If only every state could be like IL (news article link)

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I saw this news article tonight about a state reps idea to help quell the huge increase in violent crime in Chicago. Is it just coincidence that Ilinois is one of the most anti 2A states out there. The guy wants to call in the national guard...


Lawmakers: Military could quell Chicago violence
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Sunday, Apr 25, 2010

CHICAGO -- Two Illinois lawmakers say violence has become so rampant in Chicago that the National Guard must be called in to help.

Chicago Democratic Reps. John Fritchey and LaShawn Ford made a public plea to Gov. Pat Quinn on Sunday to deploy troops.

The request comes amid a recent surge in violent crime, including a night last week that saw seven people killed and 18 wounded, mostly by gunfire.

Fritchey says Chicago has had 113 homicide victims this year. He says the police department has done a commendable job, but its resources are stretched thin.

Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis says he appreciates the lawmakers' frustration and willingness to help, but doubts the National Guard is the best answer.

A message left for Quinn wasn't returned Sunday.

http://mobile.washingtonpost.com/rs.../04/25/AR2010042503518_mobile.xml&cid=4220443
 
[sarcasm]Gee, you'd think with all the strict over the top gun laws they have that gun violence wouldn't be a problem.

You don't think that dishonest folks are the ones getting the guns instead of law abiding citizens do you?[/sarcasm]


When will these genius lawmakers learn? When they mkake it difficult for honest folks to defend themselves the bad folks eventually figure that out.
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The one thing the NG should do is hand out 1911's to everybody who comes in for one! That way violence will be reduced in short order!
 
The best cure for violence in Chicago would be to enlist every heavy machine operator in the country and put a line of D6 & D8's starting at I-90 and stopping them at about the Wisconsin line. Once the place is bulldozed flat, let it go back to swamp and open the area for hunting.
 
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The best cure for violence in Chicago would be to enlist every heavy machine operator in the country and put a line of D6 & D8's starting at I-90 and stopping them at about the Wisconsin line. Once the place is bulldozed flat, let it go back to swamp and open the area for hunting.
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I can think of another city (almost due south) that we should treat the same.
 
Martial law isn't the answer.
Legal concealed carry is!

Most of the dead are law breakers affiliated with one gang or another.

Legal carry may prevent the deaths of innocents and even unarmed gangbangers who are ambushed and shot down like dogs.

Ciudad Juarez ain't got nuthin' on chitcago!
 
Classic Case For Concealed Carry

I realize that allowing citizens to walk around armed is not the be all end all solution for crime, but I'm sure it helps. Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws, yet their murder rate is higher than the death rate of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. Now, they are seriously considering having to resort to National Guard troops to get crime under control.

Is this not such a glaring example of the ineffectiveness of gun control?
 
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In the US, cities with the worst crime, also generally have the strictest gun control laws.

The question though, is which is caused by which. The anti's will say the strict gun control is in response to the high crime, though it is pretty hard to defend, being not very effective.

Reducing gun control though, will not automatically reduce crime. For one thing, you will still have a culture that is afraid of guns and only a small percentage will carry.

Nationwide, crime has decreased as gun ownership has increased, but that may very well be circumstantial. There are many other factors involved.


What is clear is that gun control laws are ineffective at controlling crime. You can't regulate folks who break the law for a living.

However, that doesn't necessarily mean that removing gun control regulation will reduce crime.
 
No, the questions are:

1. Does stricter gun control cause a reduction in crime?
2. Does stricter gun control cause an increase in crime?
3. Does looser gun control cause a reduction in crime?
4. Does looser gun control cause an increase in crime?
5. Is there a statistically significant relationship between strict/loose gun control and crime?

It is reasonably well-proven that strict gun control laws such as current examples have no net downward effect on crime. The correlation of the reverse is not well-proven, only hypothesized, with a limited body of research accompanying.
 
I completely disagree!

It should be a S&W Model 10 with 250 rounds of .38spl! I mean, these folks have been deprived for so long, they need to work up to a .45! ;)


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The one thing the NG should do is hand out 1911's to everybody who comes in for one! That way violence will be reduced in short order!
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Omaha, Ne has had the same problem with gun violence and has also mentioned using the NG. Like Ill they have very strict gun law, but of course it does nothing to help
 
I just do not understand how they can stand up and applaud the effects of gun control on crime when no city or state that has especially strict gun control has a low crime rate compared to all other more 2nd amendment friendly states. I realize that things such as economic situation, drug use and mental discrepancies, and population size can also contribute to the crime level. But, it must me agreed that there is a negative correlation between gun ownership and crime.

I believe that legal gun ownership reduces crime for several reasons. Gun owners have an effective means of defense, even if partially handicapped. Gun owners tend to be more law abiding because they are worried about loosing their gun rights. Guns also act as a psychological deterrent to most would be criminals. Criminal psychology is much like a predatory animal, they prefer a weaker target.

I think it is absolutely terrible that they are having to consider using the national guard to reclaim the streets. I don't think the crime would be half as bad if citizens could conceal carry.
 
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Pushed IMO

Personally, IF I lived there and had to go anywhere, store, gas, bank, you name it, I'd break the gun law there and carry and let the chips fall where they may IF I was forced to protect my life, with it.

The push works both ways in my view

OMMV,


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The fact of the matter is that every state in the union could be like Illinois. It's worth adding, quickly and loudly: Thank the good lord that every state in the union is not. It's bad enough that we now have the likes of Illinois, California, and New York to contend with.
 
I am an IL resident who use to live in the city but am now in the suburbs. I have seen the madness of Daley and those before him for years. When you hear him talk guns you can see his face get red. He NEVER blames the gang banger...but the maker of the gun or the need for even more laws. With all the various laws that he pushed in, Chicago should be the safest place on earth. Instead, it consistantly has one of the highest murder rates....mainly by the use of handguns. Now, because it is so bad now, there are calls for the national guard. When will the stupid people in Chicago wake up and demand the right to defend themselves? Concealed carry and relaxing the laws would decrease the crime and prove that Daley and the democratic party are no friend of the people.
 
Daley has a real phobia about firearms. He doesn't want the NG because they will have AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, so he mentioned putting them in there with no ammunition.

The biggest laugh was his concern that the NG doesn't have the training or respect for civil liberties, and he's worried the citizens Constitutional rights may be diminished. And if anyone knows anything about diminishing citizens Constitutional rights it's Mayor Daley.

He says you can't fix the problem in one weekend and the solution to the violence is more 'common sense' gun laws.
 
As Uncle Hebivore says, "The world is full of people who can hear a loud bang, feel a sharp pain in the foot, notice smoke trickling out of their holster . . . and never put it all together.":D
 
An armed society is a polite society.

Who said that? Apparently it's worth repeating.
 
Post #6 Ciudad Juarez ain't got nuthin' on Chicago

Ciudad Juarez has Mexican gun control laws (federales keeping the peons from revolting style gun laws) and an insane homicide rate.

Right across the Rio, El Paso has Texan gun control laws (more regulation than some realize but relatively libertarian and a homicide rate lower than the US average (and way lower than Juarez).

Gun control is irrelevant to crime control and continues to be a waste and a political divide.
 
CCW sounds good to us, but I guarantee the lawmakers think the crime problem comes from guns, not criminals.

When I mention CCW as a crime deterrant to my less-enlightened friends their inevitable response is, "Oh yeah, that's just what we need; more guns!"

When I mention the drastic reduction in violent crime in Florida after that state enacted "shall-issue" legislation they just change the subject.

Denial is a powerful force. :banghead:
 
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