Illegally altered Glock mags?

[444]

Before we go on a witch hunt here let's think about this a minute. #1 From your posts it appears that you don't even know for sure that they are LE only mags. You only suspect it.
#2 We don't know that the dealer was even aware of the situation. After all, I presume you looked at them in the store and didn't notice the problem. Why should we think the dealer did ?
#3 Before we burn the dealer at the stake, why don't we see what he says when Beren takes them back and talks to him. For all we know the guy will apologize and make everything wonderful again.

There is a similar thread going on this board and I made the following post on that thread. Although I haven't heard anything definitive that this guy is trying to do anyting dishonest, I think the logic still applies.

Look, I see where you are coming from. It sounds like the guy was less than honest. But is it really worth possibly ruining the guys life over this mag. I can see not wanting to get yourself in trouble, and I can see you being mad about the whole situation, but what you are talking about doing could have some huge consequenses for this guy. I don't know the guy, and I am not sticking up for what he did to you, but I think you should reconsider.
There have been countless threads posted about shooting someone over personal property. Many people argue that your personal property isn't worth someone's life. This is very similar.
Worst case senario, you throw the mag in a river somewhere and take the loss. It is terrible that you would have to do that. But possibly bringing down the ATF on this guy is way out of line.

In this case you would be ruining this guys livelyhood, and possibly also getting him into some very serious legal hot water. Granted, if he knew these were LE only mags, he was doing the same thing to you, but two wrongs don't make a right. If he stiffs you, you can get rid of the mags and you are out $160. That sucks and it isn't right. But if you follow through with going to the police, the ATF, seek legal action etc. You are probably taking everything this guy has possibly including his freedom. $160 vs. everything he has.

 

[Blackhawk]

Again 444 tosses the cool water of reason onto a volatile situation.

 

[Preacherman]

If the mags had been bought from a private seller, my advice would be the same as in this thread about a similar problem. However, since this is a dealer, I'd give him more of a chance to make good - he may genuinely have been misled about the magazines. If he won't make good - see my other response!

 

[Beren]

Like I said, I'll be visiting the store owner this weekend to return the magazines. I don't expect that there will be a problem receiving a full refund.

If there /is/ a problem, I have no qualms seeking action against the owner. He may not have realized the problem at the time of the initial sale, but he has an obligation to make things right once I present reasonable proof.

 

[KMKeller]

You are probably taking everything this guy has possibly including his freedom. $160 vs. everything he has.

And if he refuses to make the situation right, he is doing the exact same thing to you by putting you in violation of law.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

Bury them in the backyard and when the AW ban goes away next year, dig them up and use them.

 

[Beren]

Bury them in the backyard and when the AW ban goes away next year, dig them up and use them.

Feh. I'm better off buying a one-year CD with the refund money and buying about 10 full-caps after the ban expires.

 

[geekWithA.45]

Sad, sad waste...

Of American time, effort, and thought, OVER A BLEEPING BOX WITH A SPRING.

I mean, here's a group of law abiding folk actually AGONIZING over such a simple thing.

This box with a spring is legal, but this EXACT SAME one isn't because it was made after thus and such date, and has a mystical rune inscribed on it.

Kudos to you, who respect the law, and seek to abide in it.
Curses to you, who make the law, that honest men might suffer.

 

[444]

"And if he refuses to make the situation right, he is doing the exact same thing to you by putting you in violation of law."

So what ?

We all have decisions to make in our lives. He made his and we are appalled by it. Yet we see no problem with doing the same thing to him. Why ? Because as they say on the grade school playground, he did it to me first. And I'm telling.

 

[labgrade]

"Kudos to you, who respect the law, and seek to abide in it.
Curses to you, who make the law, that honest men might suffer."

How aptly put, geekWithA.45

That we would even be put into such a position is beyond my comprehension.

A small steel box, one made at 11:59PM on one day is OK, while that same thing, made one (OK, call it two) minute/s later is grounds for a felony - and all that entails.

Here's to your Project Exile & "let's just enforce the laws on the books."

(massive vomit here)

 

[Beren]

Situation resolved.

Visited the dealer today, who had taken it upon himself to get up to speed on Glock magazines and such. He had an LEO only magazine on hand and we compared them; the two magazines I had purchased were indeed illegally altered. I exchanged one for a legal pre-ban magazine, and returned the other for the mag I had traded in on it + the difference in cash.

I would've preferred a straight cash refund, but things worked out fair enough.

He said he purchased the mags from "an individual." I wished him luck on getting his money back, thanked him for the service, and will shop there again in the future.

 

[Redlg155]

Good you got the situation resolved.

I would definitely be wary of any future dealings with him.

He had an LEO only magazine on hand and we compared them;

That means he knows exactly what a LEO magazine is. You can bet he examined the magazine when it came into his shop initially. Just as a jeweler knows how to check for real gold or fake gold, a gunshop dealer knows how to check for the real Pre Ban mag and an altered LEO mag.

It's his business. If he's that much of a fool he'd go broke in a heartbeat.

Good Shooting
RED

 

[TheeBadOne]

I would avoid this dealer in the future if possible.

 

[labgrade]

What trashes me is the inherent fact that a piece of metal, made 10 seconds before another of the same manufacture, is OK, while the other is a felony.

Somehow "lost." by some, in this thread.

& we, who would hope to define what our country even means would have to "agonize" over such a discussion .....

(don't we have a uke: symbol ... ? )

 

[WilderBill]

Glad it all worked out.
Is it just me, or is this sort of thing becoming more common?
I will be glad when the AW ban expires and all hi caps become one low price and easy to get. Then the LEO marked ones will become a curiosity to be used, laughed about openly traded or whatever you might want to do with them.
Here's to freedom!

 

[KMKeller]

We all have decisions to make in our lives. He made his and we are appalled by it. Yet we see no problem with doing the same thing to him. Why ? Because as they say on the grade school playground, he did it to me first. And I'm telling.

444, It would be wonderful if it was as simplistic as you make it sound, but the fact remains that it is indeed a person's liberty, freedom and their ability to provide for and protect their family that is at stake. It has nothing to do with "he did it to me first". It has much more to do with "one phone call from him and the ATF is kicking in my door, confiscating my weapons and locking me up". You may wish to put your fate in another's hands, but I for one am not. Fortunately, the dealer made right.

 

[Daniel T]

KMKeller has the right of it. Not only did this guy try to cheat you financially, he put you at risk of committing a felony. If you want to commit a felony knowingly, that's your business, but it's your decision. What this guy tried to do isn't just dishonest, it's downright criminal.

BTW, I don't buy that he didn't know what he was selling. If Beren noticed that something wasn't right with the mags, then the dealer damn well should have as well.