If you CCW, please read this ...

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And if its warm out, the device is useless.
If he's wearing a jacket, the device is useless.

The device is useless. Just another waste of taxpayer money ...
 
As usual the problem is that slow creeping into what little protection we have left against unlawful search. They say they want to use it on criminals vs frisking but you know good and well that the Mayor will stretch the limits of lawful searches with something like that.
 
"Since the infrared rays cannot pass through metal..."
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yes!......i knew one day my tin foil holster business would come in handy......im going to make Millions!

although im not a lawyer......im almost certain that something like this constitutes an "illegal search".....

we can only hope that if it ever goes into effect, that someone will have the means to fight it in court.
 
In my amateur opinion, I just think it may be a violation of a person's constitutional rights to have a police van with a machine attached to it looking for folks who may have a CCW while they walk down a public street minding their own business.

Just my thoughts.

Thanks .........
 
Since it is nearly impossible for a law abiding person to CCW in New York City, the NYPD will now have another tool at their disposal.

This tool would be useless to my local PD as a high percentage of people in my area legally carry.
 
It sounds to me like this is just a finely tuned infrared camera. I'm not sure what the controversy would be for those that CCW. As long as it doesn't emit harmful radiation and the police use it only in place of a pat down (ie, they don't mindlessly drive up and down the street scanning people that they otherwise legally couldn't pat down) I don't see a problem with it.

Can we trust the NYPD to do that? Probably not. They already have mobile x-ray vans that run around and scan cars parked on the side of the road. But, this isn't a gun issue, rather a 4th amendment issue.
 
And if its warm out, the device is useless.
If he's wearing a jacket, the device is useless.
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Doesn't sound like that's the case, unless the jacket is lined with foil.

That said, you have to think about things like polymer frames. Sure there's bits and pieces of metal here and there, but depending on the sensitivity they might just get a vertical "stick" reading from the slide/barrel rather than seeing the outline of a gun.

I wonder where the false positives come into play too. If all they get is a "stick" looking reading from the slide, then I might be in a whole heap of trouble if I ever visit New York: I've got a metal plate in my leg (there from breaking it 10 years ago) that would line up almost exactly with the profile view of a slide, and is in the perfect position to look like I have a gun in an ankle holster.
 
I wonder if a line of clothing with a thin layer of metal would be enough to block it.
 
Wow i'm not sure how thats not an illegal searching device.

"Since the infrared rays cannot pass through metal..."
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yes!......i knew one day my tin foil holster business would come in handy......im going to make Millions!
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But thats the whole idea infared rays are blocked by the metal on the gun, a tin foil lined holster would light up like a christmas tree in theory. I think ya need tin foil underwear or bodysuits :uhoh:
 
They want to mount it to a van?? Sounds like those van Homeland security ordered with side view radar. One more way to search you with out you knowing it!
 
But thats the whole idea infared rays are blocked by the metal on the gun, a tin foil lined holster would light up like a christmas tree in theory. I think ya need tin foil underwear or bodysuits
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Blast!!! my plans are......foiled.

i guess i now need to start weaving steel wool into yarn so i can knit them into a scanner proof suit!.....NYPD cant keep me down.
 
I'm so thankful that I've lived in Az. my entire life. I can't fathom the thought of having to apply for a permit to carry, a permit to purchase, gun registration, and all the other garbage some states require.
 
Guys,

Infra-red radiation is just heat.

Look up how thermal cameras work. Thats all this is. (The image in the news story is obviously doctored)

If you cover something, you obscure its heat pattern. If something is the same temperature as something else, its blends together.

If your gun is touching your body it will heat up to your body temperature through conduction. Then it will be invisible to thermal cameras.

If you are wearing anything to obscure the heat pattern, (say, a jacket) your jacket will warm up to a neutral temperature and will be that was throughout the entire material, obscuring your firearm as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cihfP6m9kWg

And now you know, and knowing is half the battle. (The gun is for the other half :D)
 
1- I cant wait for cops to toss someone to the ground at gun point because they thought his EDC flashlight was a gun.

2- Smart criminals will carry metal "square rulers" and then sue when they are arrested.
 
This will never be put into play, and if they try, the ACLU, will come in handy for a change. It's a privacy invasion. People with medical problems and knee and back surgeries with metallic screws and rods will be firing this thing off like crazy. Plus all kinds of devices that folks carry for social and business reasons. Even metal cases for phones and anything else like the metal wallets for anti scanning credit cards will be screwing up the patterns. It's a definate invasion of privacy issue. A nice business would be metallic foil underware, totally screw up the whole thing, or a metal belt, like the old motorcycle chain type.
 
I is rich I tell you, rich!!!!! :uhoh:

Ya' remember back when you had to put film in a camera to take a picture? Well they made lead-foil lined bags to pack film in so the X-Ray machines at the airports wouldn't ruin folk's film while they traveled.

One of them would be the al-ti-mate thing to pack my pistol in while I'm in the rotten... I mean Big Apple.

I can sell them old bags for big bucks. :evil:

As for myself, I won't need one cuz' I have no intention of going to, or getting near to New York City... :neener:
 
NYPD developing mobile gun scanner

4th amendment much?

excerpt: The NYPD is developing a new device that can detect whether a perp is carrying heat without frisking him, Commissioner Ray Kelly announced today.

The large mechanism uses infrared rays to scan a “form of radiation emitted from the body” of someone who is concealing a gun on the streets of the Big Apple, Kelly said at the Police Foundation’s State of the NYPD breakfast.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...o_detect_HpGz6WUXC9Ji7qaifcCxkN#ixzz1jksMYNqJ
 
Yes, this is going to be very sketchy at best in its effort to stand the test of court, especially at a time when red-light cameras are already being struck down in many places across the nation.
 
I agree that this sort of device is unconstitutional.

Unfortunately our present Government, at all levels, spend more time in schemes to avoid pesty restrictions of the Constitution, which only purpose is to limit Government power.

Of course when the costs come down, private establishments could use the machine to scan their customers, then restrict them.

Go figure.

Fred
 
Sounds like the constitution is going being brushed aside if they deploy this on random people for no reason at all.
 
And if its warm out, the device is useless.
If he's wearing a jacket, the device is useless.

The device is useless. Just another waste of taxpayer money ...
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Perfect! Sounds like my department will be buying a lot of these!
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such a device needs a huge number of false positives

NYC residents, it is your duty to wander about with gun-shaped pieces of cardboard with aluminum foil pasted on ... have fun!
 
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