IMR 4895 or Hodgdon 4895?

[Welding Rod]

Why would you pick one over the other for 30-06 and 308?

 

[blarby]

I would pick H because its usually more avaible than I- thats the only reason.

While not identical, they are eerily similar.

I have, and use, both.

 

[rcmodel]

Same here.

I have used IMR-4895 since I started reloading 30-06 in 1962..

But H-4895 is generally easier to find, maybe.

rc

 

[punk427]

See I've been just the opposite. I've used both, and have had the same excellent results with both powders, but IMR is easier for me to get my hands on than H, so I've always worked more with IMR powders than H. And as already said, there not identical, but very close. and its been awhile sence I used the H4895 but I bealive its a bit bulkier than the IMR...? I think it takes up a little more case space.

 

[oldpapps]

Use them both and don't see much difference between them. They are both very good. No, I don't use the same data, that is somewhat different.

I would go with what you have locally and at the best price.

Load with care.

 

[Haxby]

I picked IMR 4895 because that's what they had when I ran out of Varget. Works very well.

 

[kelbro]

Is the IMR4895 considered an 'extreme' powder like the H4895? I know that the IMR4831 and IMR4350 are not. They are made in different factories and have different formulations than their 'H' counterparts. Just close on the burn charts.

 

[rcmodel]

Is the IMR4895 considered an 'extreme' powder

I guess it was 'extreme' enough to fight & win WWII from the south pacific heat & rain, to 30,000 feet over Europe at 40 below zero, and then Korea in sub-zero winter snow & ice.

Seems good enough for my use.

Gets that cold or hot while I'm hunting or shooting?

I'm gonna take my ball and go home!!!

rc

 

[cfullgraf]

I prefer H4895 for 30-06 over IMR4895 but really do not have any good reasons.

i have a load established for IMR4895 so if I cannot find H4895, I can easily transition to IMR4895.

To get the same velocity from my M1 Garand, the powder charges are different between IMR4895 and H4895.

It has been more than a year since i loaded any 308 Winchester so i forget what I am using there, probably W748 and I have slept since then. That is what reloading records are for and it is all properly recorded.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I use H over I because the H seems to generate less pressure but deliver the same velocities. Granted, it's only slightly less pressure but IMO, every little bit helps on an old shoulder like mine! lol

 

[4895]

I've always thought that IMR powders generated less recoil than other rifle powders. I have imr 4895 on hand because I could find it. I prefer to use H4895 as it can be downloaded safely for young shooters and lead bullets. YMMV.

 

[Jim Watson]

Canadian made IMR 4895 is not an Extreme powder partly because it is not made to the same formulation as Australian sourced H 4895; and mostly because Extreme is a Hodgdon advertising slogan. Even though Hodgdon distributes both, they maintain separate product identities.

H 4895 is not the only powder usable in reduced loads.
Long ago, DuPont advertised IMR 4895 as usable down to 3/5 of standard. Just like H 4895 now.

 

[rcmodel]

and mostly because Extreme is a Hodgdon advertising slogan.

This!!!!

rc

 

[caster]

H4895 and IMR4895 are now identical per Dave at Hodgdon.

Before Hodgdon bought out IMR, IMR 4895 was a DuPont product, made in Canada. Since Hodgdon bought out IMR, you will notice Hodgdon has discontinued H4895 and now sells only IMR4895.

What is currently sold as IMR4895 is actually made by ADI in Australia, imported by St Marks in Florida, same as H4895 has always been.

Hodgdon marketing gurus decided the brand name IMR4895 was more in demand, and some have always considered H4895 a knockoff so the marketing name H4895 was eliminated from the marketing lineup, repackaged in (purple label) IMR4895 packaging and the rest is history.

Before anyone jumps in and disputes this, keep in mind DuPont (Canadian) manufactured IMR4895 is NOT the same as ADI manufactured (Australian) H4895. IMR4895 manufactured in Australia (by ADI) is. Call Hodgdon, ask for the lab and verify for yourself.

Check the origin of your powder by checking the label on the container, and as always work up ANY load instead of blindly using data from any unverified source.

 

[blarby]

^^^ thats interesting.

I wonder if my kegs are now "vintage".

if so, $300 each- first in line gets one !

I have a feeler out to Hodgdon to confirm, I'll see what turns up !

 

[Sport45]

I wound up using AA2495 since neither of the 4895's were available when I was looking...

 

[cfullgraf]

H4895 and IMR4895 are now identical per Dave at Hodgdon.

Interesting.

The Hodgdon web site MSDS sheets still show the two powders made in different countries by different companies but they are dated 2009.

 

[USSR]

Have always used surplus IMR4895. Bought the last of it 7 or 8 years ago for $78 per 8# cannister.

Don

 

[Lj1941]

Hasn't this old horse just about been beaten to death?

 

[Jim Watson]

No, caster's announcement was news to me.

I know that Hodgdon was messing with IMR/H powder codes in the 4227 and 4198 range, and had introduced Trail Boss under the IMR label even though it is an ADI product; but was not aware that they had screwed up 4895.

Although I doubt St Marks (once Olin, now General Dynamics) did the importing. I figure the H powders came in direct to Hodgdon for distribution.

And DuPont has been out of the powder business for years. The Explo plant in Canada is now owned by General Dynamics, too.

 

[Slamfire]

Caster: Thanks for the information.

After shooting H4895 and finding that is was one of those "advanced powders" I was of the opinion that if it was the same price, I would buy H4895.

Now I guess it does not matter.

 

[blarby]

Apparently, Dave at hodgdon has a different tune today :

"There is no truth to any rumor that H4895 is going to be discontinued. We continue to market both H4895 and IMR 4895 and they are not the same powder.

Dave Campbell
Customer Service
Hodgdon Powder Co.
6430 Vista Drive
Shawnee, KS 66218
913-362-9455 Ext. 117
[email protected]"

 

[kerreckt]

I have used both but get my best accuracy using IMR4895.

 

[frankenstein406]

So just double checking, Canadian made imr 4895 is good to go with the same reloading data?


The Australian stuff would be h4895?

 

[sfchemist]

H4895 and IMR4895 are now identical per Dave at Hodgdon.

Before Hodgdon bought out IMR, IMR 4895 was a DuPont product, made in Canada. Since Hodgdon bought out IMR, you will notice Hodgdon has discontinued H4895 and now sells only IMR4895.

What is currently sold as IMR4895 is actually made by ADI in Australia, imported by St Marks in Florida, same as H4895 has always been.

Hodgdon marketing gurus decided the brand name IMR4895 was more in demand, and some have always considered H4895 a knockoff so the marketing name H4895 was eliminated from the marketing lineup, repackaged in (purple label) IMR4895 packaging and the rest is history.

Before anyone jumps in and disputes this, keep in mind DuPont (Canadian) manufactured IMR4895 is NOT the same as ADI manufactured (Australian) H4895. IMR4895 manufactured in Australia (by ADI) is. Call Hodgdon, ask for the lab and verify for yourself.

Check the origin of your powder by checking the label on the container, and as always work up ANY load instead of blindly using data from any unverified source.

According to ADI Powders they are the same:
http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders-guide/equivalents.asp