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If my S&W 442's a J-frame, what's my SP101?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Dr_2_B, Jun 19, 2006.

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  1. Dr_2_B

    Dr_2_B Member

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    Where does Ruger's SP101 fall in the S&W sizing? Would it equal a K-frame I guess?
     
  2. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

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    Not sure if there is a definitive answer!

    Just compared mine against a K and L frame - and I'd say ''K'' is about it.

    Of course the five shot cyl' makes things look smaller but in actual frame size? I'll vote ''K''. ''J'' it ain't :)
     
  3. CB900F

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    Fella's;

    I think it's actually the 'R' frame. :neener:

    900F
     
  4. Jim March

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    Since the SP101 eats out of J-frame speedloaders, I call it a "semi J" :D.
     
  5. SAWBONES

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    It's a beefed-up J.

    The Ruger SP101 loads with the same 5-shot speedloaders that fit S&W J-frames, but it's heavier (about 25 oz.) and much stronger than the Smiths, being quite comfortable to shoot with nothing but full power .357 Magnum loads on a continual basis, and with no fear of breakage or going out of time.

    NONE of the J-frame Smith snubbies can make the same claim. Even the all-steel Model 60s can handle only a modest amount of full power .357 Magnum, and aren't really comfortable to shoot with .357, either.
     
  6. Stephen A. Camp

    Stephen A. Camp Moderator In Memoriam

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    Hello. I think of it as sort of a beefed up J-frame.

    RugerSP101andSW642tile1.jpg
    Both use the same speedloader, but the SP101 seems "stouter" than the J-frame be the latter lightweight or steel.

    Best.
     
  7. Dr_2_B

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    Thanks for the good replies. Here's an important question, then. If I buy a speedloader that will feed my 442, will it also feed my sp101?
     
  8. Brian Williams

    Brian Williams Moderator Emeritus

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    YES on the speedloaders. I have used a ruger moonclip for a sp101 in 9mm in a S&W 940 and I think it works better than the S&W ones.


    In answer to the question it is a Ruger.

    It is between a J and K, Kind of like a Jframe on steroids. It is what S&W should have made their 357 J frame in stoutness and leave the original J frame alone.
     
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    Second best? :neener:
     
  10. Jkwas

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    sp101, the j frame, and taurus small frame all use the same holsters for the most part. I would say it's like a heavy J.
     
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    A "B" frame ;) :
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    I kid because I love.
     
  12. WT

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    In one of the S&W catalogs I recall seeing a M640-1 in .357 magnum being called a "J-Magnum" frame. The dimensions of the frame, bbl, and cylinder are different than a .38 Special J-frame.
     
  13. SAWBONES

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    The differences between S&W .38 Special J-frames and .357 Magnum J-frames are minimal, basically slight differences in cylinder length and diameter, or in a few cases, frame length. Holsters that fit the former will generally fit the latter, and vice versa, for a given barrel length.

    "...sp101, the j frame, and taurus small frame all use the same holsters..."

    Unfortunately, this is NOT true.
    Many S&W J-frame holsters will fit the small frame Taurus guns like the Model 85. After all, all of Taurus' original tooling was what Bangor Punta left there in Brazil when S&W changed ownership, and their original revolver designs were close copies of the Smiths.
    OTOH, holsters made for J-frames WILL NOT fit the Ruger SP101. I have half a dozen J-frames and two SP101s, and all the J-frames fit in the same holsters as each other, but the SP101s won't fit in any of these. It's simply a bigger frame size.
     
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    The SP-101 is a J frame + :neener:
     
  15. Doug Add

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    I know at least one that will. My SP101 rides securely and comfortably in a Kirkpatrick 4100 j frame belt holster.
     
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    A J and a half frame?
     
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    A gunsmith told me that both a colt detective and a Ruger SP101 are "D" frames. I don't know if he was pulling my leg or if that is correct.

    I do know that from talking with holster makers, the same holster will always fit a colt detective (and other similiar colt revolvers like the agent) and a Ruger SP 101.

    Of course, this assumes they all have basically the same barrel length.
     
  18. SAWBONES

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    The D frame is a Colt designation. It has nothing to do with Ruger.
    The D frame and Ruger SP frame are close in size, but the SP is bigger in most dimensions except for cylinder diameter.
     
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    I was told that the SP-101 is actually stronger than the K frame Smiths...I would'nt doubt it myself....Rich
     
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    Take a caliper to any new made "j-frame" and then to an older (before the introduction of the .357 J-frame versions) J-frame. Even the .38's and .22's are built on the new slightly longer .357frame now.
     
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    it would apear that the sp101 is a "J" frame that was built to last, carried a lot and shot as often as you wished, unlike the s&w "J" frame.
    it is simply a beefed up version of the J frame...
     
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