Off to the range, or so I thought!

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Obviously speculating here:
I think they are trying to eliminate the criminal element's ability to practice in the area.
(I am trying to give them the benefit of the doubt here)
I am told that there are PLO cells in the western areas of the county...and we all know about the hijackers from boynton beach.
Maybe there's a connection there (maybe it's all deep BS)

I have been to that range once, and plan to return too.
The staff is reasonable, not overly friendly but reasonable and the outdoor covered pistol area is pretty good.
The actual rangemaster I met was one hell of a cool guy.

At least it is covered, unlike the 50 yard range at the sheriff's training facility, especially with how hot it is getting here now.
Shooting in the blazing sun with no breeze is a bear.

Last time I was at the PBSO facility we (the entire packed lineup) were swept repeatedly by some non-english speaking guys with an auto 12 ga loaded with 3" slugs.:what: before the range tender noticed.
They played dumb :rolleyes:...me no speaky english...**** then!

I too am pretty upset about not being able to play with my sks there, but I am willing to overlook it in favor of the environment they afford and the fact that they will allow us to bring our own ammo.
You know as well as I do that the ranges around here mandate range ammo only and charge an ungodly price for that crap ammo.

I'll ride with you to markham park!
I've never been there, and this is as good a reason as any...lol

THR day at markham Park...hmmm
 
There is a range around here that will not allow wolf, "or any other sub standard steel cased ammo" on their range. They will sit there all day and give a bunch of crap reasons why you cannot shoot it there.

The truth is, you are not allowed to take brass from this range, and they get :cuss: when they have to sort through the brass buckets in order to remove the steel cases. All before they scrap out brass that is YOURS AND MINE.

The attendance at their range has about halved since they inacted this rule. I do not shop/shoot there anymore.
 
Obviously speculating here:
I think they are trying to eliminate the criminal element's ability to practice in the area.
(I am trying to give them the benefit of the doubt here)
I am told that there are PLO cells in the western areas of the county...and we all know about the hijackers from boynton beach.
Maybe there's a connection there (maybe it's all deep BS)
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This may be one of the reasons, but we all know it's just as easy to buy a AR.:confused:

I have been to that range once, and plan to return too.
The staff is reasonable, not overly friendly but reasonable and the outdoor covered pistol area is pretty good.
The actual rangemaster I met was one hell of a cool guy.
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This is the first time I've been and sorry to say, will be the last. They were friendly till they realized I was shooting a SKS. :scrutiny:

At least it is covered, unlike the 50 yard range at the sheriff's training facility, especially with how hot it is getting here now.
Shooting in the blazing sun with no breeze is a bear.
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But, we are free to fire whatever we would like to (with the exception of F/A, Tracer, and AP rounds) The range is 50,100,200yds on sat. and 300yds on sundays. $5 is the fee and its bring your own ammo. It more than makes up for shooting in the sun.

I too am pretty upset about not being able to play with my sks there, but I am willing to overlook it in favor of the environment they afford and the fact that they will allow us to bring our own ammo.
You know as well as I do that the ranges around here mandate range ammo only and charge an ungodly price for that crap ammo.
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Yeah, I understand, Its $14 for 20 7.62x39 at Gator guns, and Delray shooting center is $20 :banghead:. If you goto rent their F/A MP5 its $20 for a box of 20 9mm :cuss:. YIKES! Their environment is not good enough to get over the fact that they deny a whole cal. Its pretty..stupid..

I'll ride with you to markham park!
I've never been there, and this is as good a reason as any...lol

THR day at markham Park...hmmm
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From what I've heard it's a pretty nice place to go shooting, and its closer than sabastian.

This is also worth looking at if you live in or near Palm beach county, Proposed public shooting facillity near the PBSO Range, if they make it, it seems like a really good place compaired to every range I've seen around here. FWIW, If you ever go to markham park, give me a call, I'll come on down with you. :) I'm not very good with my weapon, but I love practice. :D I also live in Royal palm beach.
http://www.pbcgov.com/fdo/Admin/Downloads/082107 public shoot 8-16-07.pdf
 
that doesn't make any sense at all.
is it the caliber, would a mini-30 be OK?

maybe the reasoning has to do with steel cased ammo. I would ask about steel cased ammo in other calibers, and other rifles in 7.62x39.
 
that doesn't make any sense at all.
is it the caliber, would a mini-30 be OK?

maybe the reasoning has to do with steel cased ammo. I would ask about steel cased ammo in other calibers, and other rifles in 7.62x39.
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steel CASED ammo doesnt do anything. steel CORE ammo is sometimes restricted due to backstop/ fire hazard

this is clearly gun snobbery
 
It's probably what they do at the local range I go to, they do allow AK's/Wolf, but they sell the buckets of casings to people for reloading. I asked them how much they make off a bucket of casings, all they said was, "you wouldn't even believe me if I told you how much we make off that"

It sounds like they're just trying to turn more profits off your brass and are too lazy to sift through the buckets and get out all the steel.

If I were you, I would take an AK there, with a bunch of winchester ammo for it. So if they see the AK then try to give you guff about the ammo, just tell them it's all brass. Then for good measure, bring your AR with a ton of wolf ammo. Just to prove a point at how irrational they're being about the situation.
 
Thank you for your inquirery. AR15's and AR10's are welcomed just not AK's and their variants.
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***?? This is outright discrimination, if you ask me. It's like asking a black man to leave because it's a white man's range. (or vice versa). It also sounds like the BS that antis like Brady will spit out (all AK47s are evil, evil black rifles, etc).
 
Well, its a private range after all and obviously you can always choose to not go there, as well as spread news about this idiot policy of theirs to the local gun community.
Just as a 'test' it would be interesting to bring a VZ-58 to this range and see if they categorize this 'evil looking rifle' as an ak variant :rolleyes:
 
But that is the problem, its not a "private" range per say. I talked to the guy, its open to the public, private members just get extra perks for being "a member." I am not going back there, I found the whole situation pretty funny, funny but confusing.
 
If you really want an interesting day take your AR there, wrap your shooting bench towel around your head and after each shot say "Praise be to Allah"
 
JUSTIN, is that far from miami? i mean if you ever stop in miami go to krome's shooting range, every time i walk with my AK, they get this look of "OMG another evil AK-47" but as look as you shoot safe they are very cool people
 
I'm about 45 minutes away from miami, I never get to chance to go down there but i'll surely goto that range sarduy. I'm trying to find one close to home, but if anything I'll just go set up in my local corbit area. The problem with this place is I couldnt even let them see that I was a safe shooter, I couldnt even squeeze off a round before he ran upto me screaming. Its no big deal, if they want to lose money from all the 7.62 shooters around town, then albeit, I guess I'll take my cash to a range down south, where EVERY caliber is allowed. I just wanted to inform people around the palm beach county area that it is a place that wont allow something, most likely, for a stupid/wrong reason.
 
I e-mailed them asking why they did not allow steel or aluminum "brass" and got the ultra descriptive response:

"It is just our range policy for many reasons."
 
As I understand it the ranges in question are not publicly owned ranges. They are private property. It is nice that they might let folks on by the day or hour, but as a guest you do not get to make the rules.

Ever seen the sign in a resteruant "no shirt, no shoes, no service" or "no service without tie" or "no dogs but guide dogs?"

If they decided to let nothing on but single shots, they can as those are those folks’ ranges.

The two of the three privately owned ( or leased) or operated ranges I have used the last decade or so have members. Those members set the range rules. If they do not want propeller beanies on their range, that is their business. The other range sold “memberships” but was owned and controlled by three business partners. Guess what ? Those three guys get to make the rules on their property.

The OP’s experience was no doubt a bummer, though before I drove an hour I would like to think I could have thought to check for an available website with rules posted, which a later poster indicates was there in this case and plainly said no Aks.

$600 does sound high for annual dues to most folks, but Florida is a sales tax/property tax state ( no income tax) and the value of the property determines annual property taxes. Paid attention to property values (oh the media screams they are falling, but neglect that they more than tripled in most of Florida over the previoius five years) and thought what that might mean to operating costs? The range is in South Florida, can you also say environmentally sensitive land? Want to bet their Best Management Plan for lead and storm water control cost a bit more than some place with actual dirt and stone under it?

In my most recent club we have an awful lot of carpet baggers, excuse me, retired northerners, that are constantly attemptng to change the club bylaws and range operating rules. Guess what? About every year some one that spent their whole life paying taxes into another state’s sytem, decided it might be nice to live in Florida and proceeds to tell us rednecks we don’t know how to blow our own noses attempts to pass a resolution from the floor to ban “AK” or Assualt rifles or machine guns from our range. Every year for the last seven years. Never once a cracker, rasised locally. The only way to prevent the north eastern retired registered Democrat “no one needs anything other than what I shoot” or “anyone that shoots anything I don’t like is a thug” from taking over the operation of a range is to be a member of that club and be active in club politics. For instance some in my club were so P.O. ed about steel case and berdan ammo ( 90 pecent of which was 7.62x39 by actual count) that was left un picked up or swept on our range and which had contributed to falls as a result that if was difficult to convince them not to ban such ammunition from the range., but by being a voting member I was able to speak against the proposal along with others and defeat the move. I want to shoot, not politic, but you really can not expect to do one without the other.

Some one that jumps in a car and just show up at a range an hours drive away that has not spent the money for membership, spent the workdays on the range, and not participated in preventing gun snobs from banning what ever they want has not one ounce of weight for complaining.

They do not need your occasional business.

Find another place to shoot. Research before you drive.

Personally I think a blanket rule against a whole class firearms is offensive and stupid. That, however isn not my or your range.

-Bob Hollingsworth
 
As I understand it the ranges in question are not publicly owned ranges. They are private property. It is nice that they might let folks on by the day or hour, but as a guest you do not get to make the rules.

Ever seen the sign in a resteruant "no shirt, no shoes, no service" or "no service without tie" or "no dogs but guide dogs?"

If they decided to let nothing on but single shots, they can as those are those folks’ ranges.

The two of the three privately owned ( or leased) or operated ranges I have used the last decade or so have members. Those members set the range rules. If they do not want propeller beanies on their range, that is their business. The other range sold “memberships” but was owned and controlled by three business partners. Guess what ? Those three guys get to make the rules on their property.

The OP’s experience was no doubt a bummer, though before I drove an hour I would like to think I could have thought to check for an available website with rules posted, which a later poster indicates was there in this case and plainly said no Aks.

$600 does sound high for annual dues to most folks, but Florida is a sales tax/property tax state ( no income tax) and the value of the property determines annual property taxes. Paid attention to property values (oh the media screams they are falling, but neglect that they more than tripled in most of Florida over the previoius five years) and thought what that might mean to operating costs? The range is in South Florida, can you also say environmentally sensitive land? Want to bet their Best Management Plan for lead and storm water control cost a bit more than some place with actual dirt and stone under it?

In my most recent club we have an awful lot of carpet baggers, excuse me, retired northerners, that are constantly attemptng to change the club bylaws and range operating rules. Guess what? About every year some one that spent their whole life paying taxes into another state’s sytem, decided it might be nice to live in Florida and proceeds to tell us rednecks we don’t know how to blow our own noses attempts to pass a resolution from the floor to ban “AK” or Assualt rifles or machine guns from our range. Every year for the last seven years. Never once a cracker, rasised locally. The only way to prevent the north eastern retired registered Democrat “no one needs anything other than what I shoot” or “anyone that shoots anything I don’t like is a thug” from taking over the operation of a range is to be a member of that club and be active in club politics. For instance some in my club were so P.O. ed about steel case and berdan ammo ( 90 pecent of which was 7.62x39 by actual count) that was left un picked up or swept on our range and which had contributed to falls as a result that if was difficult to convince them not to ban such ammunition from the range., but by being a voting member I was able to speak against the proposal along with others and defeat the move. I want to shoot, not politic, but you really can not expect to do one without the other.

Some one that jumps in a car and just show up at a range an hours drive away that has not spent the money for membership, spent the workdays on the range, and not participated in preventing gun snobs from banning what ever they want has not one ounce of weight for complaining.

They do not need your occasional business.

Find another place to shoot. Research before you drive.

Personally I think a blanket rule against a whole class firearms is offensive and stupid. That, however isn not my or your range.

-Bob Hollingsworth
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Wow, that was quite the rant. Do you feel better?
 
A lot of ranges don't want steel ammo. It's stupid in my opinion. I don't get mad, I get even.

I show up with my .45 GAP. Most places don't reload it and the dollar signs in their eyes quickly disolves when they realize it's not .45 ACP.
 
If you're going to go on your rant, please do read the posts after the first.

This all the info for the range: Note: I didn't see website for traveling, I only seen the range from driving by.
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I wasnt informed of the website until they told me it while I was leaving.

As I understand it the ranges in question are not publicly owned ranges. They are private property. It is nice that they might let folks on by the day or hour, but as a guest you do not get to make the rules.
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Again, wrong, The $600 is for a "Full membership" which includes:

For just $600.00 annually pre-construction and $1,250.00 for those that join after, you get great discounts on shooting sports, firearms and accessories. You also get access to special member shoots and events. Join the club now and get in on the ground floor. If you join now at the pre-construction rate it will not increase even after construction is complete.

Some one that jumps in a car and just show up at a range an hours drive away that has not spent the money for membership, spent the workdays on the range, and not participated in preventing gun snobs from banning what ever they want has not one ounce of weight for complaining.
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Again, you have to read past the first post, let me quote myself.

It no big deal, its kinda odd that the only caliber not permited would be the 7.62.
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In atleast 3 posts I clearly said it was no big deal, this post was to blow off steam and inform people of a range that bans a entire caliber, and maybe there was a good reason that someone here could inform me of. Again, I say no worries, A member informed me of a closer range, and I have already called and they allow 7.62. :neener:
 
It would be fun to show up with a Russian Dragunov. Superficially, it looks like an AK, but is not related in any way.

They can rant and rave, but it would be legal under their rules!:neener:
 
I see the range is a fan of the Obama logic.

"We don't want AK type rifles here because we don't"

"I like Obama because i do"
 
These ranges that won't let you pick up your own brass: how do they react to a Brass Catcher?

Do they only confiscate your property if it hits the ground?

I always dump revolver empties into my hand, then toss 'em in my range bag for reloading. Would they try to stop me?

I'm glad I don't shoot at a place like that!

(And a lot of people think the range I shoot at is expensive! Well, it IS ten minutes from my house!)

http://www.associatedgunclubs.org/rangefacilities.htm
 
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