"IED" Found at SF Starbucks

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Yep, just as I thought. Whole lot of people hitting the "panic button" a little too easily, and name dropping "IED" in front of CNN.

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SAN FRANCISCO
Starbucks 'bomb' found to be harmless
Preliminary tests apparently find no explosive material
Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff Writer

Thursday, January 12, 2006

San Francisco authorities are no longer sure a device found in a Starbucks bathroom -- which they characterized for two days as a potentially lethal bomb -- had any explosive material in it after all, and they say the man who left it may never be charged.

On Wednesday, agents of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives analyzed residue left behind after police blasted the device with a water cannon to render it safe.

Results of the test have not been released, but preliminary checks revealed no explosive material, according to authorities who spoke on background.

Earlier, police had described the device as a quarter-stick of dynamite inside a flashlight casing and said it could have killed or dismembered someone. It was found Monday afternoon at the Starbucks at 1401 Van Ness Ave., prompting authorities to evacuate the store and an apartment building above.

Some authorities suggested Wednesday that a small blast heard when police turned the water cannon on the device -- first thought to have been caused by explosive material -- was in fact the result of high-pressure water hitting flashlight batteries.

Late Tuesday, police arrested 44-year-old Ronald Schouten on a drug charge and said they were looking at whether he was the person who had left the device in the coffee house.

On Wednesday, investigators said Schouten had told them he had found the device on the street and thought it might come in handy for self-defense. They said they believed him.

"He said he just found the thing, somewhere downtown -- it was not far away (from the Starbucks),'' said Lt. Dan Mahoney of the special investigations detail.

Sgt. Neville Gittens, a police spokesman, said that Schouten's account -- which he did not elaborate on -- was "plausible and consistent'' with other evidence in the case and that Schouten had no "terrorist or anti-Starbucks agenda.''

When he was arrested on Van Ness Avenue two blocks from the Starbucks, Schouten was wearing the same clothes as a man shown in surveillance photos taken Monday afternoon at the Starbucks, police said. Investigators had described that man as a person of interest in the case.

Schouten appeared briefly in court Wednesday in an unrelated cocaine possession case. Superior Court Judge Lucy McCabe rejected his public defender's request to divert Schouten to a drug treatment program and ordered him to return to court Friday.

The public defender, Mary Mallen, declined to comment on the Starbucks matter.

Schouten is also facing possible charges in an unrelated burglary, police and prosecutors said. Evidence in that case apparently was found on Schouten when he was arrested Tuesday. The burglary happened Monday, the same day the device was found at Starbucks.

Police said Schouten had walked into the Starbucks at about 1:15 p.m. Monday, asked for leftover coffee grounds and then gone into the bathroom after getting a key. He returned the key and left.

Schouten was apparently living at the Interfaith Council's roving winter shelter before his arrest, according to people who knew him.

In 2004, he lived at the Mission Hotel on South Van Ness Avenue until being evicted for failing to pay his rent, hotel general manager Carlos Mendoza-Hernandez said. He said Schouten was not dangerous.

"You wouldn't think he would hurt a fly,'' Mendoza-Hernandez said. "He told me he was a person who suffered from anxiety."

"He's very scared of people," Mendoza-Hernandez said. "The whole time he lived here, he never hurt anybody.''
 
Sort of like the chubby guy with the goatee at the carbine class who has all sorts of "operator" gear on and speaks in the cool guy jargon from his SEEL Team 37.5 days.

Isn't that SpacemanSpiff?:neener:

Uh-oh, I hope that doesn't offend anybody!:uhoh:
 
today's lessons are Chicken Little and the Boy Who Cried Wolf

And how much did this useless panic over a cardboard wrapped battery
mistaken as a improvised explosive device cost the taxpayers?
(Not to mention all the idle time on watercooler and internet chatter?)
 
It depends on what you want to sell...

When you're selling newspapers or ad space for the TV network you have to catch and hold peoples attention.

A "firecracker in a flashlight" could come from a couple of mischevious high school kids. Neither important or glamorous. :(

Now an "IED" conjures up an image of turbaned terrorists :eek: sneaking in with a 120mm howitzer shell and wiring it up to a "black box" for detonation.

Whaddya think will sell more newspapers ? ;)
 
The things I built at 11 from dismembered model rocket engines and hardware store parts were in fact pipe bombs. A little cannon fuse or using electric rocket igniters and they were command detonated. Improvised timers? No problem.

I am still a bit uncertain why it is a big deal?

Oooooh pipe bomb, evacuate the city... :rolleyes:
 
carebear said:
The things I built at 11 from dismembered model rocket engines and hardware store parts were in fact pipe bombs. A little cannon fuse or using electric rocket igniters and they were command detonated. Improvised timers? No problem.

I am still a bit uncertain why it is a big deal?

Funny you mention that. I am not that old, but I am old enough to not be confused as a college student. Anyway, it's funny to talk about what we did as kids and teens, and how different it is today. We burned, blew up, and shot at with all kinds of different things (whatever was around) more than we should have. I have blown bricks and bricks and cases of high powered fireworks and rockets through my youth. Police back then just yelled at you and confiscated. I packed tons of m100's and stuff under my bed as a kid. All of it in good fun. Some of the fun would certainly have led us into some jail and expulsion from school if I were young like that these days. I was lucky and maybe a little smart enough not to go too far and hurt myself or anyone, some close calls though. It's all very different for the youth of today.
 
It sounds like the media was practicing its normal terminology-du-jour routine. And before anyone says the police spokeperson was tossing around IED, remember that most "spokespersons" (for government, business, or otherwise) are usually media types.

BTW, would the Vienna-sausage-can mortar several of us made in high school qualify as an IPD (improvised projectile device)?
 
I just heard the end of this on the radio.

All this fuss was because some hapless bloke left his flashlight in the can?

All that media, police, bomb-squad, homeland security, yadda-yadda?

wow. :rolleyes:
 
Sleeping Dog said:
I just heard the end of this on the radio.

All this fuss was because some hapless bloke left his flashlight in the can?

All that media, police, bomb-squad, homeland security, yadda-yadda?

wow. :rolleyes:

God no wonder the City of SF outlawed handguns, they might not have even known what one was if they saw it..... Good Grief......:banghead:
 
odysseus, did you know that the ID of a '54 Pontiac driveshaft is the same as the OD of a beer can? Cut off one end; drill a hole near the other end, and apply an acetylene torch. After some amount of time, "Strike!"

A little water in the beer can extends the range. From my buddy's filling station, we could reach about three blocks past Sunrise Blvd in Fort Liquordale.

Creating more ammo was a puredee joy and pleasure.

:), Art
 
FWIW this remains one of the IRA's favourite methods of putting bombs in areas where they can hurt people - one of their splinter groups last attacks on the mainland was a bomb in a torch that blinded a teenager. They have also used cones, bicycles and many other mundane objects to blow stuff up - as anyone who has parked their bike on Whitehall and came back to find it "stolen" can attest to.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1258125.stm

Appreciate it wasnt on this occasion, but thats not to say it doesnt happen.
 
the bomb squad had no choice but to check it out

I guess what irked me most about this was the huge media panic
over a non-story; they could very easily have waited for a final
word from the bomb squad and what it checked out to be.

I keep losing respect for the media and News Alerts.
 
My brother used to make pipe bombs with his friends. Everyone set off M-80's on the 4th. It wasn't considered anything out of the ordinary. Now adays that sort of thing will get hard federal time. Every decade we're becoming more and more like Agricola's homeland.
 
It's all part of the "this stuff is too dangerous for you peons" specialization crud getting pushed on us from every direction.

People with a lick of common sense can use most common explosives quite safely. Throw in a little formal instruction or good reference material and the only danger, then as now, is to the stupid.

It is, in fact, rocket science in a way, but basic rocket science ain't that hard.

:rolleyes:
 
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