I'm such a sucker for gimmicks (Tippmann's C3)

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It seems every damn time I visit Ebay, I end up buying something I don't need. Sometimes it's an Eskilstuna straight razor, or another 500 lead SWCs of some caliber I already have a couple thousand bullets for waiting to be loaded while collecting dust... there's always something. My last visit a week ago was no exception.

I've always wanted a paintball "marker", but never liked the idea compressed air tanks.
From my understanding, they typically last 1,000 shots before needing to be recharged. The CO2 models are also supposedly affected by the temperature; the colder it is, the slower the velocity. Pooey.

When I saw a paintball gun that used propane combustion (Whooo Hooo) to fling a paintball, I was intrigued. After reading the specs, I was hooked. With a dirt-cheap 16oz propane cannister easily found at department stores, one could fire up to 50,000 shots. I'd suspect this would drop to circa 35,000 shot at full power (310 FPS), though still an insane amount of paintballs.

The marker operates by pump-action, which clears the combustion chamber of any exhaust from the previous shot, draws in fresh air and injects some propane which is then ignited by the spark of an ignition coil powered by any readily available AAA cell battery. It's fairly slick in my book! Even makes as a neato noise maker when pumped and fired sans paintballs. With propane cannisters at roughly $2-$3 a pop, I don't feel guilty when doing this, especially since you can squeeze up to 50K shots from each one (this still boggles my mind).

I received it yesterday and made a hell of a mess in the basement. Who knew zapping objects with paintballs could be so much fun.

I'm not (yet) a paintballer, but I did want to chime in my appreciation for paintball innovation!

Here's the slick puppy, photo by "Famousguy" (whom I purchased from and can attest to being a safe merchant to deal with):
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Hmmmmm.... I see lots of possiblities with this little gizmo. Anyone say Logan's Run? Some lightweight compressed magnesium balls with a compressed thermite core....:evil: Benevolent self cauterizing wounds.
 
thats pretty neat, now i want one. thanks for helping me find ways to blow my money :p ive been paintballing a few times and its great fun. i wish i was able to play more often.

one thing ive noticed with co2 guns is they say you can fire 1,000 rounds but after a few hundred velocity starts falling off. plus, as you stated, the temperature does decrease velocity.

hopefully they will come out with a semi-auto version soon. thats what i prefer to use.
 
What does the BATFE think of it? Seems to me that it's a firearm...

Third Rail, that's a good question.
Without any research, I wouldn't think this paint marker is any more of a "firearm" than the Remington 1858 .44 caliber Pietta cap & ball revolver that was, as the Tippmann C3, shipped straight to my door without any paperwork or FFL involvement. However, the 1858 revolver can put a .454 caliber swaged round ball through a man's brain to put him 6' under with the ease of any modern made handgun, whereas the C3 cannot.

As far as I know, the cap and ball revolver, along with most of the muzzle loaders out there are not considered firearms by the BATFE that would require special shipping and transfer considerations.

But just to satisfy a curiousity, I did a brief search and found the following:

From http://warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/tippmann/C3/ I found this:

Another consideration of the new PEP power source is legality. On Internet discussion forums many have speculated that the use of combustion as a power source would cause the C3 to be classified as a firearm, and subject it to firearm laws. When asked about this, Tippmann’s public relations consultant provided the following the following statement, "The C3 Marker is not deemed a firearm because propane is not considered an explosive under federal law and because its intended use is for sporting goods purposes only and therefore not a ‘destructive device.’ Local laws do vary, however if a city or state allows the sale of a CO2 marker, than the C3 marker should be available for sale because it has the same functionality and performance characteristics of an existing paintball marker."


I'm fairly certain the BATFE has no interest in classifying this marker as a firearm. I would think the black powder muzzle loaders (designed to kill) would be the next on the legal chopping block before a paintball gun (designed to splat paint). But then, much of what the BATFE's decisions don't make much sense either.

I would be tempted to buy a semi or full-auto version of that uses propane, but I'm making a heck of a mess with the one I've already got. :eek: :D
 
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Good enough - if there's legal precedent for propane actuated projectile launchers not being firearms, then I'm going to design some things and see what I come up with.

I may still send a letter to the BATFE and get it in writing, though.


Just because it makes sense that they'd classify muzzleloaders first doesn't mean they will. :D
 
The C3 doesn't fire "fixed ammo".

It would fall under the same stroke of the pen that combustion powered potato cannons did many moons ago - Just smaller. You have the same four basic factors: Separate ammo and fuel, no primer ignition, gaseous fuel (no powder), and utter non-lethality.

See also this: http://www.spudfiles.com/Other/are_they_legal.php
 
Yeah, my son & I took up paintball last summer. It can be a lot of fun as long as you remember it's just a game!
Congrats on the new acquisition & have fun
 
I was just thinking that this design could be much improved with a rechargable battery and a fan like on a butane nail gun. That way it could be full or semi auto rather that having to pump it.
 
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