If they come for your guns do you have the responsibility to fight?

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Good article regarding the constitution. It posts a very basic question and gives a well thought out answer.

Do we have the responsibility to fight a tyrannical government? Who is willing to protect their rights. The US isn't a democracy and the constitution is the final law even if the majority don't agree with it.

The article is in the spirit of the marine who wrote the letter to Dianne Feinstein.

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That's certainly a well-written article. He maintains his essay at the idea level, and that's where "the rub lies".

He touches on the concept that an elected Federal official must defend and uphold the Constitution. That in itself is a point of controversy. From a purely political interpretation, the President, and all other Federal officials taking an oath to uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution, would have to literally obey the U.S. Constitution, ignoring a lot of laws passed in the interim.

For instance, the literal interpretation of the 2nd Amendment would mean that no laws could be passed that limit gun ownership. We know from experience, though, that the GCA of 1968, and other Federally-passed laws, have put limits on gun ownership, and those have been upheld as constitutional.

Literal interpretation of the 4th Amendment would pretty much rule out things like phone taps, text messaging files, etc., since those technologies weren't around in 1789. And there are those who argue, quite logically, that technology doesn't transcend the Framers original intent.

It would be a daunting task for any government agency to start confiscating guns. While there may not be an active, organized resistance, there would be plenty of hostile action. There is also the question of manpower. Just how does an agency go about trying to gather the resources to enact such a law? Remember, it was only a few years ago, that police in New Orleans started confiscating guns after hurricane Katrina. I'm quite certain they didn't get all the guns. It took a bit, but it was finally ruled that the NOPD had far exceeded their constitutional authority.

What happens when folks resist? And it would happen. Ruby Ridge is one example, and there undoubtedly would be thousands of other incidents.

And just where are all the guns? No one knows where all 300 million are.

And just how quickly would someone file a law suit in Federal court(s) seeking an immediate injunction against such a law? And there will be Federal judges out there who would grant injunctive relief in a heartbeat. There undoubtedly would be a number of state governments which would have something to say on the subject.

We could very well end up with a bunch of "Lexingtons" and "Concords", and that would guarantee that the United States would cease to exist as a united nation.

A number of years ago, there was a PBS series titled "The Constitution - That Delicate Balance". When the 2nd Amendment discussion came up in the series, there was a scenario where there was civil unrest in a town. A Federal judge stated he would confiscate all the guns to quell the unrest; but not one of the other judges or attorneys on the panel questioned him on his authority to even issue such an order.

It makes for a great "what if", but even in the current climate, I doubt that the scenario would ever play out.
 
If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty.

This is pure fantasy...and not very helpful in a serious discussion of how law-abiding citizens should best protect their rights.

Tinpig
 
This is pure fantasy...and not very helpful in a serious discussion of how law-abiding citizens should best protect their rights.

Tinpig

It isn't fantasy...but at the moment it is hyperbole.

If they pass a law that says all privately owned firearms must be turned in, certainly law abiding citizens would turn them in.

History is full of people who did not abide by laws and eventually got their picture on money though.

Our founding fathers debated vigorously that the best way to get what they wanted from Great Britain was through discourse with the King and Parliament. Eventually they came to the realization that discourse would not work, and armed insurrection was the only recourse.

Luckily we are not even close to that at this point and probably never will be in the lifetime of anyone on this board. To think we never will be is dangerously naive.

Remember, you have a right to nothing, which you give others the right to take away.
 
Don't expect this thread to stay open very long.
I seriously doubt that a thread about shooting and killing authorities is gonna make it for any length of time on THR.
 
You have a responsibility to follow your conscience. You also have a responsibility to have a well formed conscience and to help your children to develop well formed consciences.

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I don't see it as an article about killing. The author states it explicitly as a last resort.

His point is what should we be willing to do to defend our rights and if we've got the fortitude to follow through with it or will we give in.

Right now we need to make our voices heard with our representatives.

Its an interesting read and as of now that's all it is. However, like the article states, I wonder what people will do if our representatives fail us and require registration or worse confiscation.

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As I told my neighbor the other night...

I don't want to have to physically fight for my 2nd Amendment rights. I will do what I need to do to give my children the country they deserve to live in. If it is at my expense, I hope they can understand.
 
Serious thought better left to exactly that...........one's thoughts. Not publicly posted for all to see.
This is the kind of mindset that is destroying America.

What is so bad about discussing this type of thing?! Maybe we should never discuss the American Revolution, the American Civil War, or any of the history of the men who died to make America the great place it was 100 years ago.

Only a fool tries to silence those seeking justice.

Just because America isn't already in a state of tyranny doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss the obvious change we're seeing all around us. You don't wait until you're being actively oppressed to discuss changes you see in the mentalities and goals of those in your government.
 
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"If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty."

"This is pure fantasy...and not very helpful in a serious discussion of how law-abiding citizens should best protect their rights."
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Spoken like a true modern day Loyalist.

The high roads' desire to be PC has led this board to be cesspool of compromize in the face of controversy and cowardess in the face of tyranny. Just because its a law doesn't make it moral, right or constitutional.
 
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We have the responsibility to disobey unjust laws. That would obviously indicate peaceful resistance. Guns are borne by private citizens for defense. The citizenry does not wage war. If you wait long enough for officers/goons to come to your house and ask you to step outside, you are far, far too late to resist anything.

Law or no law, justice or injustice; if your life is threatened, you have the right to defend it.

TCB
 
When a Government can listen in to your private conversations and can kill ANYONE with a missile fired from a drone, tyranny already reigns and shooting people come to collect your guns is a bit nonsensical.
 
When a Government can listen in to your private conversations and can kill ANYONE with a missile fired from a drone, tyranny already reigns and shooting people come to collect your guns is a bit nonsensical.
That sounds mighty defeatist. So we should just obey the masters because they know better?

Lets work within the framework of our government, until we have no other option. Use of force is a last resort, I just hope or leaders feel the same about that.
 
Don't expect this thread to stay open very long.
I seriously doubt that a thread about shooting and killing authorities is gonna make it for any length of time on THR.

Yep, that is why they should never have allowed American History to be taught because it might contain details about the Revolutionary War and the shooting and killing that was done in the name of "freedom". :evil:

Certainly, it is a grave and serious subject and should be approached in a grave and serious way - without chest-thumping and bravado statements. We are, however, involved in discussions about guns and how they are part of our American Way of Life. If those discussions are not to be allowed, then this site needs to be redefined as a target-shooting and sportshunter's website and leave it at that.
 
Don't expect this thread to stay open very long.
I seriously doubt that a thread about shooting and killing authorities is gonna make it for any length of time on THR.
Then how could we discuss the Revolutionary War or the founding of our nation? Because that's exactly what our forefathers did.
 
Certainly, it is a grave and serious subject and should be approached in a grave and serious way - without chest-thumping and bravado statements. We are, however, involved in discussions about guns and how they are part of our American Way of Life. If those discussions are not to be allowed, then this site needs to be redefined as a target-shooting and sportshunter's website and leave it at that.
I agree wholeheartedly. I don't see how one could disagree without being hypocritical.
 
dark.zero.x defeatist????
No! Realist!!
IF the .Gov were to ban firearms then the next step would be to Allow certain measures be implemented to "Maintain the peace"
We do it now in other countries, it isn't beyond the scope of farsightendness to see what could happen here.

Our best hope is mirrored in the words of the late Rodney King.
"Can't we all just get along....Please."
 
I would love to say exactly what I feel about this situation but to do so would wind up being banned from THR, and most likely Big Brother would be reading what I said which would put a big red flag beside my name if its not there already. By the time the country gets it head out of its own backside and attempts to VOTE people out it will be too darn late. And how many years will it take to return to what is close to what we have now. I would just advise everyone to pay attention, wear out the keyboard writing to senators, congress persons, Governor's even a few email's to the guy that sweeps up the streets.
 
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