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If Private Sales Banned- Where do dealers stand?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Redlg155, Dec 28, 2012.

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  1. Redlg155

    Redlg155 Member

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    Just curious as to how many dealers would take a stand against banning private sales? As I see it,dealers would profit by being able to charge gun owners a "Transfer" and background check fee.

    I for one know of a dealer in my area who would most likely be happy. I went into his shop looking for an AR a year or so ago and was informed that we don't deal with "those" kinds of guns.
     
  2. Grassman

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    I wouldn't darken his door anymore then.
     
  3. Chevelle SS

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    I'd bet a lot of dealers would take advantage of a ban of private sales.
     
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    How do you jump from this dealer specializing in non-tactical type firearms to him being one that would be happy for private transactions to be banned?

    There should be a poll here, and the question should be, "Would you honestly expect licensed dealers to perform transfers for free if FTF transactions were illegal?".
     
  5. Dreamliner787

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    A lot of dealers make more profit on their used guns vs. their new considering the prices that they offer/buy used guns for. So I see more people selling to dealers and/or the dealers charging transfer fees to both buyers and sellers for the transactions.
     
  6. Redlg155

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    I should have mentioned that, and other actions that I have witnessed. That is of course why I don't use the dealer for purchases or transfers when I buy out of state. I won't get into that arguement as to the specifics since that would take away from the question of the thread.

    Unfortunately I can't start a poll, but if the mods would let me I would.
     
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    What do you mean by "take a stand?"
     
  8. CoRoMo

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    Only if they charged more than their expenses totaled. Otherwise it's the opposite of a profit; a loss. And profit is the goal of being in business after all. The goal of business is not to offer a free service to the citizens of the area out of some philanthropic motive.
    I don't suppose that you would feel cheated if the dealers in your area felt it was only fair to charge you for their time and expertise, would you?
     
  9. Redlg155

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    Perhaps I should have said " take a stance?" as in not supporting the inclusion of this in any new gun control legislation.

    Sure..if I could do a chargeback if they didn't have a clue as to what they are talking about for my time and expertise..
     
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    Presumably dealers love the business of guns, and also the 2A. Smart dealers would realize that this is the beginning of the end of the 2A. And they won't be a dealer forever.
    Also will create additional laws to comply with.

    I can't imagine a dealer wanting to prohibit personal transfers.
     
  11. Isaac-1

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    Around here it is already common to see dealers charging $50 or more for FFL transfers for online gun purchases, it seems they feel any gun not bought from them is taking money out of their pockets, so they charge as much as they can get away with.
     
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    Because they are licensed dealers, they will do what is legal. As the OP mentioned, some dealers choose to not sell certain firearms; that is their choice.
     
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    Why do you think private sales will get banned? I guess there will be same conditions for private sales as there are for bussines sales - backround check etc..
     
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    It would be easier to mandate all transactions happen through a FFL than deal with how a private citizen could provably run a check.
     
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    I think it would regulate itself to reasonable fees in most places with multiple FFLs. If everybody is charging $50 one will see oppurtunity and charge $25. He will get all the business untill the others adjust.

    their are a few FFLs in my area that charge $25 for internet purchases
     
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    I don't see how this would be enforceable.

    How do you prove someone didn't have a gun before they mandated FFL transfers.
     
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    How do you propose to stop a sale between myself and an friend?
    Do criminals use FFLs? Do you need a gov't agent to sell golf clubs or kitchen knives or a car?
    Stop making up scenarios and then trying to determine solutions to scenarios that do not exist
     
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    Symply by presenting gun-licence?
     
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    No one can stop you. But it could become illegal to do so. If the "Gun Show Loophole" is ever closed, you'd have to use an FFL to sell a gun to your friend. If you don't use an FFL, and the State investigates your friend for whatever reason, (e.g., where/when he got his gun after a justified shooting) you'd be in trouble.
     
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    I'm a dealer and I would not support even the most minor form of gun control and I don't know of any other dealer that would support any either. If FTF were forced through FFL's I would do those transfers just like I do others everyday. Simple internet transfers are a PITA frankly and I'm not looking to spend my whole day doing only that.
     
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    I'd guess that most of us would rather be required to use a FFL than have a required gun license. I know that's be my preference.
     
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    It is illegal to speed but most of us do it now and again, especially on the interstate.
    It is illegal to drink and drive, but most have had a drink in a restaurant and then drove.
    Most of break laws everyday, even if only in some small way.
    Criminals do not obey laws, neither do Patriots obey laws from a tyranny

    Your choice, you decide
     
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    At the same time they make private sales illegal, they also mandate a registry. If the gun is not on the registry, it is illegal, and any private sale from that point forward is illegal, also. What really would occur is that millions of guns will go into deep hiding and will not be placed on a registry and will be transferred illegally from that point forward, just as many guns that were effected by the 1934 NFA.

    Over the years, I have run across, been offered, and heard stories of many NFA guns that were never placed on the NFA registry and they have been floating around for over 70 years without the government ever knowing that they were out there. It's like the old STG-44 German submachine gun that was turned in at a gun buyback a couple of weeks ago. That gun had been in hiding for 78 years - http://www.necn.com/12/08/12/WW2-we...back/landing.html?blockID=811359&feedID=11106

    With this story, though, I am assuming that the gun was not registered because I'm sure the woman should have known (my wife would definitely know if I had an NFA gun and the laws regulating it). I find it awfully strange that they would give the gun back, so I would tend to believe that maybe it was registered. Regardless of its registration status, there are many NFA firearms that were never registered and the government is clueless as to how many are out there and where they are located......just as they have no idea where any firearms are now that have been previously sold FTF without a paper trail.
     
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    I hate FFL dealers who gouge on fees. No way i would let them control private sales.
    Do not give in . PRivate sales is private sales . DOnt let government dictate no matter what. THe is whats happening in California.
     
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    I don't see the connection between the two sentences.

    As a dealer, I have generally always benefitted from the existence of Arizona's very realistic "private sale" guidelines. It is often one of the greater engines driving sales at local shows and looking for the onesy-twosey dealers who might go along with private sale bans is using a very broad brush.

    The number of times a fella has come up to try to trade out of a gun I'm not interested in yet returned with his cash after making a private deal to get a somethin' I have that he wants bears out that "private sales" can hugely benefit the licensed dealer.
     
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