"I'll never reload cuz I've seen to many guns blow up"

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I know a few English majors that couldn't turn a screw to save their a$$, it takes all kinds ........
Ain't that the truth. :D

Couldn't find their A** in the dark with both hands. :rolleyes:

All different kinds of smart. Really bad grammer irritates me as much as anyone, (my mom impressed it upon me ;)) but we have folks from all over the world posting here and some errors will occur, even from those who's first language is English. No big deal. :)

Oh yea, grammar police are pretty irritating as well. :cool:

It still boils down to preparation and focus when reloading.
 
"Oh yea, grammar police are pretty irritating as well."

Yep. Since we are running a tangent topic anyway, I love Mark Twain's comment that he didn't have much respect for a man who could only spell a word one way.

Twain (Clement) was a VERY bright guy. It's a shame that his work isn't PC these days, our kids are missing some great wisdom from him. Oh well, it's just liberals at work ....
 
ranger335v said:
Oh well, it's just liberals at work ....
Speaking of literal accuracy, its about time we stop calling them liberals, since the concept of PC is definately not liberal. Facist, communist, socialist perhaps, but definately not liberal.
 
Knew a guy that was killed in a car wreck. Guess I shouldn't drive or ride in a car. :eek:

No distractions. That is one of the keys to reloading safely.
I visually check each and every casing before seating the bullet. No double charges that way. And no squibs either. I learned the squib thing the hard way. I "got that fixed" by visually checking every charge.

If you want to shoot hot loads, may I suggest getting a larger caliber and a shorter barrel or light alloy frame. Don't scoop your loads to get there.
 
Knew a guy that was killed in a car wreck. Guess I shouldn't drive or ride in a car.
I had to drive 70mls today with snow falling and the road was iced over, I passed by the seen of a roll over crash, I later learned the driver was killed, he was not wearing his seat belt and was ejected from the vehicle. There is a lesson to be learned here, driving is far more dangerous than reloading, and if you are careless you're living on borrowed time no matter what you're doing.
 
Maybe we should vote to outlaw knives and maybe matches, hey all these criminals were seen breathing air, maybe we should outlaw air! :what:Why is it in America that you get in more trouble for kicking a dog than you do butchering a baby?:mad: How long will the can/will doos put up with being taxed by the pencil pushin, double talkin, pinochio can't doos, voted in by the won't doos?:eek: Hey the spellin thing was just pokin a little fun @ the thicker skinned folks, didn't mean to injure the esteem of any young potential liberals. i'm hoping to get some of these bumbles enrolled in Yukon Cornelius' school for bumbles. gonna shut up now.:neener: LB
 
thats good..dont reload, it just leaves more for me.

I never figured out the law either. You can go down and have an abortion and kill human life but you walk across the street and pop the neighbors dog and see which one lands ya in jail! or better yet, go cutdown a redwood tree...end up with a life sentence on that one.
 
I never figured out the law either. You can go down and have an abortion and kill human life but you walk across the street and pop the neighbors dog and see which one lands ya in jail! or better yet, go cutdown a redwood tree...end up with a life sentence on that one.

You come across the street and pop MY DOG, you'll be ducking bullets! That's destruction of private property, against the law. As gun owners, we HAVE to be damn careful to adhere to ALL laws. A felony arrest and conviction, can permanently remove our rights to own firearms. We can't pick and choose which one to obey.

Get in a fight with your wife, she calls the cops, you go to jail, you loose you gun rights! Thank Clinton for that one! Get caught steeling, get convicted, same answer, no more guns for you. The only recourse is have the governor pardon you for your felony conviction. Fat chance of that here in Wisconsin. Doyle is a rabid anti-gun governor.
 
top 5 "don't do..."

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1) don't make up your own recipes
2) don't double-charge
3) don't cut corners
4) don't move forward with anything if you are not sure
5) don't ignore advise given by rcmodel. If he says jump, ask how high.

*I ASSUME that rcmodel is a "he". If I'm wrong, I appologize.


FOR sure good advice
 
I started with Trail Boss in 45 LC that I shot with a Ruger Blackhawk. That gave me some confidence.

I knew a double charge of TB wouldn't cause issues, but no charge could cause issues - not with that round, but with the next one down the barrel. :)

Here's the method that I developed for preventing no charge/empty charge:

  1. Primed sized brass goes in the reloading tray mouth down (I load in 50 round batches on a manual (turret press).
  2. I have a strong light over my left shoulder.
  3. When I pick up the primed case to put it in the press for expansion/powder drop, I tilt the case towards the light - I had better see the primer glinting in the flash hole. If not, I haven't primed, or I have already loaded powder in that case. I think of that as Check #1.
  4. I drop a powder load in the case.
  5. When I am transferring the case back to the reloading tray, I tilt it towards the light again. This time I had better not see the primer primer glinting in the flash hole. That's Check #2.
  6. The charged case goes back in mouth up.
  7. When I have dropped a load of powder in all 50 cases, I step away from the loading bench and walk to a part of the workshop that has a bright fluorescent light. I look over the whole tray. That's Check #3
  8. Now I am ready to seat bullets.

This makes it sound more complicated than it is. I have two additional rules:

  1. When in doubt, the bullet puller comes out! :) In the very 1st batch I did (before I did all of the checking), I finished a round and saw a load of powder sitting in the scale that shouldn't have been there. I bought a bullet puller. When I pulled the bullet, there was no charge in the case. I think that I had dropped a load into the case, then tipped the load into the scale to make sure it was the right weight. Then I seated the buller (leaving the powder in the little tray on the scale).
  2. If something sounds or feels odd at the range, stop shooting! This seems sort of obvious to me, but a lot of kaboom stories seem to start with "Something didn't feel/sound right with the previous round, but I didn't think that was important." Uh, no. These rounds all have the same bullet weight, same charge, and came caliber. The recoil should be the same for all of them, and they should sound more or less alike.

I very much enjoy reloading.

Mike
 
I'm guessing that in order to seriously damage or grenade a pistol, you would have to overcharge a fast powder like Bullseye, by at least .5 grain over max. With a slower powder, like Unique, I bet it would take closer to a full grain over max, before it becomes a hand grenade.
 
I'm guessing that in order to seriously damage or grenade a pistol, you would have to overcharge a fast powder like Bullseye, by at least .5 grain over max. With a slower powder, like Unique, I bet it would take closer to a full grain over max, before it becomes a hand grenade.

You'd guess wrong. I've considered carefully before coming out-of-the-woodwork so to speak. To admit to a major mistake that cost me my first handgun. It was a Ruger blackhawk in .357 mag. Some would say it's impossible to destroy a Ruger blackhawk, but I did!

Here's the story, with a lesson or three; This was my first attempt to reload anything other than shotgun shells, or high power rifle. My reloading experience was maybe 2 years at that time. I had just bought the Ruger used, it was actually a convertible, 9mm/.357 mag. The gun was barely used by the previous owner. This was around 1973. The price for a box of .357 shells was shocking even then.

I went to the gunshop, bought a box of 158 Hornady swaged lead bullets, dies, primers, then ran out of money. I got home to find that the only powder I could find, (that I had), in the loading manual was HS-6. So I set the Hornady scale to 6.0 grains, max was 8.0 starting was 4.0. I WAS IN A HURRY! I loaded 6 shells. I went down the RR. tracks to a mound of dirt, fired a couple rem. 158 JHP factory rounds. Then I filled the cylinder with my newly created shells. BOOM! I couldn't rotate the cylinder, or cock the hammer. Back home, I took the base pin out, then had to drive the fired shell out of the cylinder with a brass punch.

I had to leave for work,(3-11), so the next day I dropped the scale back to 4.0,(or so I thought), loaded 6 more. This was early November, so it was time to go sight in deer rifles. I took the pistol along to do some shooting with it at the range. Dad was along, he wanted to shoot it too. Loaded six, the first one, the cylinder let go, shearing across 2 chambers. The chunk went to my right, where dad HAD BEEN STANDING only seconds before I shot!

The rear sight was gone, the topstrap was bent. The remaining shells did NOT detonate.

I left everything sit right like I left it for several days, while trying to figure out what I did wrong. Finally the third day I took a close look at the Hornady scale. It's the one with the little wires that sit in a sawtooth pattern on the top of the balance beam. The ten grain wire was on TEN!, not zero! So I was actually dropping 16.0, then 14.0 grains of fast, dense shotgun powder.

Lessons? DON'T BE IN A HURRY! I was anxious to start loading handgun shells. Being young is a hazard in a case like this. Use a powder that fills the case enough so that a double or TRIPLE,(16.0 is 4 times the starting load), charge will overflow the case.

Oh, and the gunshop where I bought the gun sent it in to Ruger. They sold me a factory direct, exact duplicate of the damaged gun, minus the 9mm cly., at their cost!

I asked for that blown cylinder back from Ruger, which they gladly did when sending the new revolver. I kept it, showing others what not to do along with the story behind the kaboom. It seems to have gotten lost, I haven't seen it for 10 years or so. If I ever find it, I'll take some pics, post them here.

Let the chiding begin-------. Anybody else honest enough to admit to a kaboom?
 
Snuffy, thanks for posting that experience. Someone may benefit greatly from it.

I have loaded up 45acp with Bullseye, and it's a great powder for it. However, I realized it wasn't as much fun as using something like Unique or Herco, which provides as good or better accuracy, and I don't have to worry about a double charge slipping by unnoticed. Those few grains of Bullseye about disappear in a big caliber cartridge. I have plenty of other uses for the Bullseye that are safer to load.
 
This is why I always VISUALLY check the powder level in every case, 16 grains of HS-6 would be very noticeable, I would stop right there and say "that doesn't look right", double check scale.:p:D
 
This is why I always VISUALLY check the powder level in every case, 16 grains of HS-6 would be very noticeable, I would stop right there and say "that doesn't look right", double check scale.

Uh huh, I know that NOW! But I must remind you, that was my first experience loading ANY handgun cartridge. How would I know what a load of HS-6 should look like?

It was certainly a worst case scenario, no pun intended. I had already loaded for my dad's 30-06. That shell, with a normal load of powder, pretty much fills the case. I thought the load of HS-6 looked pretty normal.

I only had two manuals at that time, a Pacific, and a sierra, back then there wasn't an internet, or much for info like today.
 
snuffy said:
But I must remind you, that was my first experience loading ANY handgun cartridge. How would I know what a load of HS-6 should look like?
Beat me to making that point. The first time always requires more care and patience - in any endeavor.

I have, on a few occasions, checked how much powder a case will hold.

When setting up for a loading session, usually throw double and triple loads (if the case will hold that much - like 45 colt) as part of the process of getting the powder flow established, and it's helpful to see what that looks like anyway.
 
With a slower powder, like Unique, I bet it would take closer to a full grain over max, before it becomes a hand grenade.

Exactly why I always recommend Unique for 9mm, especially for beginners. Even at a level case full w/o trying to settle more in (even that would probably not matter) you will not "blow up" any 9mm pistol in sound condition using 88-124 grain bullets seated to their nominal, correct OAL... Not even close, and I doubt it would exceed +P, even with 124's.
 
I know my 40 S&W cases are chock full of Unique at 9 grains, the normal load for 135 gr bullets is 8.5, 9 grains would be stiff, but probably wouldn't hurt anything. As a general rule of thumb, faster powders fill the case much less than slower powder, takes 9 grains of Blue Dot to get the same powder level as 7.5 grains of Unique.

Speaking of Blue Dot, the max load for 165's is 9.8 grains, that is a case FULL of Blue Dot, which makes me nervous, just looking at it. I haven't used this load, probably never will, but that is what my Lee 2nd Edition books says.
 
If a full case of BD is the spec, i'd go for it just like some rifle propellants get real crunchy when seating a bullet because the charges fill 95% + of the case.

About the only problem with Unique for me when using it at near normal case filling charges in 9mm is it slinging out during progressive operation. When I was feeding an UZI, I used bulk 115 FMJ's and HS-6 for very smooth, consistent progressive operation. When I checked a sized WW 9mm case, it was level filled with 6.8-7 grains of Unique, and this is very close to what some "normal" worked up book max charges I use in my pistols. Unique does not seem "spikey", and is a lot more forgiving than propellants like Titegroup... I cringe every time I see a beginner say they are starting with TG, and 147 grain bullets in 9mm.

Red Dot is a nice bulky fast burner, and along those lines is Trail Boss, where any cartridge data originally developed by ADI/IMR, specs that even at full case charges the load will not exceed proof pressures with the bullet specified. Can't think of a much better propellant than TB and Unique to cover most bases that a beginner reloader would encounter for a lot of calibers.
 
About the only problem with Unique for me when using it at near normal case filling charges in 9mm is it slinging out during progressive operation
Ditto. That can be a problem with a couple of powders.
 
"I'll never reload cuz I've seen to many guns blow up"
A family friend said this the other day. How much damage can you do to a gun by reloading and how hard is it to screw up?

By this logic, no one should ride in an automobile or take a bath. Come to think of it, sex is pretty scary, too.

On the other hand, "A man's got to know his limitations." Perhaps this friend of whom you speak really shouldn't reload ammunition. Please confirm he's not a surgeon, either.

It should not stop you, if you so desire. Read the manuals, follow directions and pay attention. In that regard, it is much like life in general.
 
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