Illinois Assault Weapons Ban in the works...

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rubble said:

Please look up your State Senators and Representatives
and then goto http://capwiz.com/nssf/issues/
to make your voice heard, otherwise, what are we doing here..
just whining?

Bills in both Illinois chambers are identical:



Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Provides that 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act, it is unlawful for any person within this State to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell, purchase, or possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed a semi-automatic "assault weapon", an "assault weapon" attachment, any .50 caliber rifle, or .50 caliber cartridge. Provides that beginning 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act, it is unlawful for any person within this State to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell, purchase, or possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed a large capacity ammunition feeding device. Provides that these provisions do not apply to a person who possessed a prohibited weapon, device, or attachment before the effective date of this amendatory Act if the person has provided proof of ownership to the Department of State Police within 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act. Provides that on or after the effective date of this amendatory Act, such person may transfer such device only to an heir, an individual residing in another state maintaining that device in another state, or a dealer licensed as a federal firearms dealer. Specifies penalties for violations. Provides exemptions. Provides that the provisions of the Act are severable. Effective immediately.


The following politicians favor these bills


Those who favor SB1007

Illinois State Senators

Senator A. J. Wilhelmi (D) 43rd District
Senator Emil Jones Jr. (D) 14th District
Senator Dan Kotowski (D) 33rd District
Senator John J. Millner (R) 28th District
Senator Jacqueline Y. Collins (D) 16th District
Senator Carol Ronen (D) 7th District
Senator Martin A. Sandoval (D) 12th District
Senator Mattie Hunter (D) 3rd District
Senator Kwame Raoul (D) 13th District
Senator Donne E. Trotter (D) 17th District
Senator James T. Meeks (D) 15th District
Senator Jeffrey M. Schoenberg (D) 9th District
Senator Antonio Munoz (D) 1st District


Those that favor HB873

Illinois State Representatives

Representative Harry Osterman (D) 14th District
Representative Ed Sullivan Jr. (R) 51st District
Representative Carolyn H. Krause (R) 66th District
Representative Karen A. Yarbrough (D) 7th District
Representative Fred Crespo (D) 44th District
Representative Elizabeth Hernandez (D) 24th District
Representative Mike Bost (R) 115th District
Representative Edward J. Acevedo (D) 2nd District
Representative Cynthia Soto (D) 4th District
Representative Monique D. Davis (D) 27th District
Representative Elizabeth Coulson (R) 17th District
Representative Kenneth Dunkin (D) 5th District
Representative William Davis (D) 30th District
Representative Barbara Flynn Currie (D) 25th District
Representative Luis Arroyo (D) 3rd District
Representative Greg Harris (D) 13th District
 
We should get right on this and nip it in the butt. Perhaps if we can make no exemptions for law enforcment we can get this bill suppressed through their lobbying against the bill.
 
I think using the tactic of "No Exemptions" for law enforcement is a great way to go against any anti-rights law the allows the state to possess a firearm not availble to civilians.
This may work, especially in Heller vs. DC goes in our direction.
I think this would work against the CA microstamping law too.

If you know a friendly representative...get him or her to propose a bill that would require the state to fund any lawsuits against that state for rights infringments. Maybe that would give the state and federal legislatures pause...
I'm getting really tired of government exempting themselves from laws that apply to the rest of us. There may even be precedent to prevent this stemming from the civil rights era.
 
They are trying to turn IL into CA!, except CA with a FID! So it would actualy be worse.

The .50 caliber wording is just awful from both a pro gun and anti gun perspecitve. It outlaws far too many things and is the weakest link in the bill.

It also says possessed after that date. That makes it sound retroactive in banning all existing "assault weapons". It also does not define "assault weapons" so unless it points to another location on the books for its definition then it is an undefined term. That means it bans all semi autos period, unless there is a definition of "assault weapon" provided in IL law already, or in addition to this bill, because the only defined term used in this example of the bill for them is "semi auto". Large capacity feeding device is also not defined in this bill. So it must be defined someplace else in IL law already? So there is definately something missing. You sure you posted all of it?

So it is a poorly thought out bill.
 
Guys, they do this every year. We just have to fight it. Every time we buckle down and fight, it goes nowhere.

It's not going to pass unless we stop fighting it. Nobody needs to panic.
 
Yep. The ISRA keeps us informed of all of these bills that Blago has been trying to ram down his subjects' throats. So far, sanity has prevailed.

If you're not a member of the Illinois State Rifle Association, you should be.
 
It appears there is no grandfather clause in the proposed legislation. Current owners would, at the stroke of a pen, be criminals. Is that correct?

The way I read it, current owners would have 90 days to register their weapons.

Provides that these provisions do not apply to a person who possessed a prohibited weapon, device, or attachment before the effective date of this amendatory Act if the person has provided proof of ownership to the Department of State Police within 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act.
 
No reason for current alarm.....this bill was being pushed heavily during the spring session and the anti-gunners failed to come up with the needed votes. That failure was in no small part thanks to the thousands of IL gun owners who called and wrote their legislators (and all the legislators) in opposition.

The outpouring of opposition nipped the bill in the bud for the spring session. No doubt it will come up again.

See this thread for much more information regarding opposition.
http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=4630&hl=SB0016

The good folks at IllinoisCarry dot com have been instrumental in mounting the tremendous grassroots opposition to anti-gun bills in Illinois.
 
You know, boilerplate bills like this are introduced in almost every state legislature, every session. The Brady organization and it's elected minions push these bills everywhere, every session. We need to keep an eye out, but it's nothing to panic about. The Fall veto session has ended, the budget isn't settled, I think we're probably safe from facing this again till January.

Jeff
 
What Jeff said ...

These are the same two bills that Blago tried to call a "Special Session" on in the middle of his Pi**ing contest over the budget with Madigan in Springfield and even the bill's sponsors said no to a vote. They didn't have close to the votes they needed.

These are also the bills that were up when Kotowski sent the Illinois State Police to "investigate" some people that were lobbying against his pet gun control bills.

He claimed they were sending threatening faxes and e-mails to his office and he was frightened of what the gun owners might do. Of course he was never able to actually show the police or reporters any of those threats, but he'd never lie, so I'm sure they were real, just trust him.

Nothing like a little intimidation by the State Gestapo showing up at your door to interview you and your wife for an hour or two.

The good news its having the unintended consequence of ticking off over 1 million Illinois gun owners and raising the awareness of what this Daley bootlicker is trying to do.

Dan Kotowski, former head of an Illinois Gun Control group, is the worst kind of political scum.

Ooops, political scum, that's redundant.
 
The current ISRA newsletter has a detailed cover article about the member in question--who actually spoke with Kotowski on the phone at some point also.

And yes, the article paints the ISP detectives as henchmen sent to give a warning. In fairness to Kotwoski (and my g-d, I hate even use the word 'fair' with his name in the same thought) the fellow had sent some faxes that were slightly over-the-top--one's refering to his having a security detail, etc. Nothing remotely a threat, but a bit off the topic at hand.

Yes, watch the new/old AWB bill we will. Allowing that it is re-introduced every year we could just make a hobby of it.
 
Definition please

How does this bill define "Assault Weapon" ???
I don't see anything about that. Just that you can't have one.
 
I think I will be joining the ISRA. I am tired of this crap every year. I figure if I join I will have a chance to perhaps ask the leadership to ask candidates to introduce legislation that I would like to see passed.
 
Right now they have bigger fish to fry

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...EAB91639B7D1B20D8625737A0007BA82?OpenDocument
Illinois lawmakers take indefinite break
By Kurt Erickson
LEE CAPITOL BUREAU
10/20/2007


SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — They still have unfinished business, but it appears state lawmakers won't be returning to Springfield for at least another week.

Aides to Senate President Emil Jones and House Speaker Michael Madigan said Friday that they have heard of no immediate plans to reconvene what has become a record-setting overtime session — the original adjournment deadline was May 31.

"I think it's too early to say anything. I haven't heard anything," said Jones spokeswoman Cindy Davidsmeyer.

Madigan spokesman Steve Brown said members of the House will be given seven days' notice if any action is scheduled. He said it would be unfair not to give lawmakers some notice.

"People have lives to live. This whole five or six months we've spent with people being yanked around like yo-yos is kind of ignorant and disrespectful, so we'll try to avoid that going forward," said Brown.

With budget issues still unresolved and Chicago-area transit systems insisting they need a state bailout by Nov. 4, it is expected the Legislature will be back before the end of the year.

But Brown said it makes no sense for the House to return until an agreement is reached by negotiators on a mass transit bailout.

Madigan believes it is up to House Minority Leader Tom Cross of Oswego to negotiate a deal with Gov. Rod Blagojevich. Some Republican votes are needed for the bailout because the measure needs a supermajority to take immediate effect.

But Republicans say the bailout and a proposed statewide construction plan must be tied together.
 
Il. is a strange state. They are lifting the machine gun ban, and now introducing this piece of junk that won't do much of anything.
 
For Eric.Cartman:

Here is the House bill - the Senate bill was identical
http://ilga.gov/legislation/billsta...9&GA=95&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=28278&SessionID=51

Here is the definition of "assault weapon" a la Illinois gun banners - it's the same as CA I believe, and the same definition that has been placed into the McCarthy federal bill (1022). Unlike the Clinton ban bill, which was detatchable mag plus "TWO evil features", this newer one is detatchable mag plus "ONE evil feature").

Note also that the IL proposed law would ban also any semi-auto shotgun that can hold more than 5 rounds, and would ban all .50 BMG. Indeed, it's a very bad bill....

(a) Definitions. In this Section:
11 (1) "Semi-automatic assault weapon" means:
12 (A) any of the firearms or types, replicas, or
13 duplicates in any caliber of the firearms, known as:
14 (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies
15 Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
16 (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries
17 UZI and Galil;
18 (iii) Beretta AR-70 (SC-70);
19 (iv) Colt AR-15;
20 (v) Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and
21 FNC;
22 (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
23 (vii) Steyr AUG;

<SNIP for page break>

1
2 (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, and TEC-22;
3 and
4 (ix) any shotgun which contains its ammunition
5 in a revolving cylinder, such as (but not limited
6 to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
7 (B) a semi-automatic rifle that has an ability to
8 accept a detachable magazine and has any of the
9 following:
10 (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
11 (ii) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
12 (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or
13 partially or completely encircles the barrel, and
14 that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with
15 the non-trigger hand without being burned; or
16 (iv) a fixed magazine that has the capacity to
17 accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
18 (C) a semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to
19 accept a detachable magazine and has any of the
20 following:
21 (i) a folding, telescoping, or thumbhole
22 stock;
23 (ii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially
24 or completely encircles the barrel, and that
25 permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the
26 non-trigger hand without being burned;

<Snip for page break>

1 (iii) an ammunition magazine that attaches to
2 the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
3 (iv) a fixed magazine that has the capacity to
4 accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
5 (v) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more
6 when the pistol is unloaded; or
7 (vi) a semi-automatic version of an automatic
8 firearm;
9 (D) a semi-automatic shotgun that has any of the
10 following:
11 (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
12 (ii) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
13 (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5
14 rounds; or
15 (iv) an ability to accept a detachable
16 magazine. "Semi-automatic assault weapon" does not
17 include:
18 (A) any firearm that:
19 (i) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever,
20 or slide action;
21 (ii) is an "unserviceable firearm" or has been
22 made permanently inoperable; or
23 (iii) is an antique firearm;
24 (B) any air rifle as defined in Section 1 of the
25 Air Rifle Act.
 
For comparison, here's California's current AW gar-bahge.
12276. As used in this chapter, "assault weapon" shall mean the
following designated semiautomatic firearms:
(a) All of the following specified rifles:
(1) All AK series including, but not limited to, the models
identified as follows:
(A) Made in China AK, AKM, AKS, AK47, AK47S, 56, 56S, 84S, and
86S.
(B) Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(C) Poly Technologies AKS and AK47.
(D) MAADI AK47 and ARM.
(2) UZI and Galil.
(3) Beretta AR-70.
(4) CETME Sporter.
(5) Colt AR-15 series.
(6) Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C.
(7) Fabrique Nationale FAL, LAR, FNC, 308 Match, and Sporter.
(8) MAS 223.
(9) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, and HK-PSG-1.
(10) The following MAC types:
(A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11.
(B) SWD Incorporated M11.
(11) SKS with detachable magazine.
(12) SIG AMT, PE-57, SG 550, and SG 551.
(13) Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48.
(14) Sterling MK-6.
(15) Steyer AUG.
(16) Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78S.
(17) Armalite AR-180.
(18) Bushmaster Assault Rifle.
(19) Calico M-900.
(20) J&R ENG M-68.
(21) Weaver Arms Nighthawk.
(b) All of the following specified pistols:
(1) UZI.
(2) Encom MP-9 and MP-45.
(3) The following MAC types:
(A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11.
(B) SWD Incorporated M-11.
(C) Advance Armament Inc. M-11.
(D) Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11.
(4) Intratec TEC-9.
(5) Sites Spectre.
(6) Sterling MK-7.
(7) Calico M-950.
(8) Bushmaster Pistol.
(c) All of the following specified shotguns:
(1) Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12.
(2) Striker 12.
(3) The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12.
(d) Any firearm declared by the court pursuant to Section 12276.5
to be an assault weapon that is specified as an assault weapon in a
list promulgated pursuant to Section 12276.5.
(e) The term "series" includes all other models that are only
variations, with minor differences, of those models listed in
subdivision (a), regardless of the manufacturer.
(f) This section is declaratory of existing law, as amended, and a
clarification of the law and the Legislature's intent which bans the
weapons enumerated in this section, the weapons included in the list
promulgated by the Attorney General pursuant to Section 12276.5, and
any other models which are only variations of those weapons with
minor differences, regardless of the manufacturer. The Legislature
has defined assault weapons as the types, series, and models listed
in this section because it was the most effective way to identify and
restrict a specific class of semiautomatic weapons.
12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall
also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to
accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action
of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine
with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length
of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor,
forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely
encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon
without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the
barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location
outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the
capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action
of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a
detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Notice that line (12) of the IL version also bans replicas. It makes Airsoft guns into 'assault weapons' (unless they're excluded under the "Air Rifle Act."). Brilliant.
 
This bill met heavy opposition from my state senator, because Armalite and Rock River arms are both in our district. They've been delaying final action on this, kicking it down the street since February. I don't think it will pass but just in case it does, I bought an AR-15 last July.
 
They are lifting the machine gun ban,

Did all the politcos in Springfield take a hit of meth when no one was watching ???

I can't see the either the House, Senate and/or Blago approving THAT, nor have I heard anything. I think the NRA and ISRA would be screaming from the rooftops if they managed to get this passed with a Democrat House, Senate and Governor (who's a rabid anti-2A bigot).
 
The IL class 3 NFA ban was lifted briefly (for like 4 mo's) in the early 80's---sometimes it gets picked up as a 'new' story from tribune archives and such (this might be the source of the idea???).

Jim Sacia has been trying to get an exemption for NFA SBR's for re-enactors but that seems somewhat like a non-starter, too.
 
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