In want of a striker fired 9mm polymer pistol. Which one?

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I am in possession of a PPQ and, after all the hype when it came out about how amazing it is, I just do not like it. I am admittedly a Glock guy, I didn't choose the Glock life, the Glock life chose me. I don't like the size or the Ergos of the PPQ and don't like how difficult it is to change the grips. And, I do not like the trigger which is a trigger that most seem to brag about.

If I were the OP, I would go with an FNS9C for the reasons mentioned and, I just want an FN manufactured firearm. Another option is the Ruger SR9E, you can almost buy two for the price of any of the other poly guns out there and IMO has an excellent trigger. I like it's trigger better than my G17 and the PPQ.

I must admit that I am intrigued by the VP9 though.
 
Have you considered a different cartridge in a gun similar to what you already have? I think that's the route I'm going next time I get the urge for a striker-fired gun - a G21 to complement my G17, or a VP45 (whenever it appears) to complement my VP9.

I have zero interest in getting into a different cartridge. I've already had a G20, G30SF, and G21SF. Past tense. I'm not venturing into stocking a different cartridge again for awhile.


PPQ has better ergos, better trigger, seemingly better accuracy than the VP9, costs a lot less too while being an all around better pistol.. at least in the ones ive shot.. the PPQ is the only polymer pistol id consider which says a lot as i generally dont like polymer

but if cost wasnt an issue id get an arsenal strike one

PPQ is also full size and I'm not looking to double up the hard to conceal, full size.
 
The range I went to today had an FNS-9c in the rental counter. Only one magazine, the 12 round with pinky extension. They did not have anything else I was interested in for rent, though there was a Sig P320 Compact 9mm in the new display case which I fondled. The trigger was...weird. I've read that it's different live fire but I could hardly feel anything at the break and the reset was just...it was weird. There was a full size .45 ACP also and it felt much more normal.

Anyway, I had a comparison with these:

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The FNS9c is a good little shooter. The trigger is decidedly different from the Glock...the "Glock wall" as people call it isn't there...it's a lighter break, but less crisp, with a short but less pronounced reset. I would not classify it as better or worse, just different. Not that different I guess, but yeah I think you know what I mean.

The rapid fire group was shot quite fast with a flash front sight picture. The group on the left was shot moderately quickly, sight picture, taking my time a little but not truly slow fire. Flyer was of course me. Each group is 12 rounds.

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Pretty good IMO...pretty good.
 
Not sure whether anything with the OP's criteria is going to feel much different than the G26, other than slight differences in triggers.
Maybe time for a custom trigger job, if possible?
 
Not sure whether anything with the OP's criteria is going to feel much different than the G26, other than slight differences in triggers.
Maybe time for a custom trigger job, if possible?

Lines may have been crossed...it doesn't need to feel much different than the Glocks. There are better triggers than the Glock, but I wouldn't mind if all of my pistol triggers were Glock triggers...because there are also much worse triggers lol. And because I am familiar with and accustomed to the Glocks.

If I could only have one gun, it would be a Glock 26. FWIW.
 
This video should seal the deal on the P320. It's very detailed, honest and thorough.

Great P320 Review

He uses some strong language, so probably not work appropriate.
 
PPQ is about the same dimensions as the glock 19, so it fits your "same, but different to the G19" comment

Too long in the grip.

Walther PPQ
Glock 19 Gen 3 w/ Grip Force Adapter
HK P30 V1
S&W M&P9

The Glock 19 is clearly shorter in the grip than the others, and to me that makes a big difference in carrying concealed.

Need something smaller

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Well, I don't think you'd go wrong with either the M&P or the Steyr. If you are a big "low bore axis" fan, then the Steyr is going to be your choice. The way the grip is designed it leaves the much touted Glock looking like a Sig P226 in the bore axis department. The grip on the M&P is adjustable with its various size backstraps but the grip of the Steyr is (at least for me) pretty decent as it is, even if it's not adjustable. What is going to be a big difference is that the M&P has more of a 1911 grip angle while the Steyr, like the Glock is more Lugerish in its feel. If you're not used to the difference in the angle, you will feel that the pistol points higher and will slow you down a little until you get used to it. However, once you are, the recoil I think is a little more manageable.
Moving on to the slide, one of the big differences is going to be the sights. The M&P uses a traditional 3-dot variety while the Steyr uses their own unique design. It's one of those love it or hate it affairs but I think once you start getting used to them, I found myself moving more into the love it camp. Reminds me of an ACOG scope reticle in a way. LOL However, if you don't like them, you can always swap them out with a conventional tritium version. As for the slide itself, the slide of the M&P is easier to grasp. due to the lower bore axis of the Steyr, it means the slide is a lot lower as well. I'd put it on par with the CZ-75 I think would be a close comparison. It's the price the design pays for the barrel sitting so low in the pistol.
Moving on to the frame, well, the Steyr with its bull nose isn't going to win many beauty pageants! LOL Another thing that I'm not thrilled about is the key lock. It's totally worthless to me but you need to depress the lock button in order to rotate the takedown lever. The M&P doesn't have this issue but really, it's not that difficult to deal with and how often are you going to be concerned with speed disassembly. The slide release is ambidextrous on the M&P but righty friendly only on the Steyr. Might be an issue or maybe not. I do think that the trigger on the Steyr is better than the M&P, especially the factory M&P trigger. An Apex trigger helps but also adds to the price tag. As for magazines, M&P mags are always going to be easier to come across but the Steyr magazines are excellent quality.
Now as far as function goes, I've never had a problem with the M&P. The Steyr had a few failures to eject with the first 200 rounds. I attribute this to a break in period though as the problem got less common as firing progressed and now it's not an issue. Just for good measure, I did add a cut down 1911 safety plunger spring inside the factory Steyr extractor for a little added tension and enhancing the grip the extractor exerts on the cartridge rim. But it's like I said, with the Steyr, there may be a break in period that I never had with the M&P.
Finally is the aftermarket support. Here is where the M&P blows the Steyr out of the water! While the M&P hasn't got to Glock proportions in this area(yet), the Steyr is a LOT more limited. Even holster selection for the Steyr is a bit more sketchy but I have gone with Blade Tech kydex holsters and have been quite happy with them. But if you are looking for something like threaded barrels and the like, the M&P is the natural choice here.
Really, I don't think there's a wrong answer for either one and it all comes down to what you prefer and what fits you better.
 
I would not overlook the Taurus PT111 G2. Its by far the best compact 9mm for the money if you ask me. The only thing I don't really like about it is the trigger breaks so far back. I never expected something so well made from Taurus but they got the PT111 G2 right.
 
Well, I think I found the first "that is unacceptable" potential issue with one of the pistols in consideration.

The Sig P320 double-click

Cliffs: On the P320's the trigger clicks twice when you pull it, once to release the striker and another time to reset the sear (or something like that)...on some pistols the two are so far apart that you can fire the gun, not pull the trigger farther back till it clicks again, reset the trigger, and get a dead trigger failure to fire.

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOeoGWuQg0

 
I should have known to only ask for sub-compact models approximately the size of a Glock 26 if I wanted to try to avoid full size duty pistols being recommended constantly lol
 
Walther made the P99c with their QA (quick-action) trigger if you're wanting more of a G26-like experience in a Walther. The QA trigger is decent, but nowhere near as nice as the P99 AS or PPQ triggers IMO.
 
So I bought an FNS9c, no manual safety, regular sights (I'll pick up Triicon HD night sights), for $479.95 + tax.

Deciding factors:

-Points like a Glock, shoots similarly enough to the Glocks and VP9 I can switch between them without issue
-Good grip texture, grippier than my Gen4 Glocks, definitely won't need Talon Grips or anything
-Size is perfectly in the middle of the G26 and G19 which is a fantastic carry size most of the time (12+1 capacity is good, and utilizes the size well)
-Good trigger, a little lighter than the Glocks, and a little smoother/more crisp too, but similar overall
-Comes with flush and pinky extension mags as well as 17 round mag with grip sleeve...will get more 12 round pinky mags
-FNH is a damn fine company, I have faith in them and their products
-Every user review I could find was positive, or "it's good even though I prefer different" at the absolute worst.


Drawbacks: Less holster/accessories/magazine availability than more mainstream big volume established options...but that's okay I have the Glocks, I don't need 20 mags for this gun or anything, there are holster manufacturers I will use that have it available, and Trijicon makes HD night sights for it.

Mags are expensive, even more than the HK. Oh well, I just won't have very many of them. This is another "if it was my only gun, or only gun around this size, I wouldn't get it" thing but as an additional gun it's fine.

The magazine release on all of them is a PITA. Mags are hard to get to drop, and often don't drop free. I've seen some supposed fixes for but lettuce be real tea, I don't usually carry a spare mag anyway...and even if I did the chances of needing it AND of the more difficult reload being a factor? I'm not sure, but they might be similar to the chances of accidentally dropping or unseating a mag if the mag release is too easy lol
 
Those are old videos, don't discount the M&P. 2012 and on are much improved. Dan
 
Those are old videos, don't discount the M&P. 2012 and on are much improved. Dan

I hold a grudge against companies that produce so darn many crap defensive firearms.

But I'll reconsider them next time I'm pistol shopping. Maybe/hopefully later in the year I'll be able to look for a single stack 9 (Shield/G43/LCP type)
 
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