murrphyslaw13
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Identity and Date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers
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Radagast
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murrphyslaw13:
Your Model 64-3 .38 Military & Police Heavy Barrel Stainless was manufactured in 1981. The frame is a square butt K frame, the grips are probably aftermarket.
Your Model 64-3 .38 Military & Police Heavy Barrel Stainless was manufactured in 1981. The frame is a square butt K frame, the grips are probably aftermarket.
murrphyslaw13
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Thank you so much for your help, do you know what the value might be on this? i gave $250 for it...
Radagast
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murrphyslaw13:
That's a good price. As an example, Buds Gun Shop is a major on line dealer that get job lots of police trade ins every now and then, at which point they sell them at $279 shipped to your local dealer, who will then charge you for a transfer. They will sell you a new Model 64 for $551.
When there are no police trade ins hitting the market the price tends to rise. So I would say you paid a very good price for a good quality gun.
FWIW the Model 64 is the stainless version of the .38 Military & Police which has been in production for 114 years now. Its a well sorted design and was pretty much the standard issue weapon for western world police departments until the advent of the Glock auto pistol.
drandy:
You have a .38 Military & Police Postwar probably manufactured in 1949. The serial range C1 to C223000 ran 1948 to 1951. In 1957 this gun was designated the Model 10. The caliber is .38 Special, also known as .38 S&W Special. If you are looking for replacement grips the frame is a K frame and with a six inch barrel should be a square butt.
That's a good price. As an example, Buds Gun Shop is a major on line dealer that get job lots of police trade ins every now and then, at which point they sell them at $279 shipped to your local dealer, who will then charge you for a transfer. They will sell you a new Model 64 for $551.
When there are no police trade ins hitting the market the price tends to rise. So I would say you paid a very good price for a good quality gun.
FWIW the Model 64 is the stainless version of the .38 Military & Police which has been in production for 114 years now. Its a well sorted design and was pretty much the standard issue weapon for western world police departments until the advent of the Glock auto pistol.
drandy:
You have a .38 Military & Police Postwar probably manufactured in 1949. The serial range C1 to C223000 ran 1948 to 1951. In 1957 this gun was designated the Model 10. The caliber is .38 Special, also known as .38 S&W Special. If you are looking for replacement grips the frame is a K frame and with a six inch barrel should be a square butt.
Radagast
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lhanckes:
You probably have a .38-200 British Service Revolver manufactured between 1942 & 1944 for the British Empire. Caliber is .38 S&W. ctge is an abbreviation for cartridge.
These were normally supplied with a 5 inch barrel, although some were made with a 4 inch barrel. Check the length from the forcing cone just in front of the cylinder to the muzzle. If its 3.5 inches then the barrel has been cut down post war.
If there is no lug under the barrel to lock the end of the ejector rod then the barrel has been cut down.
Post war many were also bored out to chamber .38 S&W Special cartridges. The easiest way to check is to see if the longer .38 special will fit. If the gun has been bored out then it has limited value, probably no more than $150. If original then it will retain some value to a collector and will probably be worth $300 or so in excellent condition.
If the caliber stamping is .38 S&W SPL CTGE then it may be a Victory Model manufactured for the US military on the same production line / serial range as the BSR. Check if the chambers are straight bored as this indicates an original .38 S&W Special chambering.
Important safety notes:
1) This gun lacks the positive internal hammer block safety introduced in 1944 after a fatality with a dropped gun. Treat it as a five shooter and leave the chamber under the hammer empty until ready to fire.
2) If it has been bored out to .38 special there will be a gap between the chamber walls and the case near the rim as the .38 S&W case head is is wider than the .38 special case head. Stick to standard pressure lead loads, no PlusP, +P+ or jacketed ammo if you want to avoid bulged or possibly split cases. Especially if there is no front locking lug - I managed to spring the cylinder crane on a gun without the lug with only 5 rounds of PlusP ammo.
You probably have a .38-200 British Service Revolver manufactured between 1942 & 1944 for the British Empire. Caliber is .38 S&W. ctge is an abbreviation for cartridge.
These were normally supplied with a 5 inch barrel, although some were made with a 4 inch barrel. Check the length from the forcing cone just in front of the cylinder to the muzzle. If its 3.5 inches then the barrel has been cut down post war.
If there is no lug under the barrel to lock the end of the ejector rod then the barrel has been cut down.
Post war many were also bored out to chamber .38 S&W Special cartridges. The easiest way to check is to see if the longer .38 special will fit. If the gun has been bored out then it has limited value, probably no more than $150. If original then it will retain some value to a collector and will probably be worth $300 or so in excellent condition.
If the caliber stamping is .38 S&W SPL CTGE then it may be a Victory Model manufactured for the US military on the same production line / serial range as the BSR. Check if the chambers are straight bored as this indicates an original .38 S&W Special chambering.
Important safety notes:
1) This gun lacks the positive internal hammer block safety introduced in 1944 after a fatality with a dropped gun. Treat it as a five shooter and leave the chamber under the hammer empty until ready to fire.
2) If it has been bored out to .38 special there will be a gap between the chamber walls and the case near the rim as the .38 S&W case head is is wider than the .38 special case head. Stick to standard pressure lead loads, no PlusP, +P+ or jacketed ammo if you want to avoid bulged or possibly split cases. Especially if there is no front locking lug - I managed to spring the cylinder crane on a gun without the lug with only 5 rounds of PlusP ammo.
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Snake Plisskin
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Can you help me on my Smith & Wesson Model 19-4 Combat Magnum 2 1/2" Nickel, with the DOB s/n 33K09XX, thanks.
Radagast
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Snake Plisskin:
1978.
1978.
wnycollector
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I just picked up a S&W Model 12 and would like to know it's DOB.
a) caliber - 38 special
b) bbl length - 2"
c) grips shape - round
d) number of shots/cylinder bores - 6
e) type of sights - fixed
f) serial number - C948XXX
Thanks in advance.
a) caliber - 38 special
b) bbl length - 2"
c) grips shape - round
d) number of shots/cylinder bores - 6
e) type of sights - fixed
f) serial number - C948XXX
Thanks in advance.
Radagast
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wnycollector:
The serial range C810533 to C999999 was used in 1966 & 1967, so your Model 12 .38 Military & Police Airweight probably dates to 1967. These were built on the KA frame which is .080 of an inch thinner than the regular K frame. Aftermarket grips may not be a perfect fit as a result.
The serial range C810533 to C999999 was used in 1966 & 1967, so your Model 12 .38 Military & Police Airweight probably dates to 1967. These were built on the KA frame which is .080 of an inch thinner than the regular K frame. Aftermarket grips may not be a perfect fit as a result.
wnycollector
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Radagast thanks for the info. I can't imagine changing grips on this revolver. It has a beautiful set of diamond magna stocks and all I will be adding is a Tyler t-grip to it.
Radagast
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walkg:
The Model 629-1 .44 Magnum Stainless was produced between 1982 & 1988. The -1 refers to deletion of the barrel pin and the cylinder no longer being counter-bored to recess the cartridge rims.
An ADSxxxx serial number dates your gun to late 1983.
The Model 629-1 .44 Magnum Stainless was produced between 1982 & 1988. The -1 refers to deletion of the barrel pin and the cylinder no longer being counter-bored to recess the cartridge rims.
An ADSxxxx serial number dates your gun to late 1983.
pittspilot
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A treble of revolvers today.
A 12-3 four inch blued. 4DO6xxx
A 686 no dash 4 inch. AHU6xxx
And then one I think has a dob of 1900. Model of 1899, round butt. 5 inch. Serial 19xx
Thanks,
A 12-3 four inch blued. 4DO6xxx
A 686 no dash 4 inch. AHU6xxx
And then one I think has a dob of 1900. Model of 1899, round butt. 5 inch. Serial 19xx
Thanks,
Radagast
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pittspilot:
12-3 .38 Military & Police Airweight = 1979.
686 Distinguished Combat Magnum Stainless = 1985.
.38 Military & Police 1st Model = 1899 or 1900. serial range began at 1 in 1899, guns in the 5001 to 6000 range shipped to the USN in 1900. You would need a factory letter to find out more.
12-3 .38 Military & Police Airweight = 1979.
686 Distinguished Combat Magnum Stainless = 1985.
.38 Military & Police 1st Model = 1899 or 1900. serial range began at 1 in 1899, guns in the 5001 to 6000 range shipped to the USN in 1900. You would need a factory letter to find out more.
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Model 10 M&P
Trying to date a .38 Special 4" Model 10 Model 10-6 serial noD456XXX Six Shot.
The revolver was issued to the British Constabukitary for use as a "Bpbbie's " Sidearm and sold as surplus/ here in the USA.' There is a lot number etched in the sideplate for surplus sale.
I just bought the revolver 10 days ago
Any approxximate date would be helpfull.
Thanks,
ZVP
Trying to date a .38 Special 4" Model 10 Model 10-6 serial noD456XXX Six Shot.
The revolver was issued to the British Constabukitary for use as a "Bpbbie's " Sidearm and sold as surplus/ here in the USA.' There is a lot number etched in the sideplate for surplus sale.
I just bought the revolver 10 days ago
Any approxximate date would be helpfull.
Thanks,
ZVP
Radagast
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ZVP:
Your Model 10-6 .38 Military & Police Heavy Barrel was manufactured in 1972.
Your Model 10-6 .38 Military & Police Heavy Barrel was manufactured in 1972.
crazytanker
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Whats the date of manufacture?
I bought a S&W Model 13-2 .357mag at a gun show this past weekend. Its a 4 inch barrel with a square butt. Serial number is 4D38551. It also has what appears to be import stamps. They read "C.A.I. Georgia YT" above the Smith & Wesson on the barrel. And below it it reads "Model 13-2". These are clearly not factory stamping as they seem to be laser etched. And very poorly done at that. Any information on this revolver would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
I bought a S&W Model 13-2 .357mag at a gun show this past weekend. Its a 4 inch barrel with a square butt. Serial number is 4D38551. It also has what appears to be import stamps. They read "C.A.I. Georgia YT" above the Smith & Wesson on the barrel. And below it it reads "Model 13-2". These are clearly not factory stamping as they seem to be laser etched. And very poorly done at that. Any information on this revolver would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Radagast
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crazytanker:
4D38xxx dates your Model 13-2 .357 Magnum Military & Police Heavy Barrel to 1979. The -2 model was produced from 1977 to 1982, so that is correct.
IIRC the CAI markings are for Century Arms: http://www.centuryarms.com/
I've no clue why the model number has been etched on the outside.
4D38xxx dates your Model 13-2 .357 Magnum Military & Police Heavy Barrel to 1979. The -2 model was produced from 1977 to 1982, so that is correct.
IIRC the CAI markings are for Century Arms: http://www.centuryarms.com/
I've no clue why the model number has been etched on the outside.
Radagast
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Jaymo:
That Model 10-6 .38 Military & Police Heavy Barrel was manufactured in 1969.
That Model 10-6 .38 Military & Police Heavy Barrel was manufactured in 1969.
WaywardSon
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First...thank you for taking the time to provide this information to all. I for one certainly appreciate it!
Going to bring this home in a couple of days:
Model 29-3
6"
Square butt
Serial is AZF91XX
Also, do you know what grips are correct for this gun. It currently has the Pachymar rubber abominations
Thanks again.....John
Going to bring this home in a couple of days:
Model 29-3
6"
Square butt
Serial is AZF91XX
Also, do you know what grips are correct for this gun. It currently has the Pachymar rubber abominations
Thanks again.....John
Radagast
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WaywardSon:
That serial number should make it an early 1998 gun. Check to see if it is a 29-3E, as the 'Endurance package' design changes were introduced in 1987.
Hogue grips were introduced in 1996. Until then the correct grips were walnut target stocks.
That serial number should make it an early 1998 gun. Check to see if it is a 29-3E, as the 'Endurance package' design changes were introduced in 1987.
Hogue grips were introduced in 1996. Until then the correct grips were walnut target stocks.
