 Military & Police / Model 10-5 was manufactured in 1968. the -5 refers to an engineering change on the tapered barrel version.
Offspring:
S&W revolvers are still manufactured in the USA, your .38 Military & Police / Model 10 dates to the 1961 or 1962, serial range for those years was C474149 to C622699.
If it is a 10-2 then it is probably from 1961 and has a tapered barrel,
If a 10-3 it is likely from 1961 and has a heavy barrel.
If it is a 10-4 then it was from 1962 and has a tapered barrel.
If a 10-5 it is also from 1962 and has a tapered barrel.
If a 10-6 it is from 1962 and has a tapered barrel.
harley 1986:
Your Model 66-1 Combat Magnum dates to the period 1978-1979.
harley 1986
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Radagast, thanks appreciate the info!
Gato Montés
Member
I got a double for ya!
#1.
a) .38 Special
b) 4"
c) Square
d) 6
e) Fixed
f) (H) 190XX (H is above S/N)
g) M&P (Pre-Model 10)
#2.
a) .38 Special
b) 4"
c) Round
d) 6
e) Fixed
f) CDA71XX
g) 64-6
Thanks in advance!!!
#1.
a) .38 Special
b) 4"
c) Square
d) 6
e) Fixed
f) (H) 190XX (H is above S/N)
g) M&P (Pre-Model 10)
#2.
a) .38 Special
b) 4"
c) Round
d) 6
e) Fixed
f) CDA71XX
g) 64-6
Thanks in advance!!!
Radagast
Member
Nasser:
Gun A, if the serial number is 190xx, is a .38 Military & Police 1st Model, manufactured between 1899 & 1902. Serial range was 1 to 20975. If it is this version then the locking lug on the barrel at the end of the ejector rod will be missing, as this now common feature was introduced on the second model. The barrel should be marked ".38 S&W Special CTG & US Service CTG".
If there is a H in front of the serial number, then the gun should be a .32 caliber Model 30 or 31, not a .38 Military & Police.
If you took the serial number from the cylinder yoke cut out then you are probably quoting an assembly number, used to track parts in the factory and not the serial number. Check on the bottom of the grip frame as the serial number is always marked there, although it can be duplicated in the yoke cut out and on older guns, under the barrel and on the cylinder.
Gun B, the Model 64 / .38 Military & Police Stainless, dates to between January 1998 (CCWxxxx) & January 1999 (CDBxxxx). Late 1998 seems likely.
Gun A, if the serial number is 190xx, is a .38 Military & Police 1st Model, manufactured between 1899 & 1902. Serial range was 1 to 20975. If it is this version then the locking lug on the barrel at the end of the ejector rod will be missing, as this now common feature was introduced on the second model. The barrel should be marked ".38 S&W Special CTG & US Service CTG".
If there is a H in front of the serial number, then the gun should be a .32 caliber Model 30 or 31, not a .38 Military & Police.
If you took the serial number from the cylinder yoke cut out then you are probably quoting an assembly number, used to track parts in the factory and not the serial number. Check on the bottom of the grip frame as the serial number is always marked there, although it can be duplicated in the yoke cut out and on older guns, under the barrel and on the cylinder.
Gun B, the Model 64 / .38 Military & Police Stainless, dates to between January 1998 (CCWxxxx) & January 1999 (CDBxxxx). Late 1998 seems likely.
Gato Montés
Member
...yep, that's exactly what I did. My bad.
I actually don't have this pistol on hand (at the folks house). I did snag the S/N from the grip, but I think I may have left out the lettered prefix, so I don't know how useful it will be.
S/N ~ 1118XX
I can tell ya the pistol is an M&P, 4" tapered/pinned barrel complete with ejector rod locking lug, fixed sights with the half moon front blade, and it has 38 S&W CTG on the barrel. I believe it was purchased late 40's, early 50's.
Thanks again there guy. I didn't think I'd get a response till AT LEAST after 8 in the morning! I feel as if I should be paying you or something...
Radagast
Member
I'm in Australia, so I answer this thread in the evening here, morning in the USA due to time zone differences.
If the barrel is marked .38 S&W CTG and not .38 S&W Special CTG , and it is a six shot revolver, then you have a .38/200 British Service Revolver from World War II or later. This became the Model 11 in 1957.
The majority of these were manufactured with a five inch barrel, but 4 inch barrels did occur.
If serial number is V1118xx, then it was manufactured between 1942 and 1945, most likely in 1942 or 1943.
If the serial number is C1118xx then it was manufactured between 1948 & 1951.
If the barrel is marked .38 S&W Special then it could be:
serial number 118xx = .38 Military & Police Model of 1905 2nd Change, manufactured between 1906 and 1909.
Serial number V1118xx = Victory Model manufactured between 1942 and 1944.
Serial number C1118xx = .38 Military & Police (Post War), also known as the Pre-model 10, manufactured between 1948 and 1951.
If it is a 5 shot revolver marked .38 S&W CTG then it is a .38 Regulation Police manufactured between 1949 and 1957.
If the barrel is marked .38 S&W CTG and not .38 S&W Special CTG , and it is a six shot revolver, then you have a .38/200 British Service Revolver from World War II or later. This became the Model 11 in 1957.
The majority of these were manufactured with a five inch barrel, but 4 inch barrels did occur.
If serial number is V1118xx, then it was manufactured between 1942 and 1945, most likely in 1942 or 1943.
If the serial number is C1118xx then it was manufactured between 1948 & 1951.
If the barrel is marked .38 S&W Special then it could be:
serial number 118xx = .38 Military & Police Model of 1905 2nd Change, manufactured between 1906 and 1909.
Serial number V1118xx = Victory Model manufactured between 1942 and 1944.
Serial number C1118xx = .38 Military & Police (Post War), also known as the Pre-model 10, manufactured between 1948 and 1951.
If it is a 5 shot revolver marked .38 S&W CTG then it is a .38 Regulation Police manufactured between 1949 and 1957.
TheGrouch
Member
a) .32 Long
b) 3" bbl length
c) round
d) 6
e) Fixed
f) 576*** (all numeric)
g) n/a
b) 3" bbl length
c) round
d) 6
e) Fixed
f) 576*** (all numeric)
g) n/a
Radagast
Member
TheGrouch:
You have a post war .32 Hand Ejector, also known as the Pre-model 30.
Serial range started at 536685 in 1948 and and had hit 640980 by 1956.
In 1953 a change was made from the I frame to the Improved I frame. Ths meant deleting the strain screw in the front of the grip frame and the screw in the frame just above the front of the trigger guard. So if these screws are present your gun dates to 1948-1953. If missing, 1953-1956.
In 1957 the .32 Hand Ejector became the Model 30.
You have a post war .32 Hand Ejector, also known as the Pre-model 30.
Serial range started at 536685 in 1948 and and had hit 640980 by 1956.
In 1953 a change was made from the I frame to the Improved I frame. Ths meant deleting the strain screw in the front of the grip frame and the screw in the frame just above the front of the trigger guard. So if these screws are present your gun dates to 1948-1953. If missing, 1953-1956.
In 1957 the .32 Hand Ejector became the Model 30.
Radagast
Member
clstw1:
1948 to 1951. Serial range was C1 to C223998, so 1948 seems likely The grips are not original to the gun and appear to be hand carved. I don't think the nickel finish is original either, the gun appears to have been buffed before refinishing, but I am not an expert on this. Basically it's a shooter, not a collectors piece.
1948 to 1951. Serial range was C1 to C223998, so 1948 seems likely The grips are not original to the gun and appear to be hand carved. I don't think the nickel finish is original either, the gun appears to have been buffed before refinishing, but I am not an expert on this. Basically it's a shooter, not a collectors piece.
Gato Montés
Member
I just got back from the folks house and it did indeed have a C prefix. Thanks again for all your help.
windsor311
Member
I have two please:
#1
a) .32 Winchester CTG
b) 5"
c) Round
d) 6 shot
e) trench style rear, fixed blade front
f) 4152x on butt, 8613 stamped in small digits when you open cylinder where model would be
#2
a) 38 S&W Special Ctg
b) 4"
c) Square
d) 6 shot
e) trench rear, ramp front
f) D8004xx
g) 64-1
Also has some numbers stamped on yoke behind cylinder opposite model number
Great Thread, Thank you
#1
a) .32 Winchester CTG
b) 5"
c) Round
d) 6 shot
e) trench style rear, fixed blade front
f) 4152x on butt, 8613 stamped in small digits when you open cylinder where model would be
#2
a) 38 S&W Special Ctg
b) 4"
c) Square
d) 6 shot
e) trench rear, ramp front
f) D8004xx
g) 64-1
Also has some numbers stamped on yoke behind cylinder opposite model number
Great Thread, Thank you
Radagast
Member
Windsor311:
Gun #1 is a .32-20 Hand Ejector Model of 1905 2nd Change manufactured between 1906 and 1909 in the serial range 33501 to 54200.
8613 is an assembly number used to track parts in the factory and irrelevant once the gun was completed.
This gun predates the modern internal hammer block safety. Because of this it would be prudent to leave the chamber under the hammer empty if the gun is kept loaded. It also predates heat treating of cylinders and should never be fired with old hi-speed ammunition designed for the 32-20 rifle. Personally I would stick to lead cowboy loads.
Gun #2 is a .38 Military & Police Stainless and dates to the period 1975-1976.
The -1 part of the model number refers to the heavy barrel variant.
Gun #1 is a .32-20 Hand Ejector Model of 1905 2nd Change manufactured between 1906 and 1909 in the serial range 33501 to 54200.
8613 is an assembly number used to track parts in the factory and irrelevant once the gun was completed.
This gun predates the modern internal hammer block safety. Because of this it would be prudent to leave the chamber under the hammer empty if the gun is kept loaded. It also predates heat treating of cylinders and should never be fired with old hi-speed ammunition designed for the 32-20 rifle. Personally I would stick to lead cowboy loads.
Gun #2 is a .38 Military & Police Stainless and dates to the period 1975-1976.
The -1 part of the model number refers to the heavy barrel variant.
windsor311
Member
Thank you kind Sir........... much appreciated
Offspring
Member
Radagast from Offspring - how do I tell if my Mdl 10 is a - 3 or 5 or whatever? The revolver doesn't tell anywhere.
I'm really releaved that SW still makes the revolvers in the USA. I had heard that they sold off the rights to the old models to some manufacturer in South America. I now feel even better about my old friend - goes with me a lot. It may be a little under caliber but it will do its job if I do mine. Thanks for the info.
I'm really releaved that SW still makes the revolvers in the USA. I had heard that they sold off the rights to the old models to some manufacturer in South America. I now feel even better about my old friend - goes with me a lot. It may be a little under caliber but it will do its job if I do mine. Thanks for the info.
Radagast
Member
Offspring:
The model number is stamped on the frame in the cut out for the cylinder yoke (crane). It will say Model 10, Model 10-1, Model 10-2, etc. The '-x' refers to an engineering change. If there is no -x after the Model number then you have a tapered barrel model 10, these were produced from 1957 to 1961. The -1 was introduced in 1959 with the heavy barrel. The -2 in 1961 changed the ejector rod thread from right hand to left hand. The -3 made the same change on the heavy barrel version and changed the front sight width. In 1962 the -4 deleted the screw in front of the trigger guard on the tapered barrel, the -5 changed the front sight width on the standard barrel and the -6 deleted the frame screw in front of the trigger guard on the heavy barrel version. There were no more engineering changes until 1977 with the -7& -8 variants. By 2002 S&W were up to -14 with the internal trigger lock.
IIRC S&W sold Taurus the original machinery used in Brazil to produce their revolvers, which may be the basis of the story you are thinking off. You will find many threads on this and other forums where people moan about the quality of S&Ws going downhill, but the fact is that S&W quality is fairly good these days, the use of metal injection molded parts means that there is a set standard of quality, you won't get a work of art lovingly put together by a craftsman, but nor will you get a gun hand fitted by someone with a hangover whose wife just cheated on him.
Guns with problems do still leave the factory, but I've yet to see the inconsistency that I've noted with some guns from the seventies or early eighties. For what it's worth, your revolver dates to a period when S&W quality control and craftsmanship is considered by many to have been at it's highest.
The model number is stamped on the frame in the cut out for the cylinder yoke (crane). It will say Model 10, Model 10-1, Model 10-2, etc. The '-x' refers to an engineering change. If there is no -x after the Model number then you have a tapered barrel model 10, these were produced from 1957 to 1961. The -1 was introduced in 1959 with the heavy barrel. The -2 in 1961 changed the ejector rod thread from right hand to left hand. The -3 made the same change on the heavy barrel version and changed the front sight width. In 1962 the -4 deleted the screw in front of the trigger guard on the tapered barrel, the -5 changed the front sight width on the standard barrel and the -6 deleted the frame screw in front of the trigger guard on the heavy barrel version. There were no more engineering changes until 1977 with the -7& -8 variants. By 2002 S&W were up to -14 with the internal trigger lock.
IIRC S&W sold Taurus the original machinery used in Brazil to produce their revolvers, which may be the basis of the story you are thinking off. You will find many threads on this and other forums where people moan about the quality of S&Ws going downhill, but the fact is that S&W quality is fairly good these days, the use of metal injection molded parts means that there is a set standard of quality, you won't get a work of art lovingly put together by a craftsman, but nor will you get a gun hand fitted by someone with a hangover whose wife just cheated on him.
Guns with problems do still leave the factory, but I've yet to see the inconsistency that I've noted with some guns from the seventies or early eighties. For what it's worth, your revolver dates to a period when S&W quality control and craftsmanship is considered by many to have been at it's highest.
messerist
Member
Here is my data:
A) .357/.38spcl
B) 4" bbl
C) Square grip
D) six-shot
E) red ramp front sight. adjustable rear
F) There are two sets of numbers under the crane 91991 and ADY6501
G) 686
Thanks for the help.
A) .357/.38spcl
B) 4" bbl
C) Square grip
D) six-shot
E) red ramp front sight. adjustable rear
F) There are two sets of numbers under the crane 91991 and ADY6501
G) 686
Thanks for the help.
Radagast
Member
messerist:
ADYxxxx is the serial number, this is the number that S&W and gun shops will have recorded. 91991 is an assembly number used to track parts in the factory, it is irrelevant once the gun is complete.
Your 686 dates to the period between January 1984 and November 1984.
There is a recall on all 686 models made prior to 1987. Some guns when fired with magnum ammunition had the primers flow back into the firing pin bushing, binding the gun. The modification involved fitting a new firing pin and bushing. If your gun has been modified there will be an M stamped after the model number. If it hasn't been modified and you wish to have it done, call S&W and they will send you a shipping label. It won't cost you anything.
Of course, if you have had no problems with the gun then there is no real need to have it modified!
ADYxxxx is the serial number, this is the number that S&W and gun shops will have recorded. 91991 is an assembly number used to track parts in the factory, it is irrelevant once the gun is complete.
Your 686 dates to the period between January 1984 and November 1984.
There is a recall on all 686 models made prior to 1987. Some guns when fired with magnum ammunition had the primers flow back into the firing pin bushing, binding the gun. The modification involved fitting a new firing pin and bushing. If your gun has been modified there will be an M stamped after the model number. If it hasn't been modified and you wish to have it done, call S&W and they will send you a shipping label. It won't cost you anything.
Of course, if you have had no problems with the gun then there is no real need to have it modified!
messerist
Member
Thanks a million Radagast! Ditto on the heads up on the recall. So far the gun shoots great but I think I will contact S&W an have the mods done. Thank you once again for you help.
Hey-Mikey
Member
I've got one for ya'.
a. "38 S&W special ctg." (as marked on barrel)
b. 4"
c. round
d. 6 shots
e. groove rear, pinned brass(?) blade front
f. 4968xx
g. M&P (or so I've been told)
thanks in advance.
a. "38 S&W special ctg." (as marked on barrel)
b. 4"
c. round
d. 6 shots
e. groove rear, pinned brass(?) blade front
f. 4968xx
g. M&P (or so I've been told)
thanks in advance.
