Illinois and SBR's

[Vodoun da Vinci]

Never thought I'd be interested but I am and have to ask now for advice or a show of hands from guys who live in Illinois and actually have an SBR.

I'm wanting to get into MP5 format guns and would like to go SBR but live in Illinois - some guys (none of who live in Illinois) think it's no big deal. Just apply for the stamp, pay yer money and wait 9 months or so. "But you have to get a C&R!!"

Bunches of guys who don't have C&R's tell me how simple and easy that is as well. What about taking my SBR to Iowa where my practice range is? Pffftttt...no problem says the guys who don't do it.

So can I get a show of hands from guys in Illinois who actually have their C&R and have recieved their stamps and actually possess an SBR in Illinois and some advice/encouragement or should I stick to my "I don't need the problems" line and just go 16" barrel?

Thanks in advance for any help or encouragement (or discouragement!!) you can offer. I seek response from those who have or are doing it in Illinois. Please leave the theories from more lenient states (that would be all of them except Illinois) out of the mix...I'm confused and frustrated enough about it.

VooDoo

 

[Midwest]

There is not much out there... this is a little dated, but hopefully of help.

SBR's in Illinois?

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=33371

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[Vodoun da Vinci]

Thanks Midwest!

After about the 6th page of twisting and turning I had to stop reading...I'll go back and read it again (and again) to see if I can clarify the process and required paperwork in my brain. It just looks like too much hoop jumping for me yet with it all.

I'll read it again when the smoke from my head clears. Super thanks for the link!!

VooDoo

edit: I registered at Illinoiscarry.com and searched for more information on SBR's - the search term "SBR" is not allowed in a search function. Fascinating.

 

[Aaron Baker]

the search term "SBR" is not allowed in a search function. Fascinating.

Don't read too much into that. It's probably just that their forum defaults to not allowing short search terms because they generally return too many hits and chew up server bandwidth.

I don't know what the extra steps are for Illinois, but the federal steps are the same for any state that allows SBRs. The federal steps are well-documented. So I recommend separating it in your mind into what's special for Illinois and what everyone else also has to do. That should make it easier to wrap your mind around.

I'd give more specific advice, but I'm lucky enough to live in Kentucky.

Aaron

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

Thank You. Yeah, the Federal stuff doesn't really bother me all that much - fill out the form, pay the fee, wait for the stamp, engrave the gun to reflect that it is approved/legal and has a stamp. Done!

SBR's are only allowed to be possessed by holders of a C&R FFL in Illinois and everything I seem to read about informing LEO/getting an LEO sign off and transporting/shooting the SBR both in Illinois and over into Iowa (and beyond) confuses me. No matter how much I seem to read from credible sources I find contradictory statements and information from equally credible sources.

I'll have to just dive in and take my chances and learn as I go I guess.

VooDoo

 

[GarySTL]

If you live in IL and want to take your SBR to Iowa there's a federal firm to fill out and submit for approval. Unless it's changed recently the only NFA item that crosses state lines without the firm is a suppressor.

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

If you live in IL and want to take your SBR to Iowa there's a federal firm to fill out and submit for approval. Unless it's changed recently the only NFA item that crosses state lines without the firm is a suppressor.

Not into Illinois it doesn't. No suppressors here at present and I don't see that changing for a long time. :banghead:

Reading the form for permission now. I'm ashamed to say I'm seriously doubting my commitment to obtain/keep and SBR. It's just too much to remember and worry about...it seems like you have to tell the BATF when you are going to transport it and where it's gonna go *every* time you wanna move it. I just can not deal with the Red Tape and have not the mental space for this kind of thing I guess.

VooDoo

 

[pjeski]

AOWs don't need a form 20 either.

 

[Telekinesis]

Reading the form for permission now. I'm ashamed to say I'm seriously doubting my commitment to obtain/keep and SBR. It's just too much to remember and worry about...it seems like you have to tell the BATF when you are going to transport it and where it's gonna go *every* time you wanna move it. I just can not deal with the Red Tape and have not the mental space for this kind of thing I guess.

I know it may seem daunting when starting out, but once the initial paperwork is done its really not too much more work than regular guns.

Unless IL has some state law about it, you don't have to notify while moving the weapon within your home state, and the form for transportation (can't think of its number right now) can be filled out for a transportation period of up to one year. So you can write it for a period of "Jan 1 2014-Dec 31, 2014" and you'll be fine on that one form all year. Just remember to keep it with you when you travel and you'll be good to go. I personally keep a binder with copies of all my forms and other related docs in my shooting bag, that way I always have it with me.

The C&R license is easy to get too. There's no CLEO sign off, just a "notification" requirement. I actually sent a copy of my application in to my county sheriff with a cover note that said "this does not require any action on your part".

 

[Midwest]

Reading the form for permission now. I'm ashamed to say I'm seriously doubting my commitment to obtain/keep and SBR.

You might be saying a year from now "I wish I applied to get that that SBR". 30 days to 45 days average for the C&R license. And 10 months is about the time for the NFA process to go through.


Tom Petty made a song about the NFA process , it was called "The Waiting is the hardest part".



(No Tom Petty didn't write the song about the NFA process...but it sounds like a good story....)

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[GarySTL]

Not into Illinois it doesn't. No suppressors here at present and I don't see that changing for a long time. :banghead:

Reading the form for permission now. I'm ashamed to say I'm seriously doubting my commitment to obtain/keep and SBR. It's just too much to remember and worry about...it seems like you have to tell the BATF when you are going to transport it and where it's gonna go *every* time you wanna move it. I just can not deal with the Red Tape and have not the mental space for this kind of thing I guess.

VooDoo

Well, yes you can't take an NFA item into a state that doesn't permit them, but my point was to reference the idea that SBRs, SBSs, Full Autos, require movement paperwork. I have an SBR and no intent to move it out of state, not IL. My suppressors can move with no papers. Was not aware that AOW didn't need papers though, so thanks for that information.

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

For Reference

From the NFA Handbook:
Definitions: Person. A partnership, company, association, trust, estate, or corporation, as well as a natural person.

Section 9.3 Interstate transfers of NFA firearms. ATF will not approve the transfer of an NFA
firearm to a non-FFL/SOT residing in a State other than the State in which the transferor’s licensed
business is located or the transferor resides. Such interstate transfers would violate the GCA.

Section 13.8. Requesting permission to transport certain firearms in interstate or foreign
commerce. A person, other than an FFL/SOT, may not lawfully transport in interstate or foreign
commerce any destructive device, machinegun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, without
prior written approval of ATF, specifically the NFA Branch.214 For definitions of these firearms and
devices, refer to 27 CFR 478.11. Licensed collectors are not required to obtain such approval if the
firearms and devices being transported are “curio or relic” firearms under the GCA. Approval for the
transportation may be obtained by (1) a written request or (2) an approved application filed with ATF on
Form 5320.20.

13.8.1 A written (letter) request. A written (letter) request must contain:
(1) A complete description and identification of the device or firearm to be transported;
(2) A statement whether the transportation involves a transfer of title;
(3) The need for such transportation;
(4) The approximate date the transportation is to take place;
(5) The present location of the device or firearm and the place to which it is being transported.
(6) The mode of transportation to be used (including, if by common or contract carrier, the name
and address of the carrier); and
(7) Evidence that the transportation or possession of the device or firearm is not inconsistent
with the laws at the place of destination.

13.8.2 Form 5320.20. As stated above, transportation of these firearms and devices may also be
approved by completing and filing this form and obtaining ATF approval of the form.

13.8.3 One-year approval. If a person will be transporting his/her firearm(s) to the same location on a
continual basis, ATF will approve a transportation request for up to 1 year. Example: the person lives in
State A, has a farm in State B (State B allows possession of the particular firearm), and wants to take the
firearm to the farm throughout the year. The person may request permission for a 1-year period to
transport the firearm interstate to the farm. Any other interstate transportation would still require a
separate request and approval. Second example: the person lives in State A and wants to transport
his/her firearm to a site in State B where competitions and shoots occur several times a year (State B
allows possession of the particular firearm). The person may request permission for a 1-year period to
transport the firearm interstate to the site for competitions and shoots. Any other interstate
transportation would still require a separate request and approval.

SUBCHAPTER C - PROHIBITED ACTS
§ 5861 Prohibited acts.
It shall be unlawful for any person:
(j) to transport, deliver, or receive any firearm in interstate commerce which has not been registered as
required by this chapter