Illegals busting education budget

[Lone_Gunman]

To those who would support massive deportation of illegals, what exactly would you propose we do without them?

Since they are a significant part of the low wage work force now, who would replace them?

 

[HankB]

Conclusion: Illegal aliens ARE paying for their schooling just like anyone else that pays property taxes, either through renting or direct ownership of property... either that or all legal residents/citizens who rent aren't paying their fair share either!

Most school districts spend $7,500 to $10,000 per student. Are you seriously asserting that illegals' rent in a cheap apartment contributes this amount of money to school districts each year? And if they have a whole pack of kids, what then? There's NO QUESTION we're supporting these criminals.

To those who would support massive deportation of illegals, what exactly would you propose we do without them?

Mow our own grass? OOPS, I do that now. Hmmm . . . end the dole - do away with LBJ's "Great Society" programs, and today's welfare recipients - at least those who like to eat - will fill the void.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

HankB,

Ending welfare would be great, but certainly you don't think that there is a chance of that actually happening do you?

I believe you are correct though. If we got rid of the illegals, we would have to get the people sitting around doing nothing but drawing the public dole back to work.

Maybe we could bump the age for social security benefits to 72, and keep people working longer?

 

[HankB]

Ending welfare would be great, but certainly you don't think that there is a chance of that actually happening do you?

Lone_Gunman, sad to say, you make a valid point - there's about as much chance of ending welfare as there is of doing something substantive about illegal aliens.

Maybe we could bump the age for social security benefits to 72, and keep people working longer?

Yeah, we need our old folks to help pull their weight and support illegals longer. And with Dubya planning to put up a new Social Security office in Mexico City, and proposing to pay benefits to elderly illegals who worked in this county even with forged social security papers, there won't be enough money around for Americans who worked legally to pay everyone benefits at age 65. We should all make sacrifices on the behalf of illegals. :banghead:

 

[seeker_two]

Since they are a significant part of the low wage work force now, who would replace them?

Change welfare to work-fare & you'll have your workers...:banghead:

 

[Lone_Gunman]

How feasible is putting welfare people to work?

Would it be effective, or cause massive civil disorder?

 

[moa]

Another important issue regarding illegals is health care. The US Congress mandated that emergency health facilities must treat anybody whos shows up a there. But, this is an unfunded mandate.

This means that hospitals and other medical facilities have to eat the cost of treating illegals and others who do not have the means to pay or have insurance.

This is putting many hospitals in the red ink, and closing down some. This is especially true in the Southwest. The cost is estimated in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Additionally, it makes it harder for American citizens and others to get emergency medical treatment when it is needed because the ERs are filled with illegals.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Actually there is a program that funds (at least partially) emergency medical care for illegal aliens.

 

[PeteyPete]

My friend works at a local hospital here in NJ and says that due to his ability to speak spanish he is constantly being asked to serve as a translator at the free clinic. He says the place is consistantly packed to the gills w/ Mexicans (and to a lesser extent Jamaicans) who are there to pick up their free birth control, diapers, medicines, and formula.

Gotta love em...without these oversexed, brainless fools, who would we have to exploit the welfare state :banghead:

 

[seeker_two]

How feasible is putting welfare people to work?

If the choice is between eating & starving, it's pretty feasable...

Actually there is a program that funds (at least partially) emergency medical care for illegal aliens.

Well, someone forgot to tell the Texas hospitals about it. The small, local ones are going out of business & the larger ones are pushing the costs to the paying patients...

The US Congress mandated that emergency health facilities must treat anybody whos shows up a there. But, this is an unfunded mandate.

And it's killing our healthcare system. It needs to change to "emergency" services ONLY. No diapers. No formula. No band-aids. And the illegals are turned over to INS for an escort back across the border.

 

[QuickDraw]

To those who would support massive deportation of illegals, what exactly would you propose we do without them?

I get sick and tired of of illegal apologists using this argument.
Who the heck do you think did the work before the mass invasion?
When the labor market gets flooded with cheap labor,it drives
everybody's wages down.
Example:Contractor A, has a crew of illegals working for cash.Greedy homeowner
gets "good price",hires contractor A.Contractor A pays no taxes,social security,
WORKMANS COMP insurance,etc.Puts larger profit in pocket.Quality of building
suffers.So far so good,right?
Contractor B,bids on same job.Price comes in at twice the amount!!!
Contractor B hires only qualified carpenters,pays a realistic wage for people trying
to raise a family.Also pays all taxes and fees and maybe offers health insurance.
Has a company meeting and says"Geefellas,we didn't get that job.I'm going to
have to lay some people off.Those that stay will have to take a pay cut,loss of
benefits.
Contractor B goes out of bussiness because he refuses to break the law and
hire illegals.
Carpenters move away because they can't afford to live in area unless
they do as illegals do,6-9 people in 2 bedroom apartment.
Who suffers?
1. "Greedy homeowner" gets crappy,substandard work.
2.Contractor B obviously is broke!
3.Qualified carpenters are now out of work.
4.Illegals are still living in squalor,sending all their money "home".
5.Prevailing wage in area drops,everyone in the building trades takes a hit.
6.With any luck,Contractor A receives an invitation from the IRS "to explain a few
things".
How do I know?
I'm Contractor B.

QuickDraw

 

[wingman]

Illegal immigration into the United States threatens the future of the nation, a Colorado congressman told Mesa County Republicans on Friday.

U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Centennial, drew two standing ovations from about 100 Republicans, even though he acknowledged his stand on illegal immigration runs counter to that of the party's leader, President Bush.

Forcing a national debate over illegal immigration transcends party loyalty though, he said. At issue, he said, isn't so much whether the United States will have a Balkanized future, but whether it will have a future as a nation at all.

Illegal immigration combined with "the cult of multiculturalism" and the welfare state threaten to undermine and bankrupt American institutions, he said.

Tancredo joked that he actually was on his way to California to get in on the governor's race. In an exclusive interview with The Daily Sentinel, however, he said the stakes actually are a bit higher than a governor's race.

He has visited California on several occasions with the hope of forcing illegal immigration to a top-level issue in the 2004 presidential race.

One vehicle, he said, might be a referendum in the nation's most populous state that would limit access to any government services to citizens or legal residents only.

"Even if I'm 180 degrees wrong," he said, "the subject at least deserves a debate."

Tancredo said he advocates securing the nation's southern border using a 20,000-strong Border Patrol combined with high-tech equipment to prevent illegal border crossings.

A guest-worker program might be in order for industries that couldn't otherwise find employees, but no such program could work without a secure border, he said.

It's particularly important to secure the border, he said, because it isn't used only by Mexicans seeking employment.

"Huge numbers" of Middle-Easterners frequently cross the border, often helped by Mexican drug gangs who charge $30,000 for the use of their expertise, he said.

"I don't blame them," he said of illegal immigrants looking north for opportunity, but he noted the Mexican government relies heavily on money sent by illegal immigrants to their relatives to bolster the economy.

That amounts to about $10 billion a year, a third of the Mexican gross domestic product, he said.

Tancredo urged the Mesa County Republicans to insist that all candidates be held to account on illegal-immigration issues.

Even if offices such as city council or county commissioner seem to have little to do with illegal immigration, candidates still should be forced to take a position.

"Get them on record," he said.

 

[wingman]

Texas is facing same problems as calif. with such large population growth it
can not continue to fund all services, property tax alone will not do it, there is
no doubt an income tax or sales tax increase is coming. My understanding is we
now spend more on illegal students then kids born in this country. This is not
about race, where they are from, it is numbers and that must be contained or
slowed in some manner.

I still ask this question how many can the American taxpayer provide for, is there a limit. No one wants to see anyone good without food, shelter, jobs
however at what point will it break our country.? How will continued illegal
immigration affect your life and that of your children.?

 

[HankB]

My understanding is we now spend more on illegal students then kids born in this country.

IIRC, I saw a story a while back that in California, illegal aliens going to college there (!) get to pay "in state" tuition levels, which are considerably less than the tuition required of AMERICAN CITIZENS who come from other states.

So, as long as the illegals have been illegally in Kali for a while, they get rewarded. :banghead:

 

[DontShootMe]

Suck it up...

Just give in to the fact that over 50% of your income will be taken to pay for this kind of stuff unless you, yourself begin to produce many children and/or start your own business.

And hope you dont get put away for too many years when you defend yourself against an illegal alien breaking into your house to take what is rightfully his.

That is the American way.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I'm thinking of applying for a Mexican ID, so I can get cheap car insurance and free checking, along with a 'backup' drivers license...

Change my name to DónShooMe

 

[Carlos Cabeza]

Since they are a significant part of the low wage work force now, who would replace them?

I propose that all teenagers get kicked out of the house at age sixteen unless they are actively and aggressively pursuing a higher level of education. No sucking the parental hind tit any more. This alone would increase unskilled labor levels to astronomical proportions.

Don'tShootMe, I have already adopted my hispanic namesake, quietly awaiting its potential benefit.