Firing Ranges and Reloads

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Reno380

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I have never seen a sign or been told while at a range about no reloads allowed. My question is why would we not be allowed to use our reloads? Maybe because of a few that don't study\read\research and ask questions first just jump in and try reloading then blow their pistol or rifle up at the range? How would they tell if it is a reload? Most I have seen you can't really tell reload from factory, unless you use like cast bullets or something obvious like that. or your brass is mixmatch, but my factory brass is always mixed when I go. I was just wondering about this, a friend of my son told him to tell me be careful going to some ranges as they check ammo for reloads because it is not allowed.

Thx, Reno
 
It is usually a liability thing and they do not want to be sued if you hurt yourself or another if the firearm blows up. That said, there have been times when factory rounds have caused a firearm to blow up as well. It is sad that a few reloaders do unsafe things with regards to making their ammo such as overloading the round on purpose to see the fireball or such and end up getting hurt at the range. Sometimes it is just a mistake and someone gets hurt too. We all pay for these bad actors by having restrictions on what we can do on someone else's property.
 
It's their range, and they can make the rules as they please. Like FROGO207 says, some of the "stuff" I've seen passed off as "ammunition" by some people make my hair stand on end. I wouldn't want them shooting it on my range, and I wouldn't want to be next to them when they touch it off. The brass bins at our club always end up with some of that "stuff", and you wonder what they were thinking when they tried to shoot it...........

Our range/club doesn't prevent reloads, but to tell you the truth, sometimes I wonder...

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
Several reasons.

1) They sell ammo and they make money on ammo you buy there, but not ammo you bring there. They've done some math (correctly or incorrectly) and made a judgment that the money they lose from folks who won't rent range time because of that policy is less than the money they'll make from folks who do decide to shoot there but have to leave their reloads outside and buy the shop's ammo.

2) Some idea of liability, again whether realistic or not, that injuries and dangerous situations will be higher if reloads are allowed than if only factory ammo is shot there. Even if they DON'T get sued by the reloader who's bad ammo hurt him, they could get sued by the guy in the next lane who caught a piece of the guy's detonating guy in his forehead. And any accident or injury looks bad, period, regardless of who's fault it really was.

3) Reloaders tend to be possessive of brass. Folks who just bought a few boxes of factory stuff are often less so. Many (probably most) ranges sell spent brass either to resellers, scrappers, or directly to shop patrons. Some ranges do have a stated policy that when the brass hits the floor, it's theirs. That does cut down on overly frugal types trying to sneak forward of the firing line to grab the pieces that drifted downrange...
 
The new indoor range here has let me pick up my brass... so far.
I saw a bucket full of mixed brass with a price tag on it the other day, so I don't know if the policy will change to improve revenue.
If so, I have .22s and revolvers.
 
At my indoor range reloads are allowed and brass pick up is allowed this is a private range members only not open to the public, the only concern with reloads they have is most of us load paper punchers , but when someone loads elephant loads that is what the range is against as it tears up the back stop, risk of ceiling and wall breach and so on. Luckily being a private range everyone follows the guidelines and have a vested interest in the range
 
Does this range sell ammo?
Yes, ammo, rifles, shotguns, pistols, scopes, etc... full inventory except reloading equipment. (Shooters world Tampa,Fl)

I never seen any signs or been checked, but who knows? Maybe there was an incident with a reload since the last time I was there. I like to go to Dade City Rod and Gun Club, it's an outside range for pistol and rifle and the 2nd part of the rang is up the hill (literally) and is for shotguns. I am going to join, with setup fees and such for family of 4 is $200 then $100 a year after. Non members is $20\hr but if only 1 or 2 other persons there they will let you fire for another 1/2 hour as long as you buy their targets (1.00 for 4). They sell reload equipment to members, allow reloads, allow you to pick up all the brass you want, but if it is in the can, no touching, they will bag that up and sell to members. Members the reload will help others starting to reload, but members only. I really like this club, when you have a vested interest in something, you do tend to take better care of it, i.e. following rules.

Reno
 
Range rules are set by the range and I have seen rules change range to range. For example here are the rules for a local to me indoor range:
Regulations:

Range Regulations:

1. We reserve the right to deny use of the range to anyone appearing to be impaired by Drugs, Alcohol or otherwise.

2. Anyone under the age of 21 must be accompanied by someone 21 or older.

3. No One is permitted down range at any time for any reason.

4.No smoking, food, drink or chewing gum on range.

5. No more than 2 shooters are permitted in a stall at one time.

6. You must shoot only at your own target, No cross stall shooting
permitted.

7. No shooting at carriers, side walls or items on range floor.

8. Small targets must be on cardboard target head level or below.

9. Shooter may only fire one gun at a time.

10. Do not throw live or defective ammo down range. Please turn it in at the counter for disposal.

11.PLEASE PLACE ALL TRASH IN TRASH CANS PROVIDED.

Safety Regulations:
1. Hearing & eye protection must be worn at all times while on the range.

2. Keep muzzle pointed down range at all times.

3. When taking out or putting away firearms, keep muzzle pointed in safe direction.

4. Keep you finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.

5. Handle all firearms like they are loaded at all times. (Every gun is “Always” loaded.)

6. Use only the correct ammunition for your gun.

7. Be courteous and mindful of your fellow shooters’ safety.

Pistol, Rifle and Shotgun Regulations:
1.We reserve the right to inspect all cases & ammo.

2.All rifle ammo will be inspected. (Soft point or lead round nose only. No steel core, armor piercing or full metal jackets.)

3. All rifle targets must be shot at 25 yards. (Full length of range.)

4.All rifles and full stock shotguns must be shot from shoulder or bench rested.

5. High power rifles may be shot with soft point or hollow point ammo and 1 round in magazine at a time. Target must be back the full 75 feet.

6. No full auto high power rifle.

7. No steel shot or solid copper slugs.

8. No rapid fire with pistol grip shotguns.

9. Pistol grip shotguns – buck shot or personal defense rounds only!

10. No picking up brass except for your own.

Hand loaded ammunition is permissible but I have seen them use magnets to check for steel jackets or cores on bullets. Steel jackets and cores cause a few problems in addition to tearing up the backstops, sparks have been known to ignite un burned powder downrange.

Something else I have observed at ranges allowing public shooting is when I walk up into the stalls I see bullet holes in the side dividers, the overhead and even in the stall tables. Makes you wonder how they got there and where those bullets finally stopped? :)

Anyway, it is not unusual for some indoor ranges to try and ban the use of hand loads. It's their sandbox so their rules. You can either play or leave.

Ron
 
Many times it’s a insurance thing. The insurance company doesn’t know anything about firearms and perceive “home made” ammo as more dangerous than factory.
 
IMO, it's mostly liability. Most ranges I've been to have the "no reloaded ammo"
rule, and you must sign the rules and warnings stating this. But I've never had my
ammo inspected, which leads me to believe they want to disavow knowledge of
your use of reloads, in the event of a problem.
 
The indoor range I shoot at regularly has a no reloads policy - but I'm under the impression it's because the brass on the floor is sold as "once fired" to a brass processing business. We can bring our own ammo, steel/aluminum cases, just no reloads.

The public outdoor range - anything except tracer and 50BMG.
 
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I guess Im lucky all the Ranges near me that are public or private allow reloads and picking up your brass, I understand the no reload thing but not allowing you to take your own brass is a bit much, isn't the brass your property since you paid for it ? I guess as said above their playpen their rules , I would find another playpen if possible, unless you live in a big city then I guess you have to use what you have, I have 3 ranges within 20min drive and 5 ranges within 1 hour drive and tons of blm / forest land shooting allowed under 1 hour drive, I know some folks on this forum shoot in their backyard guess were the lucky ones
 
One of the local indoor ranges allows you to pick up your brass provided it doesn't roll forward of the firing line, but they built the floors in the stalls with a slight incline so that most of the brass rolls forward of the line.

You can buy it back the following week after they tumble it.
 
Jo Jo wrote:
isn't the brass your property since you paid for it?

No.

The owner of the range allows you to use his facility in exchange for payment of a fee and adherence to certain contractual terms (otherwise known as the range's rules) which may include the fact that as soon as your brass hits the floor, the range owns it. It's simply contract law in action.
 
true their range their rules , you agree to shoot at said range you agree to said rules
 
Several reasons.

1) They sell ammo and they make money on ammo you buy there, but not ammo you bring there. They've done some math (correctly or incorrectly) and made a judgment that the money they lose from folks who won't rent range time because of that policy is less than the money they'll make from folks who do decide to shoot there but have to leave their reloads outside and buy the shop's ammo.

2) Some idea of liability, again whether realistic or not, that injuries and dangerous situations will be higher if reloads are allowed than if only factory ammo is shot there. Even if they DON'T get sued by the reloader who's bad ammo hurt him, they could get sued by the guy in the next lane who caught a piece of the guy's detonating guy in his forehead. And any accident or injury looks bad, period, regardless of who's fault it really was.

3) Reloaders tend to be possessive of brass. Folks who just bought a few boxes of factory stuff are often less so. Many (probably most) ranges sell spent brass either to resellers, scrappers, or directly to shop patrons. Some ranges do have a stated policy that when the brass hits the floor, it's theirs. That does cut down on overly frugal types trying to sneak forward of the firing line to grab the pieces that drifted downrange...

Definitely agree with #1 and 2. That is probably the most obvious reason.

Most indoor ranges in my area prohibit reloads. Outdoor ranges do not. It all depends on the management of each range. Their property, their rules. Some places don't even allow steel-cased or steel-core ammo so I cannot use the cheap Tula from Walmart.

I've bought remanufactured ammo from a gun show before and it was out of spec and would not shoot out of my rifle. This was from a random company who offered reloaded/reman ammo for less than factory ammo. I bought 50rds and it basically went to waste since I couldn't shoot it.
 
All the ranges I belong to allow reloads ,3 total. Any pistol caliber can be used on the indoor range and in a carbine if you like . Rapid fire ok. Several ranges in my area don't allow those things and require you to buy their ammo , Don't go to them. Guess I'm lucky:)
 
In my experience it's all about money. They generally will be selling some no-name reloaded range ammo at high prices and put the focus on that any way they can. Most times they can't get away with prohibiting bringing your own factory ammo but may refuse reloads just because they can pass it off as a safety and/or liability concern. In reality the reloaded stuff they sell will be as bad or worse than anything reloaders bring in.

They will also be renting guns, generally for a mere $10. But of course you'll have to pay $20+ a box for their crap reloaded ammo..
 
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They will also be renting guns, generally for a mere $10. But of course you'll be have to pay $20+ a box for their crap reloaded ammo..

There is another indoor range in Tampa called Shooters World, they rent full auto and silenced weapons and any weapon on their shelves. On a side note, I noticed in my 2nd post I said Shooters world but they were at Shoot Straight on the other side of Tampa. Sorry about that error.

Reno
 
In my experience it's all about money. They generally will be selling some no-name reloaded range ammo at high prices and put the focus on that any way they can. Most times they can't get away with prohibiting bringing your own factory ammo but may refuse reloads just because they can pass it off as a safety and/or liability concern. In reality the reloaded stuff they sell will be as bad or worse than anything reloaders bring in.

They will also be renting guns, generally for a mere $10. But of course you'll be have to pay $20+ a box for their crap reloaded ammo..

Well, in all fairness, indoor ranges aren't opened by philanthropists. Their goal is to make money, and if they don't, they're forced to shut their doors. There's a tremendous amount of overhead on an indoor range, and that's why so many of them end up closing.

I'm fortunate in having our range less than 5 miles from my house. I'm there all the time, but mostly to work at building things, like shooting bays, buildings, driveways, etc. My goal is to leave it better than I found it.... Our club is a 503c7 non-profit. If it was a "for profit" operation, we would have gone bankrupt years ago. If it wasn't for volunteers, we'd just be shooting into a sand dune in the rain........

If those indoor ranges don't figure out how to make a profit, they quickly go away........

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
If those indoor ranges don't figure out how to make a profit, they quickly go away........
Most of them go away for one simple reason - they expect to make their money by pure markup rather than creating value for their customers. If you have to charge $20 a box for ammo to float the boat, at least make it the Blazer Brass I can buy for $10 a box and be happy with a $10 profit rather than scooping up range brass, sending it to some shady local reloader, marking the stuff up to $20, and expecting me to not know the difference. And then telling me I can't use my reloaded ammo because it's not safe.

I understand that it takes real money to operate a quality range, but at some point you have to have confidence in your product and charge what its worth rather than expecting to compensate for a basically unprofitable business plan by placing joke bombs of pure markup along your customer's path. Running a successful business is tough, and not everyone is smart enough, experienced enough and works hard enough to pull it off. Unfortunately starting a small business is kind of a fool's mission these days, and tends to attract just that as principals.
 
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Don't paint all indoor ranges with a broad brush just because you don't like the one you go to. There are some great indoor ranges, as well as not so great. There are also some great shooters, as there are some that aren't so great, and I'm not talking about target accuracy. I'm talking about common courtesy, good safety practices, etc.

The same goes for reloaded ammunition. There is great reloaded ammunition, and there is some that shouldn't be fired. The question is, which kind is coming through the door of the private range? If I was the operator/owner of an indoor range, I would be very selective on who I let bring their reloaded ammunition into my range, and to tell you the truth, their attitude would have a direct impact on my decision, one way or the other.

Luckily, I'm not in that position, and I don't shoot on indoor ranges. I have in the past, and I was less than comfortable with the shooters in the lanes on both sides both times I was there. It was with a friend who is a member of an indoor range in another state, but I won't be shooting there on my next visit....... It was less the range, and more the clientele, that made it uncomfortable..

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
I don't recall ever being at a range that forbade picking up brass. The last one I worked at would provide baggies for customers who wanted to paw through the brass barrels, as long as didn't leave a mess. If I had gone to one and noted that restriction on the list of rules, I believe I would have left.
The range I go to all the time now is outdoors, unmonitored, city maintained, and free. I usually come back with a little more brass than I left with, sometimes something interesting like 500 SW Mag or 300 Whisper. :)
 
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