In America, you shoot Wolf .45acp ammo...

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But in Russia, Wolf ammo shoots you!

Anyway, the first 100 rounds of good 'ole Wolf .45ACP went through my 4566TSW no problems at all. Well, maybe one.

I can't hit anything with it! On the same 25 ft target, the black is chewed out from my .22, and there are a bunch of big holes low, and to the left. I'm anticipating the noise/recoil, obviously (or the gun is not working right...yeah that's it) I even have the nice, Hogue rubber grips on it.

Any practical suggestions for curing the flinch? I shoot .38 and 9 fine, and even my .357 is better than this! I know people talk about .357 and .45 recoil as different, somehow. I wonder what oddity of my grip or hands seems to prefer one over the other. I've been dry firing, and it seems to be paying off with the revolver, as my SA groups aren't that much better than my DA groups (at least on the 25 ft slow targets).

Help! I like the idea of using a .45 for HD, instead of a 9, but not with the results I have so far!

Thanks for all advice.
 
All I can tell ya is concentrate on sight alignment and don't anticipate. I know it's tough, but it can be overcome. I went though it with .357 magnum many years ago. Just use good marksmanship skills and concentrate on sight alignment. You should be squeezing the trigger, but concentrating on sight alignment and breath control. The break of the trigger should surprise you. Don't anticipate it. I think you're probably jerking it. Just squeeze more and more until it breaks.

Another thing I did with the .357 is load a couple of chambers and spin the cylinder, close it without looking. Then, I'd shoot. If the gun didn't go off, most times I'd SEE the flinch. :banghead: If you don't know for sure when it's going to go BANG, you start to concentrate on the sights and anticipate the trigger less.

Another thing is to make sure you're gripping with enough force, wring that gun like you're wringing out a towel. That helps control. Also, lean INTO the gun, don't slump back away from it. Just do all the stuff the experts tell you to do. :D
 
relax, shoot your .22 more.. then shoot your .45 when you catch yourself flinching, switch back to the .22 you will notice that you will be flinching with the .22 and you do whatever to stop flinchin on the the .22 then switch back to the .45....
 
+1 on the .22 advice. The .22 is a great lifelong practice gun and will serve you well in this instance, always has for me, too.
Josh
 
Have you guys ever shoot wolf in 45?? You don't need no 22! That ammo shoots like a 22! I've shot it through my Glock 21 and HK USP 45.
Mild recoil compared to WWB plus with weird smell.
 
I had that problem, still do occasionally, and it was diagnosed as "jerking or slapping the trigger". I began To dry fire a LOT, concentrating on keeping the front sight steady through the pull. When I started, as I was concentrating on the front sight, sure enough, it was dipping low and to the left. With a lot of dry firing I have pretty well conquered it.
 
The most likely reason that you can't hit anything with Wolf ammo is just that. Most Wolf ammo is military surplus from eastern Europe, and from what i've seen, their pistol ammo isn't the best quality.
 
idahoberetta9000s said:
The most likely reason that you can't hit anything with Wolf ammo is just that. Most Wolf ammo is military surplus from eastern Europe, and from what i've seen, their pistol ammo isn't the best quality.
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Wolf ammo is not military surplus. It's steel-cased, Berdan-primed, cheaply manufactured ammo. It is not bad ammo. I shoot tons of .45 ACP Wolf through my 4506. It's not all that inaccurate.

No offense Shrinkmd, but I think you've got a flinch. What MCGunner said about loading a couple of cylinders and then spinning a revolver is good advice. When it doesn't fire, you'll "see" your flinch.

You can do the same thing with an auto but you need some help. Get someone to load your pistol for you, while you're not looking. Have him/her either put one in the pipe or not - but don't tell you. Then try to fire. If you have a flinch, it will become apparent to you. Then just focus your way through it.
 
Another good dry fire drill is a variation of the dime/washer drill used for rifles. Charge the pistol and take your shooting stance. Get a buddy/husband/wife/girlfriend/boyfriend to place a medium sized washer or quarter on the slide near the front sight. Go through your firing sequence and squeeze the trigger. The washer/quarter should remain in place. Practice this drill until your can go 10 consecutive iterations without dropping the washer/quarter. THe drill helps you focus on the all the fundamentals but really helps the most with trigger sqeeze.

Mike
 
I have only shot 2 mags worth of Wolf ammo through a buddy's gun & didn't much care for it :barf: Thankfully, I haven't made the mistake of spending my own $$ on that stuff!
 
One of the reasons I bought a used Glock 21 was to be able to use Wolf or S&B without worry.
Decent accuracy out to 25 yards, shoots soft, clean after.
 
Will practice...

I guess it's snap cap and dry fire big time with the auto.

At least I got it nice and clean afterward. That Hoppe's elite/mpro7 stuff seems to work well. I blasted some action degreaser spray into the firing pin channel and decocker, and put a little CLP on the trigger, other reachables. I tried to keep any oil out of the firing pin channel.

Is that the correct way? I have heard about oil/dirt getting clogged up in there and causing blockages...
 
First of all I went to an indoor range with my father in law and they checked our ammo with a magnet because steel rounds had beat the crap out of their back stop he had just bought a case of Wolf and they wouldnt let him shoot it. I am not 100% sure but I think they also use steel cases too. Wouldnt shoot it in any gun of mine.

lots of good info above if you have a group but it is not in the right place you may be pulling or pushing your shot this can be controled by your finger placement on your trigger. You dont want to have your finger sticking out to much or not enough if you do it will result in the pulling or pushing. If you have no real group follow advise above and practice.

Also strongly reccoment using dummy ammo. Let your range buddy mix a magazine of real ammo and dummy ammo.

One of the most important things to shooting well with any gun is trigger squeeze it has got to be smooth and you should not anticipate the shot one smooth continued squeeze. Think SQUEEZE not pull.:)

Good Luck
 
Yeah

I was doing some dry fire with it tonight, and I think I was doing better with DA than SA! I'm used to my revolver I think. It did get better with practice, though, and I felt I was really concentrating for a bit and felt the trigger coming straight back. Lo and behold the sights didn't move.

Love those snap caps.

On the subject of Wolf, it seemed to group OK. Every now and then one of the rounds smelled really bad though, like some prehistoric dinosaur poop or something.
 
There is a range report on the new Charles Daly 1911 in the Feb. issue of Gun's Magazine. To the best of my memory they tried 5 or 6 different loadings through this entry level 1911 and the Wolf 230 gr. FMJ shot groups in the low 2's at 25 yards. I think this was from a Ransom Rest so it took a bit of operator error myth from the test. This was about 1" better groups than the other ammo tested. I am not saying Wolf ammo is great and it would be my first choice but I was a bit taken aback when I saw the size of the groups shot with it. If I had large groups with a .45 ACP and Wolf ammo I would carefully check for some other possible causes based on the results printed in Guns Magazine and the Daly 1911.
 
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