LiveLife
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Huh? How does that relate to the OP?Tape said:
BSA1 said:
If Glocks are so wonderful why so many generations?
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JohnBT
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"If Glocks are so wonderful why so many generations?"
The improvement of Glock Perfection. That's all it is.
The improvement of Glock Perfection. That's all it is.
LiveLife
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Tape, NVM. It's all good. 
sarduy
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same thing happen with cars cellphones TV computers and everything alse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3thNMKwh2Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3thNMKwh2Y
But if the beast is so good why do we have four generations on it now? Are there problems with the previous three generations that needed to be corrected or are the "improvements" just hype to create more sales?
Same reason you get the "dash numbers" on S&Ws or the "point something" version of software. Minor improvements made to the product.
Same reason you get the "dash numbers" on S&Ws or the "point something" version of software. Minor improvements made to the product.
Iramo94
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It's all a matter of what becomes more important to the buyers.
What was wrong with the original shoulder fired cannons? They were "perfect" according to the people of that time. Thousands of times more handy than bows and arrows.
In 1860, the people wanted cartriges. (Colt revolvers)
In 1910, the people wanted an autoloader with the power of their revolvers. (1911, no extra cuts on the ejection port)
In 1920, the people wanted a 9mm autoloader. (BHP)
In 1960, the people wanted an autoloader that fed reliably. (that extra cut in 1911's)
In 1980, the people wanted a light autoloader that still ran when thrown off of a building. (Glock Gen 1)
In 1990, the people wanted to get rid of the monopoly. (Other wonder guns) They also wanted traction. (Gen 2)
In 2000, the people wanted 1913 rails. (Gen 3)
In 2010, the people wanted the upgrade to the new invention of removable straps, and a nice standard texturing. (Gen 4)
This can be reduced to the simple argument that Glock, and other successful companies, are not idiots. They do what sells, just like what was said about Apple.
What was wrong with the original shoulder fired cannons? They were "perfect" according to the people of that time. Thousands of times more handy than bows and arrows.
In 1860, the people wanted cartriges. (Colt revolvers)
In 1910, the people wanted an autoloader with the power of their revolvers. (1911, no extra cuts on the ejection port)
In 1920, the people wanted a 9mm autoloader. (BHP)
In 1960, the people wanted an autoloader that fed reliably. (that extra cut in 1911's)
In 1980, the people wanted a light autoloader that still ran when thrown off of a building. (Glock Gen 1)
In 1990, the people wanted to get rid of the monopoly. (Other wonder guns) They also wanted traction. (Gen 2)
In 2000, the people wanted 1913 rails. (Gen 3)
In 2010, the people wanted the upgrade to the new invention of removable straps, and a nice standard texturing. (Gen 4)
This can be reduced to the simple argument that Glock, and other successful companies, are not idiots. They do what sells, just like what was said about Apple.
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I am indeed lacking in knowledge about Glocks. I do not know what the differences are in the different Generations and apparently some of you don't either hence the name calling.
I did attempt to be humorous about Glocks and when the earth was formed. It seems like a nice way to break the ice. I don't own a Glock simply because it does not fit in with my current shooting needs. That however does not mean I would not buy a Glock if for no other reason than "just because".
Troll, Glock hater, starting hate threads. Wow, I though The High Road was suppose to be better than that. Obivously not. This is clearly a very clannish group.
To the other posters thank you for your opinions that the improvements are probably just marketing hype.
I did attempt to be humorous about Glocks and when the earth was formed. It seems like a nice way to break the ice. I don't own a Glock simply because it does not fit in with my current shooting needs. That however does not mean I would not buy a Glock if for no other reason than "just because".
Troll, Glock hater, starting hate threads. Wow, I though The High Road was suppose to be better than that. Obivously not. This is clearly a very clannish group.
To the other posters thank you for your opinions that the improvements are probably just marketing hype.
BSA. it's everywhere but I must say it doesn't happen here much, the mods here don't take to much crap but I guess this thread is borderline. When you do decide to buy a glock, I'd bet you will buy another that is if you like the way it feels in your had as I do.
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BSA glock fans are just a tad touchie.
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You see, it's all about how you say something.
For example, you said, "But if the beast is so good why do we have four generations on it now?", which certainly comes off as trolling.
Had you stuck to, "Are there problems with the previous three generations that needed to be corrected or are the "improvements" just hype to create more sales?", the thread would have likely taken an entirely different tone.
For example, you said, "But if the beast is so good why do we have four generations on it now?", which certainly comes off as trolling.
Had you stuck to, "Are there problems with the previous three generations that needed to be corrected or are the "improvements" just hype to create more sales?", the thread would have likely taken an entirely different tone.
Skylerbone
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There is little point in asking meaningful questions about Glocks. Ask about chamber support on Gen. 1 they'll say buy a Gen. 2. Ask about shooting lead and they'll tell you to buy a Lone Wolf barrel. Ask if it's as accurate as a 1911 someone will say more so.
Everything I know about Glock I've learned online:
Bad grip angle? Poor shooter.
Bad ergonomics? Poor shooter.
Descent accuracy? Poor shooter.
Have a question or don't care for them? Glock hating troll.
I'd like to think a group of people could come together and discuss meaningful information and that fan or not honesty might prevail.
My thoughts? Glocks don't sell like they used to with all the competition. Costs need to be cut. Most guys don't buy multiples of the same pistol even if many of us do. Glock started with a design so rugged and simple it didn't require refinement, refinement was demanded. If I was in the market for a Glock I'd pick a Gen. 2 G17. Not as ergonomic as a Gen. 3 but in my estimation most reliable Glock ever.
Everything I know about Glock I've learned online:
Bad grip angle? Poor shooter.
Bad ergonomics? Poor shooter.
Descent accuracy? Poor shooter.
Have a question or don't care for them? Glock hating troll.
I'd like to think a group of people could come together and discuss meaningful information and that fan or not honesty might prevail.
My thoughts? Glocks don't sell like they used to with all the competition. Costs need to be cut. Most guys don't buy multiples of the same pistol even if many of us do. Glock started with a design so rugged and simple it didn't require refinement, refinement was demanded. If I was in the market for a Glock I'd pick a Gen. 2 G17. Not as ergonomic as a Gen. 3 but in my estimation most reliable Glock ever.
Re-read how you started your own thread then ask yourself if that was going" the high road".
ps:I love the gen 3's but weary of the gen4's.
thefamcnaj
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Isn't that the truth hahaha. I'm a glock fan boy and for some reason I hate these guns being bashed. Glocks are what started my gun addiction...yes I need help
I own 8 of them and will defend them until I'm blue in the face. If some one rags me about my ruger sr series pistols, I don't care, I just brush it off. If some one rags me about my tacticool remmington 870....so what. Maverick shot gun what a hoot I'm laughing too. Heck even my Dallas Cowboys, and my Carolina Gamecocks...if they stink I'll admit it.
But dont rag on my Ole Lady and my Glocks or I may get defensive
I want to thank bds for his very informative reply
I also want to note to the mods and others that the only Bashing I see in this thread is against the OP but you not to worried about that are you.
Some Glock owners need to stop being so thin skined.
I also want to note to the mods and others that the only Bashing I see in this thread is against the OP but you not to worried about that are you.
Some Glock owners need to stop being so thin skined.
that's what I said three minutes before I got banned but I told 1911 people that, the funny thing about all of that is I have 3X's more 1911's than I do glocks.
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Thanks guys for the supportive replies. You make facing another Monday morning better.
Master Blaster
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The same reason we are not using commodore 64's or IBM PC at's any more.
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I am a 1911 guy and not a fan of Glock, but not a hater either. They just never fit my hand well. With that said, they are good guns. Boringly reliable, capable of running flithy, and durable. The generations of Glock are no different than any other gun's evolution.
First the model of 1911; then the 1911A1; then all the 1911 Combat customs from Pachmayr and others; then beavertails, Novak sites, flared and lower exit ports, beveled magazine wells, and on and on.
Some improvements like FLGRs may not be necessary, just like the grip treatments of later Glock generations may not be necessary. But no one is the same. I have a friend that loves Glocks and he practically alters the entire frame to suit his own needs. I love 1911s, but I don't think I own one that I have not altered in some way.
Just because they released a new generation; doesn't mean they are admitting a problem with the previous version.
First the model of 1911; then the 1911A1; then all the 1911 Combat customs from Pachmayr and others; then beavertails, Novak sites, flared and lower exit ports, beveled magazine wells, and on and on.
Some improvements like FLGRs may not be necessary, just like the grip treatments of later Glock generations may not be necessary. But no one is the same. I have a friend that loves Glocks and he practically alters the entire frame to suit his own needs. I love 1911s, but I don't think I own one that I have not altered in some way.
Just because they released a new generation; doesn't mean they are admitting a problem with the previous version.
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I know the consensus is that the different brands are different guns, but what is a Glock, really? It's a polymer pistol. Just like 1911s, they always come up with new stuff (some use the old stuff), but in the end, Glocks don't have that "old-school" feel, so people are going to want to use new stuff.
So with a 1911, you can get different brands. I don't know them all, because I'm not a 1911 fan, but those who do will tell you "oh you got this brand? no wonder you're having problems." I think its the same with poly guns. Glocks are good, but so are some of the others. Glock is my #2 choice, my #1 being the XDm. Why do I like the XDm? For me, it was the magazine capacity and the look, as well as some other minor differences (which Gen 4 corrected).
So the whole thing of Glock being perfect...it wasn't perfect and never will be. Neither will XDm. Glock was simply the best new thing of its time, and they are just making refinements while other brands are designing whole new pistols to compete. I'd say Glock is doing fine for themselves, and I may even get one down the road...but like I said - it's not my #1.
So with a 1911, you can get different brands. I don't know them all, because I'm not a 1911 fan, but those who do will tell you "oh you got this brand? no wonder you're having problems." I think its the same with poly guns. Glocks are good, but so are some of the others. Glock is my #2 choice, my #1 being the XDm. Why do I like the XDm? For me, it was the magazine capacity and the look, as well as some other minor differences (which Gen 4 corrected).
So the whole thing of Glock being perfect...it wasn't perfect and never will be. Neither will XDm. Glock was simply the best new thing of its time, and they are just making refinements while other brands are designing whole new pistols to compete. I'd say Glock is doing fine for themselves, and I may even get one down the road...but like I said - it's not my #1.
The same reason why Gillette sells a razor with 5 blades, and why next year it will be 6. In 2050, we'll be on Glock generation 11. And to shave, we'll rub our faces on a wall covered with razor blades.
On another note: the machinery that makes the frames wears out eventually. Why not tweak it a little when you replace it? It's all in done with CAD, so it's easy to try some new things on the next go around.
On another note: the machinery that makes the frames wears out eventually. Why not tweak it a little when you replace it? It's all in done with CAD, so it's easy to try some new things on the next go around.
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Lubricant
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I think the Glock vs 1911 brouhaha boils down to,Glock advertised,loudly and repeatedly,From the very begining,That their product is"Perfect".No such hyperbole from the various 1911manufacturers in general.And as a skeptic,I do have to ask"How do you improve on perfection?"
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$cha-ching$...that's why. everything can be improved with time, money and research.
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