Im just tired of it all

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My rate is around 8-10K. Though admittedly I don't get to shoot nearly as much as I'd like.

I'm certainly not saying that there aren't shooters who fire upwards of 20K rounds per year (I know a few myself) but they're the exception rather than the rule.
 
maybe i just have issues that make me want to buy a gun that fits my hands right out of the box. maybe im just to ornery to purchase a revolver for 500 from sw thats going to need at least 120 dollars to get grips that fit. when i can spend 500 and have a non sw revolver that fits my hand from the get go, and actually balances like i need it too. or has sights that WORK for me right from the get go.

maybe im just in shock that when i got the coveted centennial model in my hands it had the grace of a wet turd, and i couldnt figure out what was so special other then the price tag and the logo on it?
 
O.k. All that's fair enough, if that's how you perceive those guns. Did you find something else that works for you and meets your price range?

Maybe you could do a range report on the gun(s) that you DO like. A positive and informative range report would go farther toward "defending" the low end of the gun market (or at least the gun you chose) than generalized grumpiness. :)

So, do tell! What's your new favorite?
 
I've met many guys who think "high price(and/or high priced name)=quality and that any other manufactorer produces crap guns that you are throwing your money away buying. These are usually the same guys who bad mouth any AR manufactorer other than Colt or think that H&K has reached the pinicle of handgun perfection with it's SOCOM and everything else is second best or worse.
 
After almost 50 years of owning and shooting fire arms, I don't let anyones opinion bother me. I shoot what I want. To paraphrase a line I remember from a Tom Selleck movie:" Mister, you've got no idea how little I care about what you think."
 
After almost 50 years of owning and shooting fire arms, I don't let anyones opinion bother me. I shoot what I want. To paraphrase a line I remember from a Tom Selleck movie:" Mister, you've got no idea how little I care about what you think."
Preach on, Brother.
 
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Charter. $362 dollars.

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Smith. $429 dollars.

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Taurus. $339

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Rossi. $338



I know which one I want to hand down to my grandchildren.

If you want to save LESS than a hundred bucks, and going with one of the other brands, fine. But its 100 bucks. I personally will make the investment.
 
To paraphrase a line I remember from a Tom Selleck movie:" Mister, you've got no idea how little I care about what you think."

That kind of attitude would kill the gun forums ;) but yeah I agree.

As far as opinions or brand loyalty each his to his own, but there’s no denying that S&W and Colt earned their rep years ago whether they're still deserving of that rep is up for debate.
 
in order to make sure that the sw revolver pictured above would fit my hand, id require at least $120 + sh to get a replacement grip for it off the net. and in order to get the perfect grip, id have to purchase at least 3 or 4 different grips to find the perfect one. and not all companies would be nice to let me return for a refund.

then id have to find a replacement thumbpiece for the cylinder latch so that it would be usable by a mangled thumb i have, instead of having to use the other hand to release the cylinder. then id most likely have to pay a gunsmith to install it for me so as not to violate the sw warranty policy.


then id have to deal with the constant agravation the sw weapon being used for a reference would never balance the way i need. that kind of aggravation doesnt help with accuracy or happiness at all.


so yes, id be required to look at the more expensive full size frames by sw, the cheapest of wich would run me around 800 due to special ordering it. not exactly something i truly want to do.

so what is the best option, please tell me. buy something i dont like at $462.00 plus tax, rough total $500.00 out the door. Plus at least $120.00 for a single pair of grips, when i may have to spend 3hundred to get one pair that works for me. then unknown amount for a thumb latch, so figure at least $620.00 right off the bat?
 
I've met many guys who think "high price(and/or high priced name)=quality and that any other manufactorer produces crap guns that you are throwing your money away buying. These are usually the same guys who bad mouth any AR manufactorer other than Colt or think that H&K has reached the pinicle of handgun perfection with it's SOCOM and everything else is second best or worse.
I'm one of those guys. Maybe I should just give away my two Freedom Arms Model 83's?
 
Dude seriously. If you inspect, hold, shoot a Smith,and then a charter, you can tell ok. Its not rocket science, one is cheap, the other isnt.

Guns don't have to be cheap to feel crude by comparison to some other models. My SP 101 was not cheap, is a fine .357, and is not on the SAME PLANET with regard to feel, function, smoothness, and asthetics compared to my father's LNIB 30+ year old SW model 19 2.5". No one makes out of the box triggers like that. Ditto the deep, rich high polish blue.
 
in order to make sure that the sw revolver pictured above would fit my hand, id require at least $120 + sh to get a replacement grip for it off the net. and in order to get the perfect grip, id have to purchase at least 3 or 4 different grips to find the perfect one. and not all companies would be nice to let me return for a refund.
Yeah, some of us do end up with a few different grips, thought $120 seems mighty high. The standard does seem to be to try out grip styles you might like (a gun show is a great place for this, or some nicer shops) and then buy something like that. Then go shoot it a few thousand times before you decide if that one's "right" for you. Yes, the gun has to "fit" you ... to some degree ... but no gun is likely to feel like it grew there in your hand until you have put some serious range time in with it -- no matter how much you spent on the grips.

then id have to find a replacement thumbpiece for the cylinder latch so that it would be usable by a mangled thumb i have, instead of having to use the other hand to release the cylinder.
Woah. The best you're likely to find is a simple oversized competition latch button. There are a few different ones but they aren't amazingly different. Maybe something like this?
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The selection of these is MUCH better for S&Ws than for the lower tier guns though. Like, they exist for S&Ws and DON'T for the lower end. Remember, many fewer shooters "accessorize" their bargain rack guns, or use them in competition -- which is what drives the custom parts market.

then id most likely have to pay a gunsmith to install it for me so as not to violate the sw warranty policy.
Uh, seriously? It's one small screw. They aren't going to beat you up over that. When I lost one hiking one day they sent me a new one (free) with the expectation that I could figure out how to put it on myself. You're kind of inventing problems here.

then id have to deal with the constant agravation the sw weapon being used for a reference would never balance the way i need. that kind of aggravation doesnt help with accuracy or happiness at all.
I'm not sure what this even means, exactly (balance? It's a handgun...what balance are you looking for?) but if you do manage to find something you like -- buy it. I'd be surprised if the lower end of the market offeres you something that feels BETTER in the hand than the upper end of the market, but anything is possible. For someone looking at the bargain rack, you seem to have picky tastes! :)

so what is the best option, please tell me. buy something i dont like at $462.00 plus tax, rough total $500.00 out the door. Plus at least $120.00 for a single pair of grips, when i may have to spend 3hundred to get one pair that works for me. then unknown amount for a thumb latch, so figure at least $620.00 right off the bat?
Wow. You seem to have worried youself into a corner. What should you do? Stop stressing over it and go buy something you can afford. Make it the best thing you can afford (I'd go for a used Ruger GP100, Speed Six, Security Six, or maybe a Taurus) -- along with a few thousand rounds to start getting your feet wet and developing a bit of familiarity/proficiency with the gun. No gun is going to be "PERFECT" for you (or me), certainly for anything close to this price range, but you can still learn to shoot what you have with confidence.

Get 5,000 or 10,000 rounds down range with what you can afford now and then you'll be a much more educated consumer when the time comes (and finances allow) for you move to something that works even better for you.
 
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I have given up on this guy. <comment deleted -- Sam> Its starting to sound ... not right.


I think people who pay 1200 for 3 "cheap guns" would be better off buying 2 "Nice guns" but hey, thats just me.
 
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yep
empathy retracted
(even my peevishness has limits)

PS
just maybe this guy really really really wants that "name" gun and is just overly peevish about the price... keeps adding custom shop criteria, but it must be had for <$500... "been there, done that"
 
I have given up on this guy. ... Its starting to sound ... not right.
I have spoken to Nicodemus via P.M. and he's just fine. He simply needs to find something that works for him and he's concerned about spending too much and not liking what he gets.

I think people who pay 1200 for 3 "cheap guns" would be better off buying 2 "Nice guns" but hey, thats just me.
You are certainly right. But not everyone has the luxury of spending even half of that. It can be frustrating to scrape together a few hundred dollars for a gun and then realize that the market doesn't have anything GOOD down in your budget.

I still recommend a used Ruger. You can find them pretty cheap if you look around (certianly under $400) and, almost regardless of what it's been through, and no matter how many rounds you run through it, you'll still be able to pass it on to your grandkids. Not as refined as a Colt or nice Smith, but a very respectable revolver.
 
You are certainly right. But not everyone has the luxury of spending even half of that. It can be frustrating to scrape together a few hundred dollars for a gun and then realize that the market doesn't have anything GOOD down in your budget.

That’s not a fault of gun markers but of politics and money policy.

For those so affected there’s HI-Point and Kel-Tec, a sad reality of life is the revolver ain’t cheap anymore
 
For those so affected there’s HI-Point and Kel-Tec, a sad reality of life is the revolver ain’t cheap anymore

Oh, I don't know about that. I think if you're willing to drop your standards far enough to look at a Hi-Point for an auto, you will not be any less impressed with the performance/quality of a Rossi, Charter, Armscor, and others in the revolver world.

But it boggles my mind that folks would buy a NEW (any of the above) when you could get a used police or security company trade-in Smith 64 or similar from CDNN, J&G, or one of the other on-line dealers for sometimes LESS than $200.
 
That’s not a fault of gun markers but of politics and money policy.

For those so affected there’s HI-Point and Kel-Tec, a sad reality of life is the revolver ain’t cheap anymore

Nor is it the fault of those who worked hard/smart enough to afford the upper end.
 
Look, Nicodemus, I've got a proposition for you:

Click on this link:
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.../3104?osCsid=1df7aca4d948ed38787bb0a02e05f272

J&G Sales has lots of these security-company trade in Smith & Wesson Model 64s. They are stainless .38 Special, 4" barrel, double-action-only. They are solid as a rock, with nice comfortable rubber grips, carried a lot, shot very little (usually) and are a crazy good deal at $249.95!

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Maybe they aren't "perfect" for you. But you could walk into your local gun shop and have them order one for you and for probably right at or slightly under $300 (after transfer fee & shipping) you could have a Smith & Wesson revolver (the stainless version of the classic Model 10) that will be a joy forever.

Then shoot it 5,000 or 10,000 times -- as is -- and then come back and tell me that is itsn't perfect for you and you need to do X, Y, and Z to it to make it just right, and I'll believe you because you'll have earned that knowledge. And even if you HATE it, you could sell a Model 64 again pretty quickly without losing money on the deal.

Think about it. $250. If you can think about buying a gun you can surely scrape up $250. And if you hate it and sell it and want to go buy a cheaper new gun, well, that will then be an educated choice. (My money says you will NEVER make that trade, but at least you'll know the difference when decision time comes.)
 
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