I'm starting up a decentralized governance for digital gun assetization. Please read more

[bersaguy]

That's a negative Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.....

Sorry, let me expound on that. The utility of such a service, (product? Hard to classify) is of little use to a prospective gun buyer. Who previously owned the gun is of little to no value, and what modifications have been done should be fairly obvious. For those modifications (or defects) that are not obvious, there is no reason for a seller to submit those to be listed in the token. However, having a chain of custody of a firearm seems like it would only be useful in the event that some government agency would like to locate the firearm and its owner. Not something that the general firearm community would ever get behind

 

[gyp_c2]

Uhh ya'll might have better luck on yer' fishin' trip on the golf circuit.
Heard those golfers are hard on clubs.
...and cars. Plus, they are already hittin' a lil' white ball and chasin' it all day....
They'd probably welcome a ball registry.
If it saves one life!

 

[George P]

I'll bet the OP is NOT a gun owner...................and I smell leftists behind the curtain

 

[Hartkopf]

I consider the OP an anti gunner looking for fools.

Guess it never hurts to ask people if they’re dumb enough to give away their freedoms. Unfortunately millions of fools don’t even know they are already giving their freedoms away. Since the OP probably understands this, what better place to ask than a gun forum? Luckily THR has less fools than most forums.

 

[LNK]

Funny that he seems to have vanished, he had two posts, and they were exactly the same.

 

[Frank Ettin]

Provenance is very important if dealing with fine art or antiques. It’s not that important with the usual used gun.

So this is just another answer in search of a question.

 

[GunChon112]

Knowing the gun community, this will go over like a lead balloon. People are paranoid about having their guns tracked in any way.

lmao, that gave me a good laugh because you are so right. I am really trying to find a way to explain to them that nothing is actually being tracked. But like you said with the lead ballon, its not going to be a simple task. The fact of the matter is that the Dems will never stop trying to come after our guns, and as much as I don't want my project to be a political platform I find it unavoidable. If I can just get people to understand that this is a decentralized platform that will be structured by self governance. It really is a libertarians dream come true. A self governed platform would allow it to be controlled by the users, in time with growth it would be uncontrollable by the government because there is nothing to control, because its decentralized. Decentralization will be our digital freedom from government.

 

[GunChon112]

A much simpler solution would be to make it possible for the average person (seller) to be able to access the system and do a background check on a potential buyer.

Lemme see ... putting private information in the hands of strangers ... voluntarily no less ... not only no, but:

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What do you consider private information? I think one concept that people have yet to grasp is what a self governing blockchain is and how it works. in terms of private information, the only thing that would be on record would be serial number of the gun, their is no names, no addresses. I don't see how we could design the system any different without a serial#, it's already documented by during BG checks during a FFL transfer

 

[DrDeFab]

I'm a software developer and have a thorough understanding of NFTs, blockchain, etc. They are trending right now and people are fishing for markets to apply them to so they can cash in as part of the next wave.

In terms of applying NFTs to firearms, I not only consider it unneeded and unwanted, I would actively oppose it.

 

[GunChon112]

A much simpler solution would be to make it possible for the average person (seller) to be able to access the system and do a background check on a potential buyer.

Thanks for your feedback. Unfortunately for myself and

Funny that he seems to have vanished, he had two posts, and they were exactly the same.

I've read the OP three times and still cannot come up with a single reason why I would want an NFT tag on any gun I bought or sold. It literally has no value to me whatsoever.

But I do have several reasons NOT to utilize such a system:

All firearms have been required to have serial#'s since 1968. Using NFT's to track information as to previous buyers? OH HECK NO!
ATF already can do that to the point of the first retail sale by a dealer. While you think it valuable, nearly everyone else would think it intrusive.


Horsehockey. You buy the gun, not the story. I don't care how many previous owners that gun had or what they did to the gun.....I'll either choose to buy/not buy based on what I'm holding in my hands.



False premise. Your system wouldn't add a bit of reliability or boost consumer perception of any product. There's ths thing called the internets or enterwebs where gun collectors, shooters, hunters and others freely discuss the issues great and small of every firearm ever manufactured. Your NFT tag isn't going to change that.

Thanks for your feedback and taking the time to structure it.
somethings I wanted to reply to are
1:All firearms have been required to have serial#'s since 1968. Using NFT's to track information as to previous buyers? OH HECK NO!
-- so there is no tracking of owners personal information. It would only list an owner count i.e 3 previous owners. No addresses, no names, no phone numbers are recorded.

2:ATF already can do that to the point of the first retail sale by a dealer.
--True, the ATF can do that, But why do we want the government involved at all. This project takes a libertarian approach by removing the government and keeping private citizens information private. In time the project would run entirely by its self and could potentially be managed by groups of users, like the people here in this forum.

3:I don't care how many previous owners that gun had or what they did to the gun
You wouldn't want to know if the gun was owned by more people than its years of existence? this could help prevent you from buying a gun that jams up every 3rd round which is why it might have been sold, to get rid of the problem. If internal components of the gun were poorly made, prone to break, or even premature wear, you can expect that the accuracy and reliability will be compromised. You'd be buying a lemon. Now with that said thats more of a concern to me the you buy used guns online. Most reputable used gun marketplace will offer buyer protection, but only up to $500.00, and they'll charge you a $100 deductible. so you only get $400 dollars. So I would disagree, I believe the story matters in this scenario.

Thanks again for your reply,

 

[GunChon112]

I don't know or understand your abbreviations . I don't like or understand your idea. If you or anyone wants any sort of information about me or my firearms, they'll have to give me a very good reason to comply - it would probably have to start with peeling my eyelids off and putting flaming bamboo under my fingernails. Never gonna happen.

short and sweet, works for me. thanks

 

[GunChon112]

Ugh. We need more face-to-face, not less.

I agree 100%. But thats not the way the future is heading unfortunately.

 

[DocRock]

I get it. Good technology. Bad market.

Products,and services, move when there is either unmet demand, or the marketer can spend enough money to create a demand.

As you can see, there is no demand for the product/service. And, as they say in sales, if you're explaining, you're losing. Unless, the exact same technology and platform is extremely successful in other high margin markets, the spend required to create demand is not commensurate with the potential value of the market.

I worked with one of the most iconic brands of the 20th Century, and several other nearlies. As one of the old marketing gurus so crudely explained to me about selling a product to guys: " Will it somehow increase the chances of them getting laid? Will it turn into a blow-job and a pizza at 2:00am? If you can't credibly market it as one or the other, let someone else do the hard work, cuz there's no money in it. "

 

[DocRock]

I get it. Good technology. Bad market.

Products,and services, move when there is either unmet demand, or the marketer can spend enough money to create a demand.

As you can see, there is no demand for the product/service. And, as they say in sales, if you're explaining, you're losing. Unless, the exact same technology and platform is extremely successful in other high margin markets, the spend required to create demand is not commensurate with the potential value of the market.

I worked with one of the most iconic brands of the 20th Century, and several other nearlies. As one of the old marketing gurus so crudely explained to me about selling a product to guys: " Will it somehow increase the chances of them getting laid? Will it turn into a blow-job and a pizza at 2:00am? If you can't credibly market it as one or the other, let someone else do the hard work, cuz there's no money in it. "

 

[GunChon112]

I'm a software developer and have a thorough understanding of NFTs, blockchain, etc. They are trending right now and people are fishing for markets to apply them to so they can cash in as part of the next wave.

In terms of applying NFTs to firearms, I not only consider it unneeded and unwanted, I would actively oppose it.

You're right when you say they aren't needed, but as a software developer don't you understand the concept of constant improvement? We don't need new PC's or mobile phones but we get them because people like improvements. Do you work in a FAB, possibly in the NW?
Also, just like the internet boom crypto is the next wave, you are correct again. Personally it excites me, I love capitol growth within our country and the ability to do it is what make America so great, would you not agree?

 

[DocRock]

You're right when you say they aren't needed, but as a software developer don't you understand the concept of constant improvement? We don't need new PC's or mobile phones but we get them because people like improvements. Do you work in a FAB, possibly in the NW?
Also, just like the internet boom crypto is the next wave, you are correct again. Personally it excites me, I love capitol growth within our country and the ability to do it is what make America so great, would you not agree?

Capitol growth is perhaps the greatest domestic challenge to our society. It has greatly damaged America and I hate it.

 

[GunChon112]

I get it. Good technology. Bad market.

Products,and services, move when there is either unmet demand, or the marketer can spend enough money to create a demand.

As you can see, there is no demand for the product/service. And, as they say in sales, if you're explaining, you're losing. Unless, the exact same technology and platform is extremely successful in other high margin markets, the spend required to create demand is not commensurate with the potential value of the market.

I worked with one of the most iconic brands of the 20th Century, and several other nearlies. As one of the old marketing gurus so crudely explained to me about selling a product to guys: " Will it somehow increase the chances of them getting laid? Will it turn into a blow-job and a pizza at 2:00am? If you can't credibly market it as one or the other, let someone else do the hard work, cuz there's no money in it. "

Thanks for that reply, I learned a lot from it. I especially like the comment "if you're explaining, you're losing." Never heard that before and it makes damn good sense. As for the project, we have some grants in place to help start the project, but if my market research doesn't show any promise then, well it is what it is.

 

[DocRock]

Thanks for that reply, I learned a lot from it. I especially like the comment "if you're explaining, you're losing." Never heard that before and it makes damn good sense. As for the project, we have some grants in place to help start the project, but if my market research doesn't show any promise then, well it is what it is.

Well, if it's of any help, the other thing the old guy told me that stuck was "And don't listen to anybody. Everybody else is a moron".

It's not a 100%, but it's been more right than wrong

 

[GunChon112]

1. A tracking system....No thanks.

2. A system that relies on persons being honest about the condition of a firearm and what they’ve done to it to modify it....Thats usually in the description of the firearm being sold.

Use any modern technological terminology you want. At the end of the day, and by your own admission, it’s a tracking system. And you chose the wrong group to make that pitch to.

This forum is 100x more of a tracking system. In here you have a username, a profile, email, probably tons of comments displaying a snapshot of your personality type. It shows when you post and from that I can determine the time based on analysis that you'd most likely post again meaning you are probably home during those hours. But you think my design is a tracking system? it only records the most simple of information. it DOES NOT report names, addresses, usernames, emails.

 

[Sovblocgunfan]

Thanks for your feedback. Unfortunately for myself and


Thanks for your feedback and taking the time to structure it.
somethings I wanted to reply to are
1:All firearms have been required to have serial#'s since 1968. Using NFT's to track information as to previous buyers? OH HECK NO!
-- so there is no tracking of owners personal information. It would only list an owner count i.e 3 previous owners. No addresses, no names, no phone numbers are recorded.

[Sorry, this doesn’t hold water with me. If you know there were 3 previous owners then you CAN know who they are. And at some point, previous owner information will be added as “required” when the scope creeps in that direction. To gun owners, some of whom have already had their private information posted in public places by nefarious actors, this looks like a sucker bet.]

2:ATF already can do that to the point of the first retail sale by a dealer.
--True, the ATF can do that, But why do we want the government involved at all. This project takes a libertarian approach by removing the government and keeping private citizens information private. In time the project would run entirely by its self and could potentially be managed by groups of users, like the people here in this forum.

[It’ll take about 2 hot seconds for the government to require access to this database once they discover its existence. “For public safety”. Sorry, kindly pound sand. There is no conceivable way the government will want to let this effort run on its own accord without interference from it.]

3:I don't care how many previous owners that gun had or what they did to the gun
You wouldn't want to know if the gun was owned by more people than its years of existence?
[couldn’t care less].

this could help prevent you from buying a gun that jams up every 3rd round which is why it might have been sold, to get rid of the problem.

[that is going to happen anyway, with or without this system, and NFT’s arent going to help me determine whether the gun has a problem or not]

If internal components of the gun were poorly made, prone to break, or even premature wear, you can expect that the accuracy and reliability will be compromised. You'd be buying a lemon.

[The system you are proposing would be unable to address “lemons” in any way. Guns are not cars, and guns dont make regular trips to the dealer for service. Lemons are created by people who mess with their guns. NFT’s cannot address that.]

Now with that said thats more of a concern to me the you buy used guns online. Most reputable used gun marketplace will offer buyer protection, but only up to $500.00, and they'll charge you a $100 deductible. so you only get $400 dollars. So I would disagree, I believe the story matters in this scenario.

[Wrong. The story doesn’t matter one bit. And gun marketplaces don’t offer buyer protection as you describe. Nearly all of them practice “all sales final” philosophies. And individuals, which form an overwhelming majority of the secondary market point of sale, are under no obligation to offer any sort of buyer protection. Your system as proposed cannot possibly address “buyer protection” for firearms. It largely doesn’t exist.]

Thanks again for your reply,

I added comments in the quotation above. Frankly, I see absolutely no reason why this system as proposed would be beneficial for firearms sales. It is an answer to a question no one asked. And it would be too simple to ignore. Let me put it to you this way:

you’ve mentioned this would be similar to carfax. I own a vehicle that has a carfax history. But I don’t report ANY of the things I do to my vehicle to carfax. Nor does anybody else. It’s an older vehicle and high mileage. Who cares about carfax? Any potential buyer knows it will need work. It’s obvious. I couldn’t care less about carfax in this case. Why would used guns be any different?

OP, you’re going to find an incredible amount of pushback on this. Not to sound harsh, but I hope your project dies a quick death, not to be seen again.

 

[GunChon112]

I added comments in the quotation above. Frankly, I see absolutely no reason why this system as proposed would be beneficial for firearms sales. It is an answer to a question no one asked. And it would be too simple to ignore. Let me put it to you this way:

you’ve mentioned this would be similar to carfax. I own a vehicle that has a carfax history. But I don’t report ANY of the things I do to my vehicle to carfax. Nor does anybody else. It’s an older vehicle and high mileage. Who cares about carfax? Any potential buyer knows it will need work. It’s obvious. I couldn’t care less about carfax in this case. Why would used guns be any different?

OP, you’re going to find an incredible amount of pushback on this. Not to sound harsh, but I hope your project dies a quick death, not to be seen again.

Thanks for your reply.

 

[GunChon112]

This is one tough crowd, haha. Nonetheless I appreciate the Mods and admins allowing me to post this here and all the surprising support I received.

 

[DrDeFab]

You're right when you say they aren't needed, but as a software developer don't you understand the concept of constant improvement? We don't need new PC's or mobile phones but we get them because people like improvements. Do you work in a FAB, possibly in the NW?
Also, just like the internet boom crypto is the next wave, you are correct again. Personally it excites me, I love capitol growth within our country and the ability to do it is what make America so great, would you not agree?

I'm all about constant improvement. I also understand we don't always get it. My last few phones have all gotten better as a computer, camera, microphone, etc. but as voice phones they are all actually worse than my '96 StarTac.

(FWIW, I work in cloud analytics on the east coast. Soft real-time IoT data streams to feed machine learning, that sort of thing. I did once tour the Texas Instruments Dallas DFAB plant back when I was an IT intern with them, but that is strictly a coincidence - the nickname comes from my tendency to take everything apart.)

I have nothing against NFTs in general - as a musician, I can see some interesting applications in digital media. But trying to force-fit them to any physical commodity, and especially this one, is in no way an improvement.

Good technology. Bad market.

This. Very much this.

 

[herrwalther]

Maybe it is just my "tinfoil" hat saying this, but the less "connected" my firearms are, the better. Read the privacy policy of anything electronic these days, you have none when you hit agree.

 

[Ignition Override]

OP: I'm somewhat skeptical of who you actually work for.

Some of that high tech you describe (because I'm dense: Slingblade "emoji") is less transparent than our new, opaque White House regime. As clear as the brackish waters where cottonmouth snakes slither in the goop.

Our stale old joke was "I'm with the FAA and I'm here to help you". Think about it.

A) A list of my guns is on a piece of paper; serial numbers, approx. values etc. Yes, Young Digital Skywalker, a piece of 8.5" X 11" paper.

B) A safe deposit box in a bank is much better for this paper info list than anything digital, and maybe a hundred times easier. >> Isn't life complicated enough? <<<