Radagast
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Model 60 barrel:
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/307300.htm
They are out of stock of pre-Model 10 ejector rods.
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/307300.htm
They are out of stock of pre-Model 10 ejector rods.
Identity and Date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers
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knee-dragger777
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Helping a friend.
Rada--One more time for a local friend. Nickle plated 38 caliber K frame-- Ser. # 746362
Thanks!!
Rada--One more time for a local friend. Nickle plated 38 caliber K frame-- Ser. # 746362
Thanks!!
Radagast
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knee-dragger777:
1940/41 It's either a .38 Military & Police Model of 1905 4th Change, or a .38/200 British Service Revolver.
The difference is the M&P barrel stamping and cylinder chambers were .38 S&W Special. The .38/200 BSR was marked and chambered in .38 S&W, a shorter cartridge.
After WWII a lot of surplus BSRs were bored out to .38 Special and sold as surplus. If its chambered in .38 Special, check if the chambers are parallel or if they have a taper for the first 19mm. If tapered then it has been bored out and the chambers are oversize for the .38 special. I recommend sticking to standard pressure lead only loads with these conversions to limit the chance of split / bulged brass. Converted guns have very little value, maybe $150 or so.
If in the original chambering, with original finish, then its probably worth twice to three times a converted gun.
1940/41 It's either a .38 Military & Police Model of 1905 4th Change, or a .38/200 British Service Revolver.
The difference is the M&P barrel stamping and cylinder chambers were .38 S&W Special. The .38/200 BSR was marked and chambered in .38 S&W, a shorter cartridge.
After WWII a lot of surplus BSRs were bored out to .38 Special and sold as surplus. If its chambered in .38 Special, check if the chambers are parallel or if they have a taper for the first 19mm. If tapered then it has been bored out and the chambers are oversize for the .38 special. I recommend sticking to standard pressure lead only loads with these conversions to limit the chance of split / bulged brass. Converted guns have very little value, maybe $150 or so.
If in the original chambering, with original finish, then its probably worth twice to three times a converted gun.
usp9
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Radagast, I inherited a nice S&W K22. It is a 5 screw, 6" barrel, serial number 245757. Can you tell me when it was made please, and any other info I may need to know. I understand this is a real collectable, something to be handed down to future generations.
It looks exactly like the revolver pictured in this thread; http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=763008
It looks exactly like the revolver pictured in this thread; http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=763008
Radagast
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usp9:
There should be a K prefix to that serial number.
If the serial number is K245xxx, then it was manufactured in 1955.
If there is no K prefix, check the bottom of the grip, rather than under the cylinder yoke.
There should be a K prefix to that serial number.
If the serial number is K245xxx, then it was manufactured in 1955.
If there is no K prefix, check the bottom of the grip, rather than under the cylinder yoke.
usp9
Member
There is a K on the butt with a large space, then the number. Thanks for the info.
el indio
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I am looking at a model 30-1, 32 s&w long. 2 inch barrel,nickel finish, pearl grips.Serial number 807xxx. Possible Value. Radagast, thanks for the answer a while back. Forgot to say it then. I would say NRA 80-90 %. Thanks
Radagast
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el indio:
That Model 30-1 .32 Hand Ejector was manufactured between 1961 (serial number 712954 & 1969 (serial number 826977).
If the cylinder latch is flat, then 1961-1966. If concave then 1966-1969.
If the grips are original and have an uncheckered diamond around the grip screws, then 1968 or earlier. If checkering runs up to the screws, then 1968-69.
In 2006 the standard catalog of S&W gave a value of $225 in very good condition, $275 in excellent. I'm Australian, so I can't help with current U.S. values.
The -1 in the serial number refers to the gun using the J frame, rather than the earlier, smaller I frame. Modern J frame grips should fit.
That Model 30-1 .32 Hand Ejector was manufactured between 1961 (serial number 712954 & 1969 (serial number 826977).
If the cylinder latch is flat, then 1961-1966. If concave then 1966-1969.
If the grips are original and have an uncheckered diamond around the grip screws, then 1968 or earlier. If checkering runs up to the screws, then 1968-69.
In 2006 the standard catalog of S&W gave a value of $225 in very good condition, $275 in excellent. I'm Australian, so I can't help with current U.S. values.
The -1 in the serial number refers to the gun using the J frame, rather than the earlier, smaller I frame. Modern J frame grips should fit.
el indio
Member
Radagast, thanks again.
CajunBass
Member
Model 15-3, S/N 8K55946...Any idea on a date?
Radagast
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CajunBass:
1975.
1975.
CajunBass
Member
Thanks Radagast. 'Preciate it.
rromeo
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I know the nickel plating is somewhat recent.
a) .38 Special
b) 4"
c) Square
d) 6
e) fixed
f) V895XX
g) No model number
a) .38 Special
b) 4"
c) Square
d) 6
e) fixed
f) V895XX
g) No model number
Radagast
Member
rromeo:
1942 for that gun. It is either a .38 Special Victory Model or a .38 S&W British Service Revolver that was sold as war surplus and converted to .38 Special.
Check the chambers. If a They are straight bored to the shoulder for the case mouth, then it's a .38 Victory Model. If the first 19mm has a taper then its a converted BSR. As a precaution stick to lead only, standard pressure loads in a converted gun. Bulged or cracked brass are a possibility.
Either way, the gun lacks the positive internal hammer block introduced after a fatality with a dropped gun in 1944 and still used on all S&W's today. I woulds treat it as a 5 shooter, leaving the hammer down on an empty chamber.
The nickel finish has destroyed any collectors value, so treat it as a shooter and shoot it.
1942 for that gun. It is either a .38 Special Victory Model or a .38 S&W British Service Revolver that was sold as war surplus and converted to .38 Special.
Check the chambers. If a They are straight bored to the shoulder for the case mouth, then it's a .38 Victory Model. If the first 19mm has a taper then its a converted BSR. As a precaution stick to lead only, standard pressure loads in a converted gun. Bulged or cracked brass are a possibility.
Either way, the gun lacks the positive internal hammer block introduced after a fatality with a dropped gun in 1944 and still used on all S&W's today. I woulds treat it as a 5 shooter, leaving the hammer down on an empty chamber.
The nickel finish has destroyed any collectors value, so treat it as a shooter and shoot it.
rromeo
Member
Thanks. Now, The barrel is marked 38 Special.
I load my own, so I'll watch for that. I don't suppose 3 grains of Bullseye under a SWC is too hot.
I load my own, so I'll watch for that. I don't suppose 3 grains of Bullseye under a SWC is too hot.
Radagast
Member
I'm am Aussie, we use locally manufactured powders, so I can't advise on reloads.
if the barrel is marked .38 special then its fairly safe to say its a Victory model. Which should make it safe to use with any current commercial standard pressure or +P load.
if the barrel is marked .38 special then its fairly safe to say its a Victory model. Which should make it safe to use with any current commercial standard pressure or +P load.
saenzrich
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586 s&w 8 3/8
can you date this new one for me please
sn AEA5723
what would be your valuation lnib with papers roughly in todays market mint
thank you
can you date this new one for me please
sn AEA5723
what would be your valuation lnib with papers roughly in todays market mint
thank you
Radagast
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saenzrich:
1984 for that one. Subject to recall due to an oversize firing pin bushing that can result in primer flow back and the cylinder locking up. S&W will pay shipping both ways.
Price? I'm Australian, so I can only go on what I read on THR for US prices. In 2006 the SCSW gave $700 for a NIB unit. The longer barrel is a rare variant, but not necessarily a popular one.
The recent 586 Classic had a MRSP of $839.00
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...#WebrootPlugIn#?1#?1#PhreshPhish#?1#?1#agtpwd
So if I had to take a punt, I would offer $750 and see what happens.
1984 for that one. Subject to recall due to an oversize firing pin bushing that can result in primer flow back and the cylinder locking up. S&W will pay shipping both ways.
Price? I'm Australian, so I can only go on what I read on THR for US prices. In 2006 the SCSW gave $700 for a NIB unit. The longer barrel is a rare variant, but not necessarily a popular one.
The recent 586 Classic had a MRSP of $839.00
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...#WebrootPlugIn#?1#?1#PhreshPhish#?1#?1#agtpwd
So if I had to take a punt, I would offer $750 and see what happens.
saenzrich
Member
Radagast thank you again. You are a tremendous help as always.
knee-dragger777
Member
Rada one more time.
.38 caliber, J frame, 5 shot, 2" barrel, Ser. # 7196 on the butt.
Can you tell me if it is a model 36 "chief"? Thanks for the help!!
.38 caliber, J frame, 5 shot, 2" barrel, Ser. # 7196 on the butt.
Can you tell me if it is a model 36 "chief"? Thanks for the help!!
Radagast
Member
knee-dragger777:
If .38 S&W Special, then it's almost certainly a 'baby' Chiefs Special.
Introduced in 1950, the Chiefs Special used the new J frame, with a cylinder window large enough for the .38 Special round. At first the J frame carried over the I frame sized grip and trigger guard, in 1953 this changed to the slightly larger J frame grip and trigger guard that is the standard today.
The Standard Catalog of S&W notes that a baby Chiefs Special with the half round front sight and I frame grip may be worth 3 to 4 times that of a later gun; with a ramped front sight and I frame grip, then a 50% premium over later guns.
Your gun probably dates to 1952/3, but may have been shipped as late as 1955.
More info in this thread:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/273904-baby-chief-identification.html
If .38 S&W Special, then it's almost certainly a 'baby' Chiefs Special.
Introduced in 1950, the Chiefs Special used the new J frame, with a cylinder window large enough for the .38 Special round. At first the J frame carried over the I frame sized grip and trigger guard, in 1953 this changed to the slightly larger J frame grip and trigger guard that is the standard today.
The Standard Catalog of S&W notes that a baby Chiefs Special with the half round front sight and I frame grip may be worth 3 to 4 times that of a later gun; with a ramped front sight and I frame grip, then a 50% premium over later guns.
Your gun probably dates to 1952/3, but may have been shipped as late as 1955.
More info in this thread:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/273904-baby-chief-identification.html
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saenzrich
Member
686 8-3/8 date
Radagast could you please date this for me.
SN AUA1000
thank you
Radagast could you please date this for me.
SN AUA1000
thank you
Radagast
Member
G'day mate.
Between June 1986 (ANN0xxx) & June 1987 (AWD0xxxx). My guesstimate is early 1987 as guns in the AYXxxx range were still shipping in late 1987.
Between June 1986 (ANN0xxx) & June 1987 (AWD0xxxx). My guesstimate is early 1987 as guns in the AYXxxx range were still shipping in late 1987.
saenzrich
Member
Thank you radagast!
I ended up finding a different one local and taking home. It is also a 686 8 3/8 but the sn is ADY3326. Does that put it in the same time frame as the other.
Thank again!
I ended up finding a different one local and taking home. It is also a 686 8 3/8 but the sn is ADY3326. Does that put it in the same time frame as the other.
Thank again!
Radagast
Member
Early 1984 for that one.
