If it was up to you to add a marksmanship event for the 2016 Olympics?

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If it was up to you to add a marksmanship event for the 2016 Olympics, what would you add?

The following already exist: 50m Rifle 3 Positions, 50m Rifle Prone, 10m Air Rifle, 50m Pistol 25m Rapid Fire Pistol, 10m Air Pistol, Trap, Double Trap and Skeet.

I would uphold tradition and not allow optics or dots. The rules would follow typical "production" specifications for USPSA and the like. I would also limit it to one firearm (no 3 Gun) to level the field a bit and to guard against equipment races.

I would want one common centerfire round -- the 9mm Parabellum. The course of fire would be set. Either like the Bianchi Cup or Steel challenge -- or perhaps a bit of both.

Much, much different than any other existing event. Alternatively, there could be two new similar events -- one handgun and one long gun event.
 
I would love to see a section with Thompson Center Contenders chambered in .500 Smith.

Recoil mitigation will be critical.
 
Combo event, in this order.
100 meter sprint, timed.
10m handgun, timed, multiplied by the number of shots landing outside of the 9 ring.
500m bike ride, timed.
100 m rifle, timed, same rules as pistol stage above
Rope climb to a platform 5 m above, timed
10 clays coming in pairs every 10 seconds. Multiply time here based on number of clays missed.
Finish the event with a long range rifle shot. Say 500m at a target the size of a softball.

This puts pressure on the athlete to move quickly, but it really puts pressure on the shooting as a clean stage not only would add 0 time, but would also give them a chance to catch their breath.
 
Cooldill said:
I would love to see a section with Thompson Center Contenders chambered in .500 Smith.

Recoil mitigation will be critical.
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I had to come back to this thread. My wrist is sore just thinking about the heavy boomers. I can't imagine 500 being any worse than 45-70 though unless a person is using really wimpy 45-70 rounds.
 
I am sorry that I can't stay within the parameters set. But true long range rifle is such a fascinating game, with ballistic drop and windage, that I can't resist.

300 meters is the limit with open sights (for my eyes, anyway). You could go out to 500 but its just guessing out that far with irons. I'd love to see 1000 meters with a fixed power scope and something less than a Horus reticle.
 
Do keep in mind that the shooting events are centered around .22 RF or air/gas powered ones. The reason is that very few countries allow so called "ordinary people" to have center-fire handguns - and sometimes rifles. The UK is an example where their pistol team has to go out of country to practice. :cuss:
 
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I am sorry that I can't stay within the parameters set. But true long range rifle is such a fascinating game, with ballistic drop and windage, that I can't resist.

300 meters is the limit with open sights (for my eyes, anyway). You could go out to 500 but its just guessing out that far with irons. I'd love to see 1000 meters with a fixed power scope and something less than a Horus reticle.
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Palma shooters reach out to 1000 yards with metallic sights and it's far from guessing
 
WestKentucky said:
Combo event, in this order.
100 meter sprint, timed.
10m handgun, timed, multiplied by the number of shots landing outside of the 9 ring.
500m bike ride, timed.
100 m rifle, timed, same rules as pistol stage above
Rope climb to a platform 5 m above, timed
10 clays coming in pairs every 10 seconds. Multiply time here based on number of clays missed.
Finish the event with a long range rifle shot. Say 500m at a target the size of a softball.

This puts pressure on the athlete to move quickly, but it really puts pressure on the shooting as a clean stage not only would add 0 time, but would also give them a chance to catch their breath.
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Shooting is already part of the modern pentathlon were the marksman is physically stressed before shooting.

I like the idea of something along the lines of Steel Challenge/Bianchi Cup because it tests those things the other shooting disciplines really don't. It would also draw huge crowds -- especially if the shooting was done heads-up -- competitor vs. competitor real time.
 
My event would be a team sport (5 or 10 man with separate divisions for men and women) and would require use of a common mid-length AR (simunition rounds to 5.56 NATO pressures), and a standardized factory handgun in common use by an LE or military force (simunition rounds to 9mm NATO pressures). The event would include strenuous physical activity. Something along the lines of a Spartan Race, followed by armed force on force competition.

Each team member would be required to complete the race portion individually without physical assistance, but it would be done as a group. Any individual unable to complete without physical assistance from his team would have to be carried to the end by his team by any means necessary. Team member abandonment at any point would result in automatic dq for the entire team. At the end of the race, the team with the faster collective time would be given the opportunity to rest or plan while waiting for their opponents, but no extra points or supplies/gear. After everyone from both teams would have arrived, members who completed the race without assistance would arm up and continue to the force on force aspect of the event. Teams would be given unique, random objectives - some of which may include the requirement to engage the enemy, and some of which could (in theory) be done without that confrontation. Thus, it would be possible for one team to end up with a set of missions which all require engagement, while the other team has none.

The event would be designed in a way as to assess and require intense cardiovascular stamina, physical strength, intellect/cunning, and courage. Safety would be considered in course design, but of course not guaranteed. Standardized combat first aid certification would be a prerequisite for participation. Physical engagement in the form of unarmed hand to hand combat would be permitted.

Idk how you'd watch it. I just know I'd want to compete. Who wouldn't?

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Oh. Marksmanship. Well that's less fun. Ok we'd finish with a marksmanship event. Something like a standard military qualification, but for people who don't suck. Lets be honest, the kinda folks winning this event would all be acing a standard qual.

Far as I'm concerned, this event could BE the Olympics. All of it. I'd call it the SuperBowl of the Olympics but I'm not sure that would do it justice.
 
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Terrorist target contest perhaps? paper target, for;) THR clarifiaction

After all, there seems to be so many countries willing to '''get along'' with these types, this continent, that continent, all of europe.
 
I would want one common centerfire round -- the 9mm Parabellum.
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The 9mm cartridge is not accurate enough for this level of competition.

Years ago I met a former Olympic competitor who had won the bronze metal in pistol shooting event. Even then his ability to shoot tight groups at 25 yards was simply awesome. Think along the line of one hole 10 shot group at 25 yards.
 
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My event would be a team sport (5 or 10 man with separate divisions for men and women) and would require use of a common mid-length AR (simunition rounds to 5.56 NATO pressures), and a standardized factory handgun in common use by an LE or military force (simunition rounds to 9mm NATO pressures).
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The Olympics are a source of great national pride in most countries. Why would they be forced to use a American made firearm instead of a gun designed and built in their own country or a gun that is superior than the AR? Do you think for one minute that the Russians would use a AR?
 
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The 9mm cartridge is not accurate enough for this level of competition.

Years ago I met a former Olympic competitor who had won the bronze metal in pistol shooting event. Even then his ability to shoot tight groups at 25 yards was simply awesome. Think along the line of one hole 10 shot group at 25 yards.
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Sure it is.

9mm is commonly shot in the Bianchi Cup and Steel Challenge.
 
High Power, nothing fancier. If other nations wish to be competitive, let them relax their domestic gun laws.

:)

Never happen, though, since the Olympics is supposed to be some starry-eyed dream of world peace (slash bragging arena for dictatorial regimes) and anything more powerful than a 22LR is a 'weapon of war.' Ironic , since many of the classical events are martial arts of various sorts (and javelin couldn't possibly be a militaristic event like shooting rifles is ;))

TCB
 
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How about the 1000 yard Muzzleloading rifle match, like the ones shot in the late 1800's?

Ned Robert's book, The Muzzleloading Cap Lock Rifle, has photos and descriptions of international matches, and the remarkable accuracy that could be obtained.

Most European countries still allow ownership and use of black powder guns, even the UK, so transporting them should not be as problematic as modern firearms.
 
1000 Yard or 1000 Meter rifle shooting.

Pretty sad that there are countries where their Olympic Shooting Team has to leave their home country to shoot.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
BSA1 said:
The Olympics are a source of great national pride in most countries. Why would they be forced to use a American made firearm instead of a gun designed and built in their own country or a gun that is superior than the AR? Do you think for one minute that the Russians would use a AR?
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Are you lost? This is a fantasy thread on the topic of "build your own gun-related Olympic event." If you're interested in a "create a fantasy scenario that I'll try to poke logical holes in" thread, then start one. I'm sure it'll be a real blast.

Frankly, we could change it so each country would be allowed to use whatever guns they want. The Olympics are supposed to measure MAN, not equipment. This event would be designed so that man's limits would be stretched.
 
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Bobson said:
Are you lost? This is a fantasy thread on the topic of "build your own gun-related Olympic event." If you're interested in a "create a fantasy scenario that I'll try to poke logical holes in" thread, then start one. I'm sure it'll be a real blast.

Frankly, we could change it so each country would be allowed to use whatever guns they want. The Olympics are supposed to measure MAN, not equipment. This event would be designed so that man's limits would be stretched.
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The difference is that some suggestions -- Steel Challenge, Palma, Bianchi Cup, high power rifle, long-distance muzzleloaders, etc. could actually become Olympic events.

"armed force on force competition" using simunitions could not.
 
True "run and gun", where the shooting positions would be at least 50 meters away from each other and you had to carry all your shooting equipment through the entire obstacle course. There would be pistol and long gun targets, some paper, some steel or frangible. It would be timed with adjustments for accuracy and requirements to complete the course. No separate divisions for men and women, but separate divisions for civilians and military/LEOs.
 
The Raven Toss. Competitors throw a Raven .25 at a paper "assailant" to simulate an actual self defense situation.
 
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