I'm proud of my wife.
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grasssnake
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Keep her barefoot and pregnant and you will have yourself a hillbilly wife worth keepin'
Ragnar Danneskjold
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Wait, what?
dprice3844444
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start taping rush limbaugh shows for her
Great conversion story and thanks for posting. If more of us could put a well woven rebuttal against some of the anti dribble and out right misquotes or lies that are fostered through radio and media, occasionally, then maybe we could beat back many of the misconceptions and reasons for not owning.
Again great story
Again great story
ForumSurfer
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Good on her and good on you for being patient.
Yep! Drop the labels. We need as many people as possible on our side. Political affiliation means nothing so long as they are actively working to further the RKBA.
Yep! Drop the labels. We need as many people as possible on our side. Political affiliation means nothing so long as they are actively working to further the RKBA.
SSN Vet
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Some time ago, I was introduced to the term "love lines" in reference to the connections we all have to our upbringing, education, religion, ethnicity, culture, etc....
The basic idea is that people have certain loyalties that they hold to, without much logic or reason. And that if you argue against them about these points, you will get an emotional (and often angry) response.
We all have our love lines.
It takes a mature person to evaluate them and change our positions.
A personal commitment to the truth goes a long ways in this regard.
The basic idea is that people have certain loyalties that they hold to, without much logic or reason. And that if you argue against them about these points, you will get an emotional (and often angry) response.
We all have our love lines.
It takes a mature person to evaluate them and change our positions.
A personal commitment to the truth goes a long ways in this regard.
CoRoMo
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I have to wonder if he was swayed in the least... or if he just wrote her off as a nonbeliever, a traitor to the cause, just some ill-informed listener who won't abide by the doctrine, a stray sheep so to speak. I wonder if she really impacted those hosts or any of their listeners. I hope people weren't screaming at their radio, shouting something like, "Get off the phone! You're not one of us! Go join the hicks in the GOP, we don't need you!"
I always wonder how the message is received amongst the die hard fascists who would disarm this nation's citizens. It's good to hear that SHE has received the message that you've relayed with an open ear.
Inazone
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My wife is pretty liberal on social issues, but in the eight years we've been married, she has "seen the light" on why the typical Democrat economics are unsustainable . . . and why the right for private citizens to own firearms is so important. She has never questioned my gun purchases, and has taken the step from accepting my interest in shooting to being interested herself. She is in the Army Reserves (medical) and had never fired a handgun until drill last month, but she proved to be a quick study and now wants to go with me to the range.
As for political labels, they just don't mean much anymore. I always considered myself a conservative and voted Republican for many years, but now I find myself more interested in voting for who best represents me than in what party they belong to. Frankly, the only way I think the US will ever get back on a firm footing is if the federal government stops sticking its nose into state/local issues (where citizens are arguably better-represented) and deals with matters that require a UNITED approach. Too many resources are being poured into telling people "you can't do that" when the decision-makers can't relate to the population they govern.
As for political labels, they just don't mean much anymore. I always considered myself a conservative and voted Republican for many years, but now I find myself more interested in voting for who best represents me than in what party they belong to. Frankly, the only way I think the US will ever get back on a firm footing is if the federal government stops sticking its nose into state/local issues (where citizens are arguably better-represented) and deals with matters that require a UNITED approach. Too many resources are being poured into telling people "you can't do that" when the decision-makers can't relate to the population they govern.
Wow, good summary on post #22 Ragnar. I've always thought of it as Liberty vs. Statist, but collectivist vs. individualist is the same concept.
Even though there are some self professed "liberal gun owners", I agree that they should question why they support the collectivization of some parts of society, such as wealth, healthcare, food, and education, and yet not the wholesale collectivization of firearm ownership. The argument against the distribution of wealth into the hands of a few seems to be that those few may use their wealth to ill gotten ends, or that unnecessary death and suffering will result from a lack of those at the bottom to afford living necessities, or healthcare.
It is no coincidence that the primary argument against individual firearm ownership is that those individuals may use said firearms for ill gotten ends, or that they may cause unnecessary death and suffering. In the same way that proponents of RKBA recognize that that the death/crime rate is actually lower when individuals possess the freedom to keep arms, we should also recognize that the poverty rate is actually lower when indviduals possess the freedom to collect wealth. Arguments to the contrary of both of these statements are emotionally pithy, but don't stand the scruitny of history or objective study.
Even though there are some self professed "liberal gun owners", I agree that they should question why they support the collectivization of some parts of society, such as wealth, healthcare, food, and education, and yet not the wholesale collectivization of firearm ownership. The argument against the distribution of wealth into the hands of a few seems to be that those few may use their wealth to ill gotten ends, or that unnecessary death and suffering will result from a lack of those at the bottom to afford living necessities, or healthcare.
It is no coincidence that the primary argument against individual firearm ownership is that those individuals may use said firearms for ill gotten ends, or that they may cause unnecessary death and suffering. In the same way that proponents of RKBA recognize that that the death/crime rate is actually lower when individuals possess the freedom to keep arms, we should also recognize that the poverty rate is actually lower when indviduals possess the freedom to collect wealth. Arguments to the contrary of both of these statements are emotionally pithy, but don't stand the scruitny of history or objective study.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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Outstanding point.
There is a concept known as the "moral hazard" which is defined as "Lack of incentive to guard against risk where one is protected from its consequences". It is used a lot in economics but it applies pretty much everywhere in life. When one relies on others, or can place the responsibility for something on others, whatever they are doing tends to be done in an inferior way than if they are doing it for themselves. The examples are everywhere. Look at public ranges even. Trash is left everywhere because "It's not my land, someone else will clean it up". Graffiti on public property, welfare and unemployment abuse, and so forth. Parents relying on teacher to rais and feed their children. Wherever a human can shift the blame, responsibility, or cost for something onto someone other than themselves with no consequences, they do so. And the vast majority of the time, things end up worse for it.
When one must take care of themselves, it tends to be done better. When it's your property, you take a little more time keeping it clean and working. When it's your money, you make sure it's spent a little more wisely. When it's your life, you go the extra mile to protect yourself. In each case, when you must do something, fix something, clean something, and especially pay for something yourself, you tend to do it a lot better than if someone else was doing it for you. And it goes both ways. When you're doing something for yourself, you do a better job than if you were doing it for some unknown "other".
This relates to individualism vs. collectivism and guns in that there is indeed less crime when people can protect themselves. There is less tyranny when the citizens are looking after themselves. Whenever you sell out your own protection, whether from a thug on a street or a tyrant in the capitol, the quality of that protection is degraded.
I was talking with one of my closest shooting buddies recently at the range, and he mentioned that while he would be considered a liberal and I a conservative, we seem to agree on just about every subject we discuss. This is not the first time someone has said this to me nor vice versa. I'm beginning to have hope that the two parties will eventually collapse under their own weight; that enough of us get fed up with their shenanigans that they become more or less irrelevant. This is the "revolution" that we should seek. This should be our "fundamental change". There is no reason that concepts like charity and self reliance can't coexist if we'd just quit listening to the folks trying to use hate to get votes. On a more gun-related note, we also agreed that his H&K and my Ruger were about equally matched on accuracy and fun factor. Sharing is good. 
MedWheeler
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Wait a minute.. is it still okay to talk about our wives in this thread..?
epijunkie67
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As long as you mind her reading it... LOL
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To the OP--good on your wife, and good on you for marrrying her.
To the remainder of the posters on this thread--some seriously insightful posts.
This is what makes THR one of the better boards out there. Keep up the great work and civil discourse.
To the remainder of the posters on this thread--some seriously insightful posts.
This is what makes THR one of the better boards out there. Keep up the great work and civil discourse.
blarby
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+1 for your awesome wife !
Always good to have a partner who ya click with !
Always good to have a partner who ya click with !
Ragnar I 100% agree with your first post. That is exactly right.
Moewadle from post 22, I also agree that voting on single issues is a huge problem in our society. People get focused on a single issue and ignore all other facts about them. Its ridiculous.
I personally believe the amount of Democrats who are pro 2nd Amendment is the largest factor holding the liberals back from passing more restrictive gun laws.
Now back to the OP, cool story. My wife is cool with my gun habit. But, unfortunately, she was present for an accidental discharge of a 20 gauge shotgun in a kitchen many years ago. No one was hurt except the freezer, but it scarred her for life I am afraid. She has a loaded revolver and I think she would use it if someone broke in the house, but she is not comfortable around them and has to dig pretty deep just to practice. Fortunately she is a country girl and has shot guns, on and off, for most of her life. They dont feel foreign to her. But I doubt she will ever get her CCW or shoot for the fun of it. I hate that she witnessed that but it is what it is. Im certainly not about to force anything on her.
Moewadle from post 22, I also agree that voting on single issues is a huge problem in our society. People get focused on a single issue and ignore all other facts about them. Its ridiculous.
I personally believe the amount of Democrats who are pro 2nd Amendment is the largest factor holding the liberals back from passing more restrictive gun laws.
Now back to the OP, cool story. My wife is cool with my gun habit. But, unfortunately, she was present for an accidental discharge of a 20 gauge shotgun in a kitchen many years ago. No one was hurt except the freezer, but it scarred her for life I am afraid. She has a loaded revolver and I think she would use it if someone broke in the house, but she is not comfortable around them and has to dig pretty deep just to practice. Fortunately she is a country girl and has shot guns, on and off, for most of her life. They dont feel foreign to her. But I doubt she will ever get her CCW or shoot for the fun of it. I hate that she witnessed that but it is what it is. Im certainly not about to force anything on her.
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