Illinois is just awful

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Chicago and NYC (and DC, IL and NY) gun laws are just old Jim Crow laws. They are based on fear of the guy that is not like you.

Because of this I have always had a problem on how these laws have managed to stay in place with so many black politicians these days. Are they blind? or:

An honest man generally assumes that everyone is honest, unless proven otherwise. a dishonest man....maybe that is why so many IL politicians are in Jail?
 
Chicago and NYC (and DC, IL and NY) gun laws are just old Jim Crow laws. They are based on fear of the guy that is not like you.

Because of this I have always had a problem on how these laws have managed to stay in place with so many black politicians these days. Are they blind? or:

An honest man generally assumes that everyone is honest, unless proven otherwise. a dishonest man....maybe that is why so many IL politicians are in Jail?
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Allow me to let you in on a dirty little secret:

The only people lawfully allowed to carry in Chicago are cops and... city council members. Ironic, considering the number of members who have gone to prison and who have ties to criminal gangs. As long as they have THEIR gun, to CARRY, the fools who vote for them are on their own.

It's all about "clout". "Rights" aren't even a consideration.
 
What are you talking about? I live in the US and have the same constitutional protections you do.
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Really?

Try to record a cop in public during the conduct of his mandated duties.

When I lived in Chicago I had NO idea how MANY rights I was forfeiting by doing so, be they the 1st, 2nd, 4th or 5th.
 
IL considers video/audio taping of a police officer a violation of wiretap laws, since in IL, recording someone without consent is an offense. The police automatically "do not consent" to being recorded.

Same law applies to any other civilian.

Illinois Wiretapping Law

Illinois's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. Illinois makes it a crime to use an "eavesdropping device" to overhear or record a phone call or conversation without the consent of all parties to the conversation. The law defines an "eavesdropping device" as "any device capable of being used to hear or record oral conversation or intercept, retain, or transcribe electronic communication whether such conversation or electronic communication is conducted in person, by telephone, or by any other means." 720 Ill. Comp. Stat. 5/14-1, -2. If you are operating in Illinois, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording an in-person conversation or telephone call. In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the Illinois wiretapping statute can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party.

While you generally are permitted to photograph or record video of people without permission in most public places, it is illegal in Illinois to "videotape, photograph, or film" people without their consent in "a restroom, tanning bed, or tanning salon, locker room, changing room or hotel bedroom." 720 Ill. Comp. Stat. 5/26-4(a) (scroll down).
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IL considers video/audio taping of a police officer a violation of wiretap laws, since in IL, recording someone without consent is an offense. The police automatically "do not consent" to being recorded:
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That's one more reason why I don't live in Illinois. The intent of such laws, and particularly the specifics of their enforcement are strictly to prevent citizens from being able to overcome the presumption of truth on the part of police when police violate the rights of citizens or commit overt criminal acts against them. No evidence, no crime.

Here, I'm entitled to record any conversation to which I am a party, and without the knowledge of any other party, never mind their permission.

I have the right to record police in the course of their duties where there is no expectation of privacy, and where I do not interfere with the performance of their duties. Merely videoing them doesn't count as interference.

In oh so many ways, residents of Illinois, and Chicago in particular, do not enjoy the liberties enjoyed by those living in places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, etc.
 
If one lives in places like Illinois, the pressure must be unbearable to pretend that things are different than they really are. I'd probably do the same. If you don't, it could drive you nuts. When do you fight, politically, and when do you accept what you believe you cannot change. I had a buddy who lived in WWII Italy. He used to say the Italian people bore no responsibility for Mussolini, as "we didn't want him". Maybe so, but you let him take over your country. When is it our responsibility?
 
Illinois is just awful
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Wrong. Make no mistake about it, Chicago is what makes Illinois awful - period.

My wife (and her large family) is from southern IL, and I have also done a lot of work across the state. You cut off the head and toss it in Lake Michigan and you have nice state.
 
Send Money

If the situation in Illinois offends so many people, as it seems to, send money to the ISRA, move here and change things. Illinois's position on guns is only a small part of the entire problem.
 
Illinois's position on guns is only a small part of the entire problem.
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Illinois's position on guns is only one symptom of a more fundamental problem, namely that they like things the way they are and have since before my grandmother was training to be an ambulance driver for WWI.

Why I'd want to move there and try to change things that the locals don't want to change escapes me.

I have little good to say about how Gaza is run. You won't see me moving there to try to change things there either, when the locals seem to like the way that Hamas is running the show.

Similarly, the majority of Illinoisians seem to like the way that Rahm Emmanuel and Quinn are running the show there, from gun control to police corruption. I can't fix that. That minimizes in no way, my right to comment on it, if for no other reason than as a negative example of abridgement of gun owner (and most other) rights.
 
You forgot

You neglected to comment on sending money to the ISRA. Bad situations are never corrected when people don't put their money where their mouth is. Chicago is corrupt no question but don't link the good people of Illinois with the likes of Emmanuel or Quinn.
 
Residents of Illinois have a DUTY BY LAW to be helpless victims of whatever violent criminal chooses to prey upon them outside of their home.
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That's not true. If a woman is ever attacked by a rapist the Illinois State Police suggest vomiting on them or scratching them with your car keys. Clearly that is a right to self-defense.
 
That's not true. If a woman is ever attacked by a rapist the Illinois State Police suggest vomiting on them or scratching them with your car keys. Clearly that is a right to self-defense.
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You're right. Clearly, the Illinois State Police support the right of a woman to "defend" herself... so long as the method used is unlikely to succeed and will probably result in (at best) a savage beating in addition to the rape.

But then it's always amusing when people who... carry guns for self-defense tell others that they don't need guns for self-defense.

If the government recognizes a "right" to travel... but only on the back of an iguanadon, is that "right" really a right?
 
So what are you doing about it?

If you aren't out there fighting for change or running for office then stop moaning like a drag queen who just put a run in his $50 a pair pantyhouse.
Do you vote? If not why not? You can't complain about your elected leaders if you dont vote. You forfeit that right in my book by not voting.

So you dont like the laws in IL you probably arent the only one. Organize, donate money and time, and consider running for office. Moaning and groaning doesnt get anything done. You elected officlas in IL are counting on your apathy and that of like minded citizens in your state to let the status quo continue.
 
Change is comming--the ISRA is just a great org run by great big-hearted folks that REALLY do the 'leg work' day-to-day and keep tabs on the bills pro/anti that are moving and share the data on the website with an easy-to-use spread sheet link. No big bells and whistles and 'glitz'---but updated almost daily and easy-to-see what's moving. AND they dont' abdicate their better and higher calling of promoting the sport--lots of clinics, shoots, ect.

In the better world, THAT is ALL they will need to focus on.

We just renewed our family membership. My schedule doesn't allow me a lot of time to donate, but I'm darn sure they get a few bucks and my good faith endorsment whenever the chance comes.
 
And BTW----(most) Chicago PD are very hard working and dedicated folks (not to mention pro-ccw in general); it is very unworthy and unjust to say or suggest otherwise. Once more, the ISP doesn't make the laws they enforce, either---they just catch the blame because someone (back in '67) thought they should be the agency that issues the FOID cards---hence they get their collective feet held the fire as though it was all their idea. As for the 'rat tail comb (ect.) nonsense....well, I don't know whence THAT came..., but it was their official suggestion on their website to be sure(!). I'm sure most of them have never looked at the *&^%$ website (after all....THAT is work and who wants that when not on duty). The ISP may have a certain 'dudley-do-right' image in the public mind, but they are known to be exceptionally professional in their conduct and demeanor in most every respect; they are very selective in their hiring process and have a long probation/training regimine.
 
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And BTW----(most) Chicago PD are very hard working and dedicated folks (not to mention pro-ccw in general); it is very unworthy and unjust to say or suggest otherwise. Once more, the ISP doesn't make the laws they enforce, either
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The Chicago and Illinois State Police are the creatures of Daley, Emmanuel, Blagojevich, and Quinn. They're not drafted. They can leave any time they want.

They CHOOSE to not only enforce unconstitutional laws, but to promote the corrupt philosophy behind them.

The recent history of the Chicago PD speaks for itself, especially that of the S.O.S. section one of whose claims to fame was confiscating guns.

You could argue that gun confiscations and home invasion robberies lie on the same moral continuum.
 
Where Commeth all this Knowledge

Deanimator:

You seem offer knowledge of Illinois that is strange for someone who doesn't live here. There is almost an animosity in your writings. I wonder why???
 
Deanimator:

You seem offer knowledge of Illinois that is strange for someone who doesn't live here. There is almost an animosity in your writings. I wonder why???
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I was born and raised in Chicago and lived there until I went to college and joined the Army. I still unfortunately go there once a year to visit relatives.

Most of my living relatives live in and around Chicago.

I know Illinois, and Chicago in particular, VERY well.
 
Similarly, the majority of Illinoisians seem to like the way that Rahm Emmanuel and Quinn are running the show there, from gun control to police corruption.
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Is that why hb148 got a majority of the votes in the house of representatives?

Also the Chicago sergeants and lieutenants associations support hb148, our current shall issue bill.
 
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I happen to know a couple Ilinois State Police who are far above some of the lame comments made here. Anyone who judges a group by the actions of a few need to evaluate just where their thoughts originate from.
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Serfs? I have lived in IL my entire life and never once felt like a serf. IL is far from perfect but trust me most of the rest of the country is not either.
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You might as well be living in N Korea, for the way Kim Jung Emmanuel and his thugs respect your rights.
 
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