CajunBass
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Sounds about right to me. I don't see why it's such a big deal.
If you carry with a full mag +1, how do you do it?
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Sounds about right to me. I don't see why it's such a big deal.
CypherNinja
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For my P3AT + Pocket Holster:
1) Load magazine
2) Insert mag into gun and rack slide
3) Place gun in soft pocket holster (trigger is now covered)
4) Remove magazine, placing holstered gun on convenient safe surface
5) +1 and replace magazine
6) Place holstered gun in pocket
Voila!!! 10 seconds tops.
Also, the P3AT is operationally very similar (DAO, no safety) to a DAO revolver, so I have a strong tendency to treat the holster like a 'safety.'
I.E. The gun spends lots of time in it.
1) Load magazine
2) Insert mag into gun and rack slide
3) Place gun in soft pocket holster (trigger is now covered)
4) Remove magazine, placing holstered gun on convenient safe surface
5) +1 and replace magazine
6) Place holstered gun in pocket
Voila!!! 10 seconds tops.
Also, the P3AT is operationally very similar (DAO, no safety) to a DAO revolver, so I have a strong tendency to treat the holster like a 'safety.'
I.E. The gun spends lots of time in it.
In theory it could, but it does not seem to do so, at least not with any firearm I have owned or operated. I will agree with you absolutely, however, if you own a gun that does not want to run with a full administrative load; download that puppy by one, or do something to make it run at capacity (stiffer recoil spring, perhaps?).
I own a M&P40 and an M&P40c, and while neither of them is running 100% (see my sigline), I have yet to have a malfunction that could be attributed to running it at a full admin load.
Mike
jad0110
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Gotta respectfully disagree with the last sentence. Sorry if this gets off topic a little.
Since the Series 70 does not have a firing pin safety/block like the Series 80, a lowered hammer resting against the firing pin is actually more likely (though certainly not gauranteed) to ignite the primer if the gun is dropped. Unlikely, perhaps. I wouldn't want to chance it.
As for cocked-and-locked in a 1911, I read a great account of a guy over on 1911Forum whose 1911 fell out of his backpack while riding his motorcyle down the freeway (unloaded, but cocked and locked). The gun hit the ground at highway speed and got run over a bunch of times in heavy LA traffic. When he retrieved it, it was still cocked and locked. For the record, the 1911 in question was a stainless Springfield GI. The story and pics are can be viewed here: http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=174946
As for loading, I use the "Barney" method discussed by others most of the time. Seems to be the simplest, safest method. With my 1911, before loading the pistol I always check to verify that all the safety features are in good working order:
-Grip safety operation
-manual safety operation
-disconnector operation
-lastly, I check for hammer follow-thru by putting moderate pressure on the hammer while trying to wiggle it to see if it releases.
Only then do I load up. I gently lower the slide as well, like someone else mentioned I don't want to chance a slamfire in my house, no matter how unlikely that may be. And though capacity is not the #1 priority on my list (I happily pocket carry a 5-shot J Frame all the time), I figure if it'll hold X + 1, I may as well use it. I don't load 4 in my 642 afterall
.The only gun I am aware of that might have an issue with snapping around a rim when the cartridge is already chambered is the 1911. And most of these if set up correctly, will do just that for ever with no reason to worry.
My question is why unload the gun? Mine only gets unloaded when it is shot or for cleaning, and if its my carry gun its getting shot at least once a week. so it gets cleaned, loaded and left till i shoot. I shoot my carry gun at practice once a week.,
at night it goes under the pillow, at dawn it goes on the belt, simple.
if you are afraid of handling the gun then do not carry one. please. Either train yourself that it is second nature, so you will find that the biggest safety is the operator, not the lever, or do not carry. Because if you can not manage safe gun handling, then when trouble shows up, whats going to happen when you are loaded with adrenalin.
My question is why unload the gun? Mine only gets unloaded when it is shot or for cleaning, and if its my carry gun its getting shot at least once a week. so it gets cleaned, loaded and left till i shoot. I shoot my carry gun at practice once a week.,
at night it goes under the pillow, at dawn it goes on the belt, simple.
if you are afraid of handling the gun then do not carry one. please. Either train yourself that it is second nature, so you will find that the biggest safety is the operator, not the lever, or do not carry. Because if you can not manage safe gun handling, then when trouble shows up, whats going to happen when you are loaded with adrenalin.
This thread made me curious, so I tried full mags in the M&P 9 again. They now seat with reasonable pressure when full. I didn't expect the springs to break-in that much especially only loading 10 rounds (USPSA production division) most of the time.
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I know a guy who is still around because he had that last round. He was an LEO in a town a bit south of here at the time.
The local fire department was doing an exercise, using a vacant house. He was doing traffic control on the street. A call came out about a bank robbery, and he got ready to leave and help in the search. About then a car drove over the fire hoses. He stopped the car, and the driver stepped out and opened fire. He had found the bank robber.
He was hit before he even got his door open and started returning fire. He was shot a total of four times during the fight. His own marksmanship wasn't all that good, understandable in those circumstances. The sixteenth shot from his Smith 9mm was his first hit, but it ended the fight, and the life of the robber.
He survived mostly because aid was right there, in the form of the entire city fire department.
And because he had all the rounds his gun would hold. He wouldn't have managed a reload with his wounds, at least not in time to make any difference.
When they come up with a 50 shot pistol, sign me up.
The local fire department was doing an exercise, using a vacant house. He was doing traffic control on the street. A call came out about a bank robbery, and he got ready to leave and help in the search. About then a car drove over the fire hoses. He stopped the car, and the driver stepped out and opened fire. He had found the bank robber.
He was hit before he even got his door open and started returning fire. He was shot a total of four times during the fight. His own marksmanship wasn't all that good, understandable in those circumstances. The sixteenth shot from his Smith 9mm was his first hit, but it ended the fight, and the life of the robber.
He survived mostly because aid was right there, in the form of the entire city fire department.
And because he had all the rounds his gun would hold. He wouldn't have managed a reload with his wounds, at least not in time to make any difference.
When they come up with a 50 shot pistol, sign me up.
There it is!
As for "+1", I never draw my pistol to arrange my loads in front of anybody,
including my wife. I will do it in my bedroom, or my home office, but
there will be no one else present when I do it.
And like others have said, I will insert mag, rack and chamber, drop mag,
lay the gun down either on the bed, or on a desk, top off mag, re-insert,
and holster.
It's really just not that complicated, I just like to be able
to do it without ANY distractions. So I make sure I'm alone when I do it.
Walter
Chris Rhines
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Load magazine into pistol.
Cycle slide.
Tac-load pistol with fresh magazine.
Holster pistol.
Top off extra magazine with one round and place in carrier.
Not hard. No need to ever lay the gun or magazine down.
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Cycle slide.
Tac-load pistol with fresh magazine.
Holster pistol.
Top off extra magazine with one round and place in carrier.
Not hard. No need to ever lay the gun or magazine down.
- Chris
karz10
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I don't know if anyone else suggested this as well, but I saw Chris' post above, and have to agree. I've done it the other way, but this is actually cleaner IMO now that I think about it. I think it's still ok to put the chambered weapon in a safe place to top off the one mag, if that's all you have on you, but this suggestion makes sense to me...
Karz
nwilliams
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I don't do it so I guess I can't be of help here.
I load my mag fully and then chamber the top round. IMO (and the opinion of all my gun instructors over the years) has been that you your mag should be minus one. For example a 10rd mag is carried with 9rds and 1 in the chamber, even when I carry my 1911 with an 8rd mag I carry it with 7+1. I carry all my mags -1, here are my reasons.....
Having a little play in the mag spring makes it easier for the slide to rip that top round off and provides a more reliable feed. The mag itself is less likely to bulge, especially with plastic mags. Inserting a mag that has a some play in the spring is easier and allows for a nice clean lock, especially for tactical loading and speed shooting.
Now I'm not saying this is the right way to do it, its just my way and the way I was trained. Having one extra round isn't that important to me, I always carry extra mags.
I load my mag fully and then chamber the top round. IMO (and the opinion of all my gun instructors over the years) has been that you your mag should be minus one. For example a 10rd mag is carried with 9rds and 1 in the chamber, even when I carry my 1911 with an 8rd mag I carry it with 7+1. I carry all my mags -1, here are my reasons.....
Having a little play in the mag spring makes it easier for the slide to rip that top round off and provides a more reliable feed. The mag itself is less likely to bulge, especially with plastic mags. Inserting a mag that has a some play in the spring is easier and allows for a nice clean lock, especially for tactical loading and speed shooting.
Now I'm not saying this is the right way to do it, its just my way and the way I was trained. Having one extra round isn't that important to me, I always carry extra mags.
CajunBass
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+1 that.
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