IDPA LEGAL 1911

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Probably the added forward weight, would be my guess. Don't think they like longslides, either...

I thought about IDPA as a possible "independent study" sport to weasel out of mandatory PE when I transfer to my next college, but my idea f a "defense" gun is too close to a "racegun" to be IDPA-Limited or IPSC legal.
 
Because when the rule was written, a long dust cover was an expensive custom add-on and was seen as contributing to an arms race. More common now, but the rule hasn't changed. Sorry.
 
I would like to see them legal, then at least part of the competition would be shooting a gun that is a handicap when compared to my short dustcover lightweight gun. The real differences a gun can make are made in the transitions and light gun weight is the way to go for fast accurate transitions. I would like to see the rules let people shoot what they want to shoot, many people make poor decisions based on less than complete information and I will take any advantage I can. It is a game after all, and I want to win.
 
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Can some one tell me what is the longest dustcover they will accept?
I have an svi govt with a bushing barell and a butler cut slide. I believe that the dust cover is just under an inch of being a full dust cover.
I guess the measurements of what idpa will accept i really what will help me figure out if my pistol is legal.
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The rulebook says
"EXCLUDED Modifications (NON-Inclusive list):
1. Full length dust covers of carbon or stainless steel."

There are no measurements of what "IDPA will accept" anywhere that I have seen. If your dust cover is just under an inch short of being a full dust cover then it is not a full dust cover, is it? Which makes it legal.

I don't know what a "butler cut slide" is. Does that affect the appearance of the dust cover length?
 
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Regarding Jims comment. Perhaps a pic of the pistol will help determine wether its legal or not?
Let me know what you think please
Thanks
 

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My, that is a long dust cover, relative to the slide, isn't it?
But it is not a FULL dust cover. I say you are good to go.
But I am not Robert Ray (who handles most IDPA HQ rules interpretations these days) and cannot predict how he would interpret that one.
But does he have to?
What level are you planning on shooting (at least to start with)?
No club, state, or regional match I have ever been to (in the S.E. USA) has had a technical inspection that would call a dustcover into question. You might have to defend it at the Nationals where it would be chronographed and weighed.

I say to go shooting and let the M.D. worry about the minutae of the rules.
 
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Hey,
Thanks for the opinion.
I dont really know where they will have me shoot.
First time shooting outside of my country.
I'm currently rated as a SS in the ESP category. We have a team from Trinidad coming up to Pennsylvania in September for the IDPA shoot.Looking forward to some international exposure. Don't want to be embarased or embarass the team for having the wrong or illegal equipment.
Thanks for asking.
 
Ah, you really ARE from Trinidad & Tobago. I thought that was a humor line like my college dormitory neighbor who listed a different distant home town every quarter.
And you ARE planning on shooting the Nationals with long travel.

In that case, I would definitely send that picture to IDPA HQ and have Robert Ray evaluate it for IDPA ESP use. Because there it will be chronographed and weighed, and your gun's appearance might cause the chronograph officer to question its legality.
Better to know now and find another gun if necessary than to get surprised and disallowed at the match.
 
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Hey Jim,
Got a hold of Robert on the phone and had him look at the pics on the e-mail. He said I was good to go as long as the pistol weighed in at 43 oz and under. Will check that weight sometime this week. I guess the dust cover is just fine.
thanks for the advise. Greatly appreciated.
 
That is good news.
I hope it makes weight and you can bring it to the Nationals. I am sure you will represent your country well.

And while we are at it, please describe the state of private gun ownership and the shooting sports in Trinidad & Tobago.
 
The picture is not very clear, but I am a little suprised he allowed that. In my book, not that it matters, that is an extended dust cover. It is my understanding that the Sig and Kimber guns, with their version of an extended dust cover, are not allowed. They are much shorter than the one pictured. The cuts on top of the slide could be considered lightening cuts also.
 
Might check that weight...

"pistol weighed in at 43 oz and under"

You might want to recheck that weight figure. According to the book a CSP needs to weight 41 oz. or less.
 
STI lists weight for the Edge (full length dustcover/bull barrel) at 38.5oz, so you should be way under the weight limit. IDPA only excludes full length dust covers of carbon/stainless steel. So if you had one of Titanium, aluminum, plastic, etc you would be fine. In addition extended/weighted (by light rail only) are allowed according to the rule book. However, you might want a hard copy of your correspondence with HQ as you never know who will be the MD.
 
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Well,
I managed to get an e-mail from Robert this morning confirming the legality of the pistol. Thats a major relief. Thanks for all the advise guys.
Regarding the state of private gun ownership on the island. Private owners have to apply to the police for a license. It is difficult to get one. One has to be involved in business or have experienced some hardship due to a crime of some sort. Even then theres no guarantee one can get a license.
The Comissioner of Police has the final say. One can appeal the decision but there are no guarantees. Most people have 9mm pistols for there protection. Glock, Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Remigintion, mossberg are a few of the brands which have representation on the island.
Some of us prefer to import a special brand. The 1911 style of gun is relatively new to the market. Those of us who shoot regularly like the SVI or STI. Most find it too expensive for the sport. In recent times ammo has been in short supply due to US state department rules. They are now checking up on the end user. One has to be a member of a club to buy and shoot.We cant walk into a Wall Mart or sporting store and buy as much as we would like. As a matter of fact , licensed firearm holders are only allowed to carry or have in there possesion 25 rds per gun. Frankly shooting is frowned upon by the Police. We are a conservsative society.
Unfortunately crime is gaining ground in leaps and bounds. Hopefully we will find an appropiate soloution to the problem.
Till the next time
thanks a mill for the advise
 
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