Scooter22
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Thats great but he still might want to try the flat point style. For a buck or two to make one it's cheap too.
Increasing meplat surface area of .22lr
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someguy2800
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Test #2
This time I brought a third round into the mix, a winchester 37 gr HP. Velocity on this is advertised at 1330 compared to 1255 for the winchester 40gr. I made 11 more of what I will call the "Semi wad cutters" to test with.
I repeated the test on the pop cans full of water. Again the can basically slumped over after being shot with the round nose bullet and the water flew up a foot and a half or so. Results from the SWC and the HP were identical to my eyes. Water sprayed about 3 feet and the can flew about a foot in the air.
I also tested accuracy at 40 yards with my savage mark2 classic bolt gun, and at 20 yards with my buckmark. The buckmark fed all the rounds including the one on the can with no issue. I had two of the SWC rounds bind up slightly in the savage. I had to push up on the mag to get them to feed into the chamber.
There are some other random holes in the paper which were already there when I started.
In both the riffle and pistol, the filed bullets shot worse, though in both guns the unaltered bullets shot abysmally. This is just a random box of bullets I picked up somewhere.
By comparison the groups from the HP bullets are "so so" in both these guns. The buckmark will shoot 1 inch groups at 25 yards, and the savage will shoot 1 inch groups at 50 with some types of ammo.
For the time being I will stick to hollow points. This was a useful test for me because I usually hunt with round nose bullets. I didn't realise how much more shock a HP has in a 22lr.
This time I brought a third round into the mix, a winchester 37 gr HP. Velocity on this is advertised at 1330 compared to 1255 for the winchester 40gr. I made 11 more of what I will call the "Semi wad cutters" to test with.
I repeated the test on the pop cans full of water. Again the can basically slumped over after being shot with the round nose bullet and the water flew up a foot and a half or so. Results from the SWC and the HP were identical to my eyes. Water sprayed about 3 feet and the can flew about a foot in the air.
I also tested accuracy at 40 yards with my savage mark2 classic bolt gun, and at 20 yards with my buckmark. The buckmark fed all the rounds including the one on the can with no issue. I had two of the SWC rounds bind up slightly in the savage. I had to push up on the mag to get them to feed into the chamber.
There are some other random holes in the paper which were already there when I started.
In both the riffle and pistol, the filed bullets shot worse, though in both guns the unaltered bullets shot abysmally. This is just a random box of bullets I picked up somewhere.
By comparison the groups from the HP bullets are "so so" in both these guns. The buckmark will shoot 1 inch groups at 25 yards, and the savage will shoot 1 inch groups at 50 with some types of ammo.
For the time being I will stick to hollow points. This was a useful test for me because I usually hunt with round nose bullets. I didn't realise how much more shock a HP has in a 22lr.
ReloaderFred
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The .22 Hollow Point bullet is a nasty little devil when it impacts a target that will allow for hydraulic expansion. The traditional bullets are almost pure lead, which facilitates expansion even more. They're not to be discounted for putting small game down.
Hope this helps.
Fred
Hope this helps.
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someguy2800
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Two more data point to add to the fun. I have a few packages of "hot" 22lr that I keep stashed away for special occasions. One is a Winchester hyper velocity 40 gr hp, and the other is a CCI velocitor 40 gr hp. Both are advertised at 1435 FPS and appear to have a compressed load of powder. The CCI's shoot fantastic out of my buckmark, and the Winchesters shoot fantastic out of the savage. In a pistol the sound and recoil is similar to a light 38 special load.
The winchester through water in a 5 foot radius and jumped sideways about 2 feet.
notice how the dome on the bottom of the can was flattened.
The CCI also thorugh water in a 5 foot radius and it flew backwards about 3 feet.
The winchester through water in a 5 foot radius and jumped sideways about 2 feet.
notice how the dome on the bottom of the can was flattened.
The CCI also thorugh water in a 5 foot radius and it flew backwards about 3 feet.
Catpop
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Interesting about accuracy. Do you suppose point was not filed perfectly square? Wad cutters seem to be very accurate.
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ironworkerwill
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Interesting indeed. I think there is great potiential.
someguy2800
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that is most likely the case. If you could do it perfectly every time I think they would shoot just as well as any other bullet. I really don't think it worth the effort if a pop can is any indication.
Buck13
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You should shoot that can of insect repellent with one. That would make an entertaining mess. 
Here's a system if you like working with good quality tools.
http://ukvarminting.com/forums/topic/29602-new-accurizer-die-for-22lr/
http://ukvarminting.com/forums/topic/29602-new-accurizer-die-for-22lr/
Absolutly. I surely think a lead 22LR will dispatch a squirrel. Heck how many squirrels and other "fury" critters did we kill as kids with Crossman Pellet guns.
el indio
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Check sportsmansguide.com, thay had a set to drill 22's and 7.62x25 Tokarev. It's been a while since a saw the ad. Hope this helps.
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ironworkerwill
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1066 linked to a tool that I think would be the best of both worlds. Using the mechanical stop of a reloading press, molding the nose, and increasing the bullet diameter slightly. All the while knowing that bullet weight will not be altered.
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ironworkerwill
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the left column is unaltered and the right is drilled. ReloaderFred gave me a tool to drill hollow points in solid point 22 lr ammo. So far there is no evidence of diminished accuracy. All groups were standing, 50 yards, rifle is a Ruger American, and all rounds were fired unsupported. *open sights!The largest group was the federal drilled and the smallest was win m22 unaltered. Shooter error seems to play a bigger role than alterations. At least at 50 Yds. My next group to post will be a Savage MKII Tr at the rifle range.
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someguy2800
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Your a hell of a lot better offhand shot than me!
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ironworkerwill
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They are all about 2'' or so. The Savage MkII TR shoots 1.25'' @ 100yds with Remington golden bullets. I figure if there is an alignment error caused by the drill not being square to the center-line the Savage will find it.
But so far, for squirrel hunting purposes, I don't see a problem.
Maybe today if I can get home and have enough daylight, I'll test through some wet news paper. I'll try drilled and unaltered then compare that to the cci Mini-mags.
But so far, for squirrel hunting purposes, I don't see a problem.
Maybe today if I can get home and have enough daylight, I'll test through some wet news paper. I'll try drilled and unaltered then compare that to the cci Mini-mags.
jmorris
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I machined what would essentially amount to a short casegauge to do what your doing there. We were looking for accuracy at extended range (from 100-300 yds) more than anything else and it didn't pan out for that, I think my friend took it with him to test out the utility of it at closer ranges.
If you are looking for a bullet that expands a lot, might see if you can find some Remington CBee22. It is not a long range round by any means but I have killed more than a half dozen armadillos with them and never used more than one shot. Should be just fine for tree rats.
If you are looking for a bullet that expands a lot, might see if you can find some Remington CBee22. It is not a long range round by any means but I have killed more than a half dozen armadillos with them and never used more than one shot. Should be just fine for tree rats.
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Sport45
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If your gun will feed them, try .22 short. My grandpa used to swear by them. Where the .22lr would pass through a squirrel and may leave it dead in the tree, he said a .22 short would knock them off the branch.
I don't know if .22 short is available in stores now as I haven't needed to look for them in years.
I don't know if .22 short is available in stores now as I haven't needed to look for them in years.
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ironworkerwill
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Yeah, I like shorts, subsonics too! When the subsonic bullets hit, you'll hear the "whap" of the impact.
Almost all on my .22lr shooting for pest control is with subsonic hollow point and a sound moderator - Eley sub HP's seem to give me the best balance of accuracy and expansion when used with my Sako Finnfire.
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ironworkerwill
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2 shots on the left are drilled federal, 2 center are unmodified fed, and the 2 on the right are cci mini mags
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ironworkerwill
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My picture didn't load properly. But, the above picture shows a 1'' thick bridal magazine that had been soaked in water. It shows the hollow pointer (drilled federal left) is on par with the higher velocity Mini Mags(far right) with the standard solids in the center. Only two shots each
Since I cannot seem to get my tablet to cooperate, this is a rendition of the device used to create the hollow points. It was sold by Eabco but is no longer available.
Since I cannot seem to get my tablet to cooperate, this is a rendition of the device used to create the hollow points. It was sold by Eabco but is no longer available.
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Kerf
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ironworkerwill -
here is a posted thread from a few years ago regarding the Paco Kelly device, which if you read it through, is quite interesting, with photos and targets and other ideas.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=134161&highlight=acu'rzr
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here is a posted thread from a few years ago regarding the Paco Kelly device, which if you read it through, is quite interesting, with photos and targets and other ideas.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=134161&highlight=acu'rzr
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