Illinois bans the Ruger 10/22 (among others)

[JTHunter]

In a case called "Barnett v. Raoul (3:23-cv-00209) (S.D. Ill. 2023) - NSSF Gun/Mag Ban", IL-ANNOY has passed legislation that would ban the 10/22 along with many other rifles. Former NRA lobbyist Todd Vandermyde has a video (~15 min.) that details the inconsistencies and errors of this legislation. The video can be found on Page 6 of this thread at Illinois Carry (dot) com about 3/4 down the page.
https://illinoiscarry.com/forum/ind...-sd-ill-2023-nssf-gunmag-ban/page/6/#comments
It can also be found on Youtube at

 

[hoardingthemanual]

Plinking is such a fun and simple past time. It's a shame that a few people are trying to take it away from everyone.

 

[JTHunter]

Well, there is another wrinkle in this "Public Safety Act" and it refers to SA shotguns. Here is Todd's video on that - -

 

[rust collector]

The more guns in common use they try to ban, the greater the likelihood the courts will set them straight. Classic overreaching, and makes their case less defensible. Greed and arrogance has consequences, even in Illinois.

 

[MrShooter]

Let's make this a shout out to anyone living in Wisconsin to vote next week for Supreme Court Justice. We're just a few days away from a Court stacked with left wing liberals. With sorros pouring millions into the attack adds against the conservative who he just happens to have supported during the primary, the odds are extremely slim a conservative will win in the state known for perfecting voter fraud and 2am vote dumps.

 

[JTHunter]

Let's make this a shout out to anyone living in Wisconsin to vote next week for Supreme Court Justice. We're just a few days away from a Court stacked with left wing liberals. With sorros pouring millions into the attack adds against the conservative who he just happens to have supported during the primary, the odds are extremely slim a conservative will win in the state known for perfecting voter fraud and 2am vote dumps.

The WI SC vote may be altered if enough people are informed. Unfortunately, we have already witnessed how screwed up the IL SC has become.
Gov. "Jabba" gave the campaigns of two of the judges running for the SC $500,000 each, THEN, in violation of a law he recently signed, gave these same two ANOTHER $500,000 from his trust fund !
And these two judges may now be hearing these cases fighting these weapons bans where Jabba is a defendant !

 

[CapnMac]

Well, this ban is under a lot of legal scrutiny right now, and may, or may not be enforceable.
There's to be a hearing on the first 'big' case next week, which is supposed to determine if enforcement will be allowed state-wide (there are 5-6 cases being presently argued, and some of those are geographically limited).

That being the case, there's no real State Code to quote or discuss, so this will likely pass out of the purview of Legal quickly.

 

[rust collector]

The bill which was signed by the governor into law January 10, and carries a compliance deadline of January 1, 2024 can be found here: https://ilga.gov/legislation/102/HB/10200HB5471lv.htm

Although some have said the legislation bans 170 different guns, there appear to be generic references that could result in a far greater reach than many understood. The issue will be decided by various courts as we proceed, and speculation about how the courts will ultimately rule is not particularly helpful. Hyperbole and overstatement is not limited to one side of the issue or the other, so let's use this thread to discuss findings of the Illinois courts that affect Illinois residents throughout the state.

 

[JTHunter]

There was also some wording in the legislation that, after a certain amount of time, the ISP would be "allowed" to make changes (additions) to the law without going through the legislature again.
This allows the ISP to ADD firearms "after the fact". So yes, the number of banned guns WILL go up.

 

[JTHunter]

As another "oversight" by the politicians, even a standard 12 gauge semi or pump shotgun can be made "illegal" by using minishells.

 

[Old Dog]

Welcome to the West Coast world. In Washington, we've already had these (semi-auto rifles that take detachable mags and semi-auto shotguns) classed as assault weapons as far as having to complete a training course, show documentation and undergo a two-week waiting period to purchase them -- now with the new AWB pending, they'll be banned as well.

Although some have said the legislation bans 170 different guns, there appear to be generic references that could result in a far greater reach than many understood.

Pretty much the same here. Even one of the bill's sponsors couldn't articulate to us at the Senate Law & Justice committee hearing exactly which guns were going to be banned and didn't know if it would include some pistols (which it does). The Dems controlling our state legislature are clueless about firearms, spouted a lot of misinformation (and disinformation, as usual) and even told some bald-face lies during the hearing.

To make matters worse, we're in the 9th Circuit, so we have to hope that all these cases get to SCOTUS sometime in the next few years; in the meantime, we're screwed, as we've already seen, because even if a judge such as Benitez issues an injunction, then a stay will immediately drop, just like what's happened in CA. SCOTUS doesn't seem to be in any particular hurry to address how all these states are ignoring, or working around Bruen.

 

[JTHunter]

Here are two more videos. The first is about how this new law is affecting many different removable magazines and the second is about the Remington 870 shotgun.
Only in IL-ANNOY can the pols be this arrogant and stupid - and the "stupidity" is questionable.

 

[TomJ]

Here are two more videos. The first is about how this new law is affecting many different removable magazines and the second is about the Remington 870 shotgun.
Only in IL-ANNOY can the pols be this arrogant and stupid - and the "stupidity" is questionable.

I'm wondering how much of this is intentional. They want to ban private gun ownership altogether. Because they can't do that they're making it as difficult as possible by banning everything they can and causing so much confusion gun owners can't know what they can legally carry, with the state hoping that'll cause gun owners to not carry.

 

[Frank Ettin]

A.bunch of OT/political posts, and I think we’re done

 

[PapaG]

I think Todd is reaching on the 870 thing. I just reread the bill and only semi auto and a few specialty guns are listed. So far.
The whole law is dumb but let’s not be giving more ideas for them to add to the list.

 

[PapaG]

As another "oversight" by the politicians, even a standard 12 gauge semi or pump shotgun can be made "illegal" by using minishells.

Stretch. I just reread the law again and nowhere are pumps mentioned. Semi auto.

 

[JTHunter]

Stretch. I just reread the law again and nowhere are pumps mentioned. Semi auto.

That depends on whether your pump gun has an extended magazine or can accept one. The fact that the magazine can be "modified" makes it prohibited. OR, if you put mini-shells in it, the fact that you can put more than 5 minis in the standard magazine makes that gun illegal all over again.

 

[lilguy]

We have monthly ISRA meeting in the Chicago suburbs. This week we had two retail FFL speak who are part of the TROs. Very interesting what’s going on in the state.They are in business as usual, sell all items on the banned list, and having distributors resupplying them as necessary. All other FFLs are frozen in place with inventories unsellable.
Yes the ISP can add guns to the list as they feel necessary, also they are the ones to determine what is a non assault weapon sporting shotgun.
They also said that the 50 cal ban is all encompassing, does not just apply to the 50 bmg. Only shotguns and muzzleloaders are not included. 500 S+W.
50 AE, 50 Beowulf and any others are considered Assault Weapons according to their legal teams. It’s a lot to sift through and we are hoping for judicial relief,
but I’m not so sure we’re going to prevail.

 

[ColoradoMinuteMan]

In a case called "Barnett v. Raoul (3:23-cv-00209) (S.D. Ill. 2023) - NSSF Gun/Mag Ban", IL-ANNOY has passed legislation that would ban the 10/22 along with many other rifles. Former NRA lobbyist Todd Vandermyde has a video (~15 min.) that details the inconsistencies and errors of this legislation. The video can be found on Page 6 of this thread at Illinois Carry (dot) com about 3/4 down the page.
https://illinoiscarry.com/forum/ind...-sd-ill-2023-nssf-gunmag-ban/page/6/#comments
It can also be found on Youtube at

I’m confused how a court case has passed legislation.

 

[JTHunter]

I’m confused how a court case has passed legislation.

The court didn't pass the legislation. The IL-ANNOY General Assembly passed it and Gov. "Jabba" signed it in January. Multiple courts had multiple filings before them within a day or two. That is why there are multiple TROs and and lawsuits in multiple jurisdictions at this time. There are a couple of these cases that may have now been combined and either they, or a different case, has been put on hold, pending the outcome of yet another case as that case would very likely make the held case "moot".
I suggest and urge anybody that desires more information go to IllinoisCarry.com and go to the "Judicial Forum" as there are at least 6 threads there about various cases. Some are updated daily.

 

[TomJ]

I'm still on the e-mail list of one of the LGS' fighting this. I just received an e-mail from them that they were granted a TRO, and as of now there are no restrictions on the guns they can sell. It's hard to keep track of all the legal action that's occurring, but it looks like they're filing for emergency relief with the US Supreme Court.

 

[hutch51]

I'm still on the e-mail list of one of the LGS' fighting this. I just received an e-mail from them that they were granted a TRO, and as of now there are no restrictions on the guns they can sell. It's hard to keep track of all the legal action that's occurring, but it looks like they're filing for emergency relief with the US Supreme Court.

Court order attached.
The last paragraph made my jaw drop.

 

[TomJ]

This situation is a bit of a mess. Per the latest update from the LGS involved in this they're back to being restricted from selling AR's as well as a number of other guns as their municipality passed a ban not too long ago. Their attorneys are now telling them to TRO doesn't apply to the municipality's ban. Trying to sort through federal, state and local laws in order to do things legally is difficult, to say the least.

 

[PapaG]

That depends on whether your pump gun has an extended magazine or can accept one. The fact that the magazine can be "modified" makes it prohibited. OR, if you put mini-shells in it, the fact that you can put more than 5 minis in the standard magazine makes that gun illegal all over again.

Please show me where pumps are listed. Semi-autos, street sweepers, strykers, but no pumps. I am serious. Did is miss some obscure statement. Heck, half of my high school team is shooting assault weapons if that is true.

 

[lilguy]

one judge on the 7th circuit just upended the district court temporary injunction on the AWB.
The law is so vague that one can read almost anything into it. An Automag V in 50AE or a Ruger #1 in 500 nitro are assault weapons. Any shotgun that can hold too may rounds in some configuration could be considered. Its left up to the state police to determine whats a sporting shotgun.

https://ilga.gov/legislation/fullte...=5855&GAID=16&LegID=141830&SpecSess=&Session=