If the Ak47 Was Never Invented Would the SKS have taken its Place?

[Autopistola]

Wow! Information overload, I've been looking at gun books my whole life but apparently I should have picked up some russian ones to find something different. Never seen a Tokarev with a pistol grip before.

I'd like to see pics of the Sudaev, & Kuzmischeva with a mag in place.

And the AKS-52, well I've always wondered about taking an SKS and making a trigger group that sits right behind the mag.

That Bulkin has a really simple, neato muzzle brake that I might have to homebuild and put on my Saiga.

 

[HorseSoldier]

Actually, that's a pretty good description for one of the rifles that Simonov submitted for the 1952 trials when they were looking for a replacement for the AK-47 (and which the AKM ended up winning). Simonov's rifle was basically a select-fire SKS, fitted into a package with a collapsible stock, and which looks sort of like an AKMS if you look fast (or after a 24 of beer).

AKS-52:

If is was Simonov's folding stock assault rifle, wouldn't it has been the Avtomat Simonova Skladnoy, 1952 model, or the ASS-52?

NATO would have had a field day with that one, I suspect, had the Soviets adopted it.

 

[MTMilitiaman]

If by having more in common mechanically speaking you mean having very little in common with the gas system, you're right.

Technically, yes, since the Garand has no gas piston in the traditional sense, and the gas acts directly on the operating rod. But both it and the AK are long stroke, with rotating bolts, and the AK borrows from the Garand's trigger mechanism. This is a lot more in common than the Garand has with the SKS...

 

[MD_Willington]

Or take the SVT-40, shrink it down a tad and add a 20 or 30 round mag to it.

 

[SDC]

If is was Simonov's folding stock assault rifle, wouldn't it has been the Avtomat Simonova Skladnoy, 1952 model, or the ASS-52?

If they followed the same method of naming, yes, but in this case, "AKS" stood for "Avtomaticheske Karabin Simonova".

 

[mr.trooper]

They already had the Federov Avtomat; the FIRST practical assault rifle, fielded 30 years before the German MP-44. Some minor adaptations could have kept that design competitive until very recently.

 

[HorseSoldier]

Wasn't the Federov deemed to be too complicated in actual field usage?

 

[SDC]

Not necessarily too complicated, but it did see a number of problems when it was over-luibricated, or used in too cold or too dusty conditions. It was also recoil-operated, which is generally considered less reliable, but they had also run out of the stocks of captured 6.5 Arisaka ammo that the Fedorov required; since they were "starting fresh" with a new round and a new rifle, it made sense to go with the more-reliable AK.

 

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[chemist308]

Prilutsky bullpup:

That one looked cool! Probably a lot faster handling too.

 

[Tang419]

If the Ak47 Was Never Invented Would the SKS have taken its Place?

How dare you suggest such hog-wash. EEEEKK, the horror of it.

 

[Famaldehide Face]

The one below compared with the FAMAS would have made it if it wasnt for the AK47, It was more accurate, reliable and cheaper

 

[Autopistola]

Funny, I was just looking up the FAMAS yesterday because I didn't really know how the action worked. I found a good animation somewhere; not sure if it was specifically for the FAMAS, but I got the point. Not sure why that lever delay action isn't more popular.